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My point also was that GOD knows all things so if the son and the holy spirit are separate persons from the father then they are not all knowing like the father is.
That could be a translation problem since it is doubtful that Jesus spoke Greek but most likely spoke Aramean. I believe the context suggests experience but you can't hang your hat on this when there is contrary evidence.
so do you believe in the trinity or what do you believe in?
Here is the traditional belief in the trinity, which is why I am confused in your position
Just had to mention this very quickly:
I believe in the Trinity the way the Bible describes it.
1. According to the theory of plurality with the word elohim the anytime the word is used in that tense it signifies plurality. Exodus 7:1 YHWH tells moses I have made you elohim to pharaoh. Does that signify plurality?God is one in being and 3 in person.
A being is that quality or that essence what makes you what you are, a person is that quality, or that essence that makes you, whom you are. For example, what I am is a human being, and who I am is JakofHearts.
The being = I am a human being
The person = I am JakofHearts
We are human beings and we share that, but none of you share essentially the type of person that I am. We are all different persons.
So the characteristic of a being is very different of a person. I am one being with one person, God is one being with three persons – Father, Son, and Spirit. Is there anything like that on this earth? No. But with God all things are possible; not only that but there is a revelation in the trinity – we see the deeper truths of God’s nature, of what does it mean to be the father?, what does it mean to be the son?, what does it mean to be the Spirit? These are different roles in the trinity and often times people see the terms Son and exert inferiority to the Son. There are scriptures that show this, “For my father is greater than I.” John 14:28.
For example, my father is the CEO of his company and I am under him, he’s at the top. In that sense he is greater than I am, but he is a human being just as I am and we are of the same blood. So my father’s being is essentially equal to mine. He’s a human being and I am a human being, we are equal in that sense; but his role is greater than mine, and for him to be greater makes me subordinate to him.
When Jesus says “The father is greater than I”, the being is equal but the role is different. And this is how the Trinity all comes into focus when we read the Bible.
Some people say that the trinity is not present in the old testament. They say that this was something new that Christians came up with. I disagree. When we understand the New Testament and Jesus Christ’s teachings about his father and the Holy Spirit we begin to see the Old Testament with more clarity, and we begin to see the Trinity and the depth of His being.
Genesis 1:1 “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
Lets take that back in Hebrew, “Elohim created”. Elohim is plural meaning “gods”, then ‘created’ treats Elohim as singular, so in the first verse of the Bible we see plurality and singularity in the Godhead. And another example in Genesis chapter 1, God the creator refers to Himself as “us”. How can God refer to Himself plurally? God says, Let “us” create man in “our” image. God created man in “His” image. (Gen 1:26 & 3:22) There is plurality and singularity used interchangeably multiple times in the Godhead.
In the Shema this is what the Jews recite twice a day:
A very profound proclamation in a world of polytheism to be found. But that one word, “Echad” is not used to describe a singularity. For example, it is used to describe a cluster of grapes – you would refer to the entire cluster as one cluster; that is what the word “Echad” means. So even in the Shema we have shades of the Trinity.
The Trinity is clarified through the person of Jesus, and it explains so much of what happens in the gospel. I think the Trinity is one of the most beautiful teachings about the depth of God’s character and how He is unlike anything in this universe.
By simply reading the context of Exodus 7:1, God said to Moses He will make him like "a god" to pharoah. There is no mention of interchangeability between God (YHWH) and Moses like what we have with Jesus and God, only that God made Moses "like a god". I tend to use the KJV when dealing with theology.
If we comprehend, When Jesus says “The father is greater than I”, the being is equal but the role is different. I know this may seem difficult to understand at first because of the rather simplified formula to explain a being beyond comprehension, but there are understandable reasons.
These questions here don't inherently contradict the trinity when you have a deeper understanding of what the trinity is. We cannot comprehend it, but we can logically explain how God's nature far exceeds our comprehensions. I'll link you to a video that attempts to explain this in detail which you may find informative on understanding a being 4th dimensional being in a 3rd dimensional reality. It's rather easy to understand than it sounds. Also, the prophecy of the church of Philadelphia is known to be cryptic but I think Jesus speaks plainly and in 3rd person about his second coming. I personally need to educate myself more on Revelation.
Well if you look at the hebrew exodus 7:1 punch this in on google Edodus 7:1 in hebrew text analysis, then you can see the clickable hebrew words. Bible hub.
not once did they bring up a scripture to prove the trinitarian god.
Because before the foundation of the world it was decided that that is exactly how would redeem a fallen race of humans powerless to save themselves. Prior prophets pointed to a future incarnation and later prophets pointed back to the incarnation. Asking why God did a thing a certain way is not an argument that he didn't. That and because he wanted to. What argument do you have that God could in fact not do as he himself wished to? You need to get a new God if the one you have cannot do as he wishes, you need to trade him in for a more capable and less self contradictory one.
Regarding Exodus 7:1 context is important which you tend to shy away from here. I'm all for Hebrew text as I as well accommodate it into my understandings about God's word. For example I am commonly engaged with questions regarding the moral aspects about the Bible which I'm sure you also have confronted. I'm not sure where you stand on the issue but for me I do consider the Bible to be the inspired, infallible, authoritative Word of God. One example would be "thou shall not kill", yet with understanding the Hebrew text we get "thou shall not murder", and the reasons behind it. Point is, using the tools we have at our disposal to understand the what's, and why's, and who's and how's we can interpret things more openly from the acquired angles given. And perhaps a better understanding of the bigger picture.
What I am telling you is common sense, a child could understand: