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Interesting, your OPINIONS are dog dropping's without evidence. Where is your EVIDENCE that Paul was a hellenist ?Your "logic" is just your method of thinking, nothing more. So, your method of thinking leads you to make statements as facts, facts without evidence, based upon the convolutions of your mind, dog droppings. Actually, Paul was the ultimate Jew, a Jew not captured by religious arrogance and parochialism, a Jew who knew that the Messiah had come for the world, a Jew totally in harmony with God., Your statement re the law show's your inability to grasp the fundamentals of Christianity. re the law........ Christ made it absolutely clear that Judaism and it's followers did not and could not keep the law. He also called a Gentile Roman Centurion who did not and could not keep the law as having greater faith than any man in Judea. He said, " you shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH will set you free". You choose to carry the burden of the law, it is your choice. You choose to work your way into God;s good graces, that is your choice. You choose not to be free, that is your choice. You are of the people that God has declared favored and blessed, I haven't a clue how he will ultimately deal with you after you have rejected the Messiah, but I do know he keeps his promises, to you, to me, to all. Hmmmm, I have hurt your heart feelings ??? By pointing out your the lack of evidence for your bizarre conclusions ?
If you contend that the Christ was opposed to sacrificial atonement, then what do you consider his death on the cross to be ? Further, it is totally clear that his Mother was descendant from the line of David, was not David a Jew ?
Good post ! Two quibbles. The law does not and cannot say "do not kill", if it does, then God broke his own law. It says, "do not murder", the unlawful killing of someone. If this is what the Christ believed, why did he tell his disciples to buy swords. In Romans 13 ( I carried a weapon for 25 years, and was prepared to kill in the defense of someone else or myself) Why does Paul say that those who have the power of the sword are chosen by God to defend against evil and lawlessness ? AS to vegetarianism, I was a vegetarian for many years, my daughters are vegetarians, I came from a religious tradition where that was prominent. Please don't attempt to make diet choice a matter of morality. As long as the animals for food are treated humanely and butchered humanely it is not a moral issue, any more than eating pork is. The Christ declared all food clean. Paul talks about eating with a non believer, and eating without comment WHATEVER is put before you.
Just a note -- Jews are not Christians. People who believe in Jesus are not Jews (no matter what they call themselves). It is highly debatable whether Jesus is at all mentioned in the Talmud though there is a separate, non-talmudic medieval book called Toldot Yeshu.
Was anyone doubting this as it is currently ? Paul called himself a Jew, and in the beginning The Way was considered a Jewish sect. As we discussed before, Talmudic Judaism came into being around the time of the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, 1500 years or so after the details of the faith were given by God. So, why is someone who accepts the changes made in the Talmud a Jew, but a Jew who accepts and follows the Messiah not ? Simply because the believers in the Talmud have the power to compel belief in their changed version of Judaism to be a Jew ?
Jesus (if he existed as described) would be called a Jew by virtue of his mother's having been Jewish. A druid can worship a tree and not be a tree.
A follower of the messiah could very well be a Jew, sure. It just hasn't happened yet. Judaism is inherently messianic in that it established the concept and the rules and we still pray for the arrival of a messiah. So the entire construct is Jewish as are the requirements and they haven't been satisfied -- not by Bar Kochva. Not by Shabbtai Tzvi. Not by Jesus.
It means nothing to me, one way or another. Just a bit of sophistry exposed. You will, in the end know that Jesus was the Messiah, of that I am totally confident. Peace
You totally bypassed your mis characterization of what Paul said, because it proved you wrong. Unfortunately, like many in my former Church, you haven't a clue as to what the Gospel means. You want to continue under the old covenant made with Israel, and struggle and fail to not sin, and if you say you don't sin, there is no truth in you. I have already quoted Pauls words regarding meat, and it is obvious that he wasn't concerned about methods of butchering, nor your precious vegetarianism, he had important things to deal with. So then, by your standard, Paul did not follow or teach followers to adhere to the food laws re meat. So, are you right and Paul is wrong ? Not hardly. You are right, the old covenant (law) was not to pass away till all was fulfilled, and it was fulfilled at the Cross. The law was given to Israel, not gentiles, and it was fulfilled within Judaism, with little effort to convert Gentiles, When Christ died. At his resurrection there was a new Covenant, called the law of Christ in the NT. There are numerous chapters in the NT on the failures of the OT law, it's fulfillment, and the new covenant, Romans, Galatians, and Hebrews especially. Do you put the menstruating women in your household away and call them unclean ? That is what the law requires, and if you don't you have failed in the whole law, because to break one is to break all. If you decide to yoke yourself to the old covenant law, you better keep perfectly every command on every issue, you can't pick and choose. Christians like me don't take Paul's letters out of context, you did so, not I, to try and prove your erroneous conclusions. They, like you, are bound by a system that has passed away, and neither they nor you can grasp the Gospel, Grace, Faith and sanctification. No one that I know of believes Grace is a license to sin, that is claptrap. The result of ignorance of the Truth. I sin, as do you, but your sin's are compounded by ignorance, you don't even know which law you are to keep. I bet you keep the sabbath too, right ?