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The Lord's Catch-22

meghanwaterlillies

Well-Known Member
well as for the the cruxification Ideas it may have happened once.
~;> there are two crucifixation in the bible
one is spiritual crucifixion and
a literal crucifixion

the literal
Crucifixion is a death by torture practiced by the Roman Empire, and some other regimes since. It involves hanging a person by their outstretched arms until they are dead, and usually includes other physical abuses to cause more suffering and a quicker death. (Typically nailing the person's arms to a wooden support.)

a spiritual one
goes somethin like this
as it is written
:read:
Hebrews 6:6
and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance; seeing they crucify the Son of God for themselves again, and put him to open shame.

now
about the son of man as it is use to define a choosen person of god
so as it is written
:read:
Ezekiel 2:1
He said to me, "Son of man, stand on your feet, and I will speak with you."

and
the presence of a holy being in the form of the flesh
:read: (so as it is written)
:read:
Now, Father, glorify me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world existed.

for example
if we combine the verse from Ezekiel 2:1
to the verse of John 17:5
what could be the result

. ... just askin my sister
if we may say so ... .


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godbless
unto all always
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God,
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
~;>

1 - the apostle of the gentiles wants also to tell the mysteries of christ ... .unto every gentiles that walked the earth during that time on how even from the time being whenjesus is in human form

2 - thats why christjesus told unto his disciples to carry the good news then spread it on every corner of the world

1 - I see, you refer to Paul as the apostle of the Gentiles though he used to claim. Paul never became the apostle of the Gentiles. If you read Acts 15:7, Peter was the one assigned to work among the Gentiles. It was during a section of the Jerusalem Council that Peter declared that he had been the one to be assigned as an apostle of the Gentiles. Paul happened to be there and did not have a word to say about his claim to be the one. In fact, I wonder when he ever went to the Gentiles because all his life as a missionary since his first station in Damascus and until his last in Rome, he never left the synagogues of the Jews in peace. (Acts 9:1,2 and 28:17) All the time trying to overturn the synagogues of the Jews into Christian churches.

2 - Do you really believe that Jesus told his disciples to take the good news of salvation to every corner of the world? The opposite is rather true that, every time he sent his disciples on a mission to spread the gospel of salvation, he would warn them not to go the way of the Gentiles, especially the Samaritans. Read Matthew 10:5,6. BTW, I wonder why he would do
that, considering that Israel had been assigned as light unto the Gentiles.
 

meghanwaterlillies

Well-Known Member
1 - I see, you refer to Paul as the apostle of the Gentiles. Paul never became the apostle of the Gentiles. If you read Acts
15:7, Peter was the one assigned to work among the Gentiles. It was during a section of the Jerusalem Council that Peter
declared that he had been the one to be assigned as an apostle of the Gentiles. Paul happened to be there and did not
have a word to say about his claim to be the one. In fact, I wonder when he ever went to the Gentiles because all his life
as a missionary since his first station in Damascus and until his last in Rome, he never left the synagogues of the Jews in
peace. (Acts 9:1,2 and 28:17) All the time trying to overturn the synagogues of the Jews into Christian churches.

2 - Do you really believe that Jesus told his disciples to take the good news of salvation to every corner of the world?
The opposite is rather true that, every time he sent his disciples on a mission to spread the gospel of salvation, he would
warn them not to go the way of the Gentiles, especially the Samaritans. Read Matthew 10:5,6. BTW, I wonder why he would do that, considering that Israel had been assigned as light unto the Gentiles.
according to himself he claimed part of Judaism meaning he claimed that he was.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
according to himself he claimed part of Judaism meaning he claimed that he was.

That's another famous lies of his. He could have never defend his claim of Judaism by preaching around that we have been released from the Law with the death of Jesus. (Romans 7:1-7) Jesus himself said that to escape hell-fire we must listen to "Moses" aka the Law. (Luke 16:29-31) It means that Paul have never been of the same mind with Jesus.
 

meghanwaterlillies

Well-Known Member
That's another famous lies of his. He could have never defend his claim of Judaism by preaching around that we have been released from the Law with the death of Jesus. (Romans 7:1-7) Jesus himself said that to escape hell-fire we must listen to "Moses" aka the Law. (Luke 16:29-31) It means that Paul have never been of the same mind with Jesus.
well what I am saying is that you by saying the Jews are the light unto the gentiles is the same as what Paul thought whether he was Jewish or not.
Does this sound weird or not?
 

meghanwaterlillies

Well-Known Member
so the claim is.. which is.. will the real jew please stand up? LOL anyways also that's how we got islam and Babylon.
Why did they, call it a women...is silly.
Unless they keep saying that's how things are supposed to go but I cant see why it's not obvious so that others can just be okay.... what a circle..
So how do you break a double bind?
Because your not gonna want to be in it later either.
 

meghanwaterlillies

Well-Known Member
I have two crosses by the way one from world one with INRI on it and the other..... (all it does is make me ponder)... So its not a question of who did what when and where and stringing balances with death or life.
My question is the latter.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
well what I am saying is that you by saying the Jews are the light unto the gentiles is the same as what Paul thought whether he was Jewish or not.
Does this sound weird or not?

No, Paul was no longer a Jew from the moment he decided to found an anti-Jewish religion aka Christianity in the city of Antioch, where Christians were called Christians for the first time because of him. There is not only one way for a Jew to lose his Jewish identity but a few. To be Jewish is not to belong to a different race. One can even quit being Jewish and he or she will cease being one.
 

meghanwaterlillies

Well-Known Member
No, Paul was no longer a Jew from the moment he decided to found an anti-Jewish religion aka Christianity in the city of Antioch, where Christians were called Christians for the first time because of him. There is not only one way for a Jew to lose his Jewish identity but a few. To be Jewish is not to belong to a different race. One can even quit being Jewish and he or she will cease being one.
Okay I was gonna say if you go down this path from where of course it seems to circle...
"""well what I am saying is that you by saying the Jews are the light unto the gentiles is the same as what Paul thought whether he was Jewish or not.
Does this sound weird or not?"""
Because if you are a light unto the gentiles then your statement is like that of paul's actually.
How many people aren't jews then, that claim they are that cant even possibly be a light unto the gentiles?
How many times do you run into that on your bumpy road?
Just maybe like paul.
Or a even someone who is in Judaism.
If jews are the light unto the gentiles, does that not make it sort like paul doctrine which is kinda brainwashy yes but its about the commandments?
Is it more like islam.. or an imitation of paul.
To be Jewish is not to belong to a different race.
So if you happen to be with your race....
what about country?
If that's the case why so much immigration...
if the Hellenistic approach is looked at which is the eye deal that always pushes ideas of race and culture and reform (they tag the love crap) but which is also brainwashing from a Hellenistic approach.
What about the moonistic approach (which isn't a word yet lol) which sees the differences but preaches people sin and attack, BUT do the same themselves (they tag the peace crap) just as much as they do. Another brainwashy approach and they usually rise together.
My question for you is what if Jesus was able to conquer all of that?
Do we hold it and then go backwards?
 
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meghanwaterlillies

Well-Known Member
So for your sake and everyone's..
if I only walk by faith and not by sight which isn't at all entirely true or exactly done as I walk through zion I don't want to trip on Jesus. lol
Now if paul really was blinded (((I believe it probably was for a good reason, but in a metaphorical sense)))
So one thing did another but being consciously aware of sin, believing that the jews are the light unto the gentiles. Traversed the sun and moon theology maybe because of this ... through zion I don't want to trip on Jesus.
Anyways how do you break a double bind?
 

ukok102nak

Active Member
1 - I see, you refer to Paul as the apostle of the Gentiles though he used to claim. Paul never became the apostle of the Gentiles. If you read Acts 15:7, Peter was the one assigned to work among the Gentiles. It was during a section of the Jerusalem Council that Peter declared that he had been the one to be assigned as an apostle of the Gentiles. Paul happened to be there and did not have a word to say about his claim to be the one. In fact, I wonder when he ever went to the Gentiles because all his life as a missionary since his first station in Damascus and until his last in Rome, he never left the synagogues of the Jews in peace. (Acts 9:1,2 and 28:17) All the time trying to overturn the synagogues of the Jews into Christian churches.

2 - Do you really believe that Jesus told his disciples to take the good news of salvation to every corner of the world? The opposite is rather true that, every time he sent his disciples on a mission to spread the gospel of salvation, he would warn them not to go the way of the Gentiles, especially the Samaritans. Read Matthew 10:5,6. BTW, I wonder why he would do
that, considering that Israel had been assigned as light unto the Gentiles.

~;> as it is written
:read:
Luke 21:33
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away.

perhaps your right
for the good news is too big for everyone's salvation
with all the gentiles there is
during that time
and
this so called
every corner of the world
is too small to be compare unto
the very words of god

as what we've said before
we believed unto what is good and
cannot lie

and the apostle of gentiles
never said anything that comes from
your thought or mine nor us
and
even unto aryone else own thinkin
:read: (as it is written)
Galatians 1:8 However, even if we, or a messenger out of heaven, bring a ‘Good News’ to you beside what we announced to you, let him be accursed.
9 As we have said before, and now I say again, if anyone brings a ‘Good News’ to you beside what you have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or Elohim? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I should not be a servant of Messiah.
11 And I make known to you, brothers, that the Good News announced by me is not according to man.
12 For I did not receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but through a revelation of יהושע Messiah.

the light of the gentiles is
christjesus our lord and saviour
the only begotten son of god
so as it is written
:read:

John 4:21
יהושע said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you shall neither on this mountain, nor in Yerushalayim, worship the Father.
22 “You worship what you do not know. We worship what we know, because the deliverance is of the Yehuḏim.
23 “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also does seek such to worship Him.
24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship in spirit and truth.”


the ony difference between us is
we never accept abraham as our father
becaused
we only have father in heaven
as it is written
:read:
Isaiah 63:16
For You are our Father, though Aḇraham does not know us, and Yisra’ĕl does not recognise us. You, O יהוה, are our Father, our Redeemer – Your Name is from of old.

perhaps you get the message why israel is not the light of the gentiles
according unto the scripture itself

by the way
we are not denying anything that is written about israel
what we are saying is
that you are definitely wrong
to claimed that israel is the light of the gentiles
so as it is written
:read:
Psalms 79:9
Help us, O God, our savior, for the glory of your name. Rescue us, and forgive our sins for the honor of your name.
10 Why should the nations be allowed to say, "Where is their God?" Let us watch as the nations learn that there is punishment for shedding the blood of your servants.


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godbless
unto all always
 
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ukok102nak

Active Member
so spiritual cruxification is open to interpretation, that means you might get several

~;> as it is written
:read:
Psalms 79:9
Help us, O God, our savior, for the glory of your name. Rescue us, and forgive our sins for the honor of your name.
10 Why should the nations be allowed to say, "Where is their God?" Let us watch as the nations learn that there is punishment for shedding the blood of your servants.

we keep the other writtings that is corroborating unto the verses above and
probably you could do your part
by seaching it also
if we may say so


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godbless
unto all always
 

meghanwaterlillies

Well-Known Member
~;> as it is written
:read:
Psalms 79:9
Help us, O God, our savior, for the glory of your name. Rescue us, and forgive our sins for the honor of your name.
10 Why should the nations be allowed to say, "Where is their God?" Let us watch as the nations learn that there is punishment for shedding the blood of your servants.

we keep the other writtings that is corroborating unto the verses above and
probably you could do your part
by seaching it also
if we may say so


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godbless
unto all always
Well its not about shedding blood; and no I don't do things over.
 

ukok102nak

Active Member
Well its not about shedding blood; and no I don't do things over.

:snowflake: indeed
though is open to interpretation, that means you might get several

I don't have the spirit of vengeance

then let us leave that to
the penance stare
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and so the person disagrees.

probably someone will
so if i :snowflake: yeah its me and not him ~;>
to choose
i rather say expect the unexpected
if i may say so


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godbless
unto all always
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
~;> as it is written
:read:
Luke 21:33
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away.

Very good! I hope you know that Jesus was referring to the Law and the Prophets if you read Mat. 5:17-19. That's why he warned us all to listen to "Moses" aka the Law if you read Luke 16:29-31. Since Heaven and Earth are still around, the Law has not passed away. This means that Paul was lying when he said that the Law ended with the death of Jesus. (Romans 10:4) That's why Paul taught his disciples that they had been released from the Law. And he meant
the Law of the Decalogue if you read Romans 7:1-7. Jesus said "till heaven and earth pass away" and Paul took this point as if Jesus did not know what he was talking about. Now, are we to believe in Jesus or in Paul? You have your choice.
 
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