Baptism with no purpose, any takers?

psychoslice · Aug 21, 2016

e.r.m. said:
Btw, good to meet a man from down under. Hope all is well. If I understand what you're saying, even our true inner self that God created, and is fabulous the way He created us before we mess ourselves up, is still not God. Our true self is not one in God and is not God. God is distinct and separate from our inner being. He is the creator, we are the created. He is the benevolent benefactor. When we seek God, we are not seeking ourselves, but Him.

Hey, good to meet you also, we had a bit of an earthquake up here in Townsville a few days ago.......yes I can see your side, but I also see my side, I think we have different ways of seeing that which is, but I certainly agree that just to call yourself God is ignorance, when I say we are God, I mean the One and only God, its what level you see God at that makes the difference, well that is my own experience.

e.r.m. · Aug 21, 2016

psychoslice said:
Hey, good to meet you also, we had a bit of an earthquake up here in Townsville a few days ago.......yes I can see your side, but I also see my side, I think we have different ways of seeing that which is, but I certainly agree that just to call yourself God is ignorance, when I say we are God, I mean the One and only God, its what level you see God at that makes the difference, well that is my own experience.

Hope the earthquake wasn't too bad, and if so, I wish you all a speedy recovery.
its what level you see God at that makes the difference, well that is my own experience.

Sorry, you lost me here. I'm glad you can see my side. I hope to see yours as well.

atpollard · Sep 17, 2016

e.r.m. said:
Just want to take sort of a poll. This is not to discuss which purpose for water baptism in Jesus's name is correct, but the reasons I've heard include, but are not limited to:
1. For forgiveness of sins.
2. To give one's public confession that they belong to Christ.
3. Testifying what God has already done inside (salvation).
4. As one's parents dedicate their child to Christ.
5. Following Jesus's example.

My question is, has anyone gotten water baptized in Jesus's name for no reason than just cause God says so, with no purpose stated? "Here's Mike, he's being baptized because God says so, Here you go, under the water." Has anyone been taught to get baptized with the only reason being because God says so, and no other reason given?

Thank you.

Pretty close to that.

I heard the gospel and converted from Atheism to Christanity in a Catholic Fellowship (but never joined the Roman Catholic Church). So fast forward two decades of Christian walk and growth and I was attending a Church of God of Anderson Indiana when they had a baptism. I commented, off hand, that I had never been baptized because of how I was saved and they were shocked. So the next Sunday, I was baptized to make them happy. (The Holy Spirit had already transformed me from the inside out).

I had no objection, I have just never seen the water as salvific (the baptism of the Holy Spirit is the One baptism that counts). So it was pretty close to just because Jesus said so in my case.

columbus · Sep 17, 2016

atpollard said:
I heard the gospel and converted from Atheism to Christanity in a Catholic Fellowship (but never joined the Roman Catholic Church).

What is a Catholic fellowship?
Tom

atpollard · Sep 18, 2016

columbus said:
What is a Catholic fellowship?
Tom

Catholic Charismatic Movement folks met on Friday night at the Church and practiced Evangelism. [shrug]
I got the feeling the Priest tolerated it but kept it at arms length ... as long as it didn't interfere with the Raffle or Bingo.
[I have MUCH more respect for Catholics than their clergy].

moorea944 · Sep 18, 2016

e.r.m. said:
Just want to take sort of a poll. This is not to discuss which purpose for water baptism in Jesus's name is correct, but the reasons I've heard include, but are not limited to:
1. For forgiveness of sins.
2. To give one's public confession that they belong to Christ.
3. Testifying what God has already done inside (salvation).
4. As one's parents dedicate their child to Christ.
5. Following Jesus's example.

My question is, has anyone gotten water baptized in Jesus's name for no reason than just cause God says so, with no purpose stated? "Here's Mike, he's being baptized because God says so, Here you go, under the water." Has anyone been taught to get baptized with the only reason being because God says so, and no other reason given?

Thank you.

Good point. I think alot of people really dont understand what baptism really is. They do it because their friends are getting baptised, or for whatever the reason. Baptism is much more than going into the water. We read Romans 6 which tells us about baptism. But baptism is like a marriage unto Christ. It also makes God right in telling us that we have to put to death our sin nature. The old man dies and a new man raised from the water, symbollically. Gal 3 tells us that we are now in the promises to Abraham when we get baptised. We are also now in a "covenant relationship" with our Creator. We are now "graphed in"., which makes us a "spiritual" Jew. There is so much more too.

That is why we dont baptise babies. Knowledge first.... then baptism..... simple

Desert Snake · Sep 18, 2016

The water baptism actually is merely a sin redemption ceremony, and later became a religion/church adherence //ceremony, to signify ones religious adherence. It has no purpose besides these, /obviously/, anyways...

Anyways, to answer the question, not baptized, not going to get baptized

oldbadger · Sep 18, 2016

e.r.m. said:
Just want to take sort of a poll. This is not to discuss which purpose for water baptism in Jesus's name is correct, but the reasons I've heard include, but are not limited to:
1. For forgiveness of sins.
2. To give one's public confession that they belong to Christ.
3. Testifying what God has already done inside (salvation).
4. As one's parents dedicate their child to Christ.
5. Following Jesus's example.

My question is, has anyone gotten water baptized in Jesus's name for no reason than just cause God says so, with no purpose stated? "Here's Mike, he's being baptized because God says so, Here you go, under the water." Has anyone been taught to get baptized with the only reason being because God says so, and no other reason given?

Thank you.

Hello......
You could add another reason for Baptism to your list.
6. Social function.
Where I live some parents baptise their children because it's a family/friends get-together and meet the new baby/child.

Brickjectivity · Sep 18, 2016

e.r.m. said:
Just want to take sort of a poll. This is not to discuss which purpose for water baptism in Jesus's name is correct, but the reasons I've heard include, but are not limited to:
1. For forgiveness of sins.
2. To give one's public confession that they belong to Christ.
3. Testifying what God has already done inside (salvation).
4. As one's parents dedicate their child to Christ.
5. Following Jesus's example.

My question is, has anyone gotten water baptized in Jesus's name for no reason than just cause God says so, with no purpose stated? "Here's Mike, he's being baptized because God says so, Here you go, under the water." Has anyone been taught to get baptized with the only reason being because God says so, and no other reason given?

Thank you.

Its a recognition of adoption of the entire world along with denial of self and acceptance of being Christ, living Christ's life, answering to the name 'Christ', doing the work of Christ. You will bring Christ's goals to come to pass instead of your own. You are no longer _____ whatever your name was previously. You have been baptized into another name, a permanent name and an immortal one. You are re-purposed to live not for yourself. You are re-made, and you announce it in the ritual of baptism.

Desert Snake · Sep 18, 2016

e.r.m. said:
Just want to take sort of a poll. This is not to discuss which purpose for water baptism in Jesus's name is correct, but the reasons I've heard include, but are not limited to:
1. For forgiveness of sins.
2. To give one's public confession that they belong to Christ.
3. Testifying what God has already done inside (salvation).
4. As one's parents dedicate their child to Christ.
5. Following Jesus's example.

My question is, has anyone gotten water baptized in Jesus's name for no reason than just cause God says so, with no purpose stated? "Here's Mike, he's being baptized because God says so, Here you go, under the water." Has anyone been taught to get baptized with the only reason being because God says so, and no other reason given?

Thank you.

G-d doesn't 'say so', the verse your probably referencing most likely means to preach the word to all nations, not literally 'water baptism'.
We can infer this because ''baptism'' using hands is used, and even indicated as superior, in Scripture. Clearly the word ''baptism'' is not indicating the ceremony /water baptism, //sin redemption, only.

moorea944 · Sep 18, 2016

syncretic said:
The water baptism actually is merely a sin redemption ceremony, and later became a religion/church adherence //ceremony, to signify ones religious adherence. It has no purpose besides these, /obviously/, anyways...

Anyways, to answer the question, not baptized, not going to get baptized

Just a mere sin redemption ceremony? And has no purpose besides these? Wow, I guess you dont really want to accept what scripture is saying then. Why? Are you afraid of something?

Desert Snake · Sep 18, 2016

moorea944 said:
Just a mere sin redemption ceremony? And has no purpose besides these? Wow, I guess you dont really want to accept what scripture is saying then. Why? Are you afraid of something?

It is technically a sin redemption ceremony, yes. The act of performing it when people joined the 'Christian churches, was to demonstrate that they weren't pagans or what not any longer. The ceremony itself, the 'Johns' Baptism, is not the actual 'proposed' baptism, //Baptism by Jesus,, that many equate as the same. Baptism by Jesus is requested during the water Baptism, but there's no guarantee that anything is actually going to occur. At best you might be 'guaranteed' some sin remission, but even that is dubious as a statement of fact.

I think that Baptism, is fine. You can even perform it on yourself, //

moorea944 · Sep 18, 2016

syncretic said:
It is technically a sin redemption ceremony, yes. The act of performing it when people joined the 'Christian churches, was to demonstrate that they weren't pagans or what not any longer. The ceremony itself, the 'Johns' Baptism, is not the actual 'proposed' baptism, //Baptism by Jesus,, that many equate as the same. Baptism by Jesus is requested during the water Baptism, but there's no guarantee that anything is actually going to occur. At best you might be 'guaranteed' some sin remission, but even that is dubious as a statement of fact.

I think that Baptism, is fine. You can even perform it on yourself, //

Ok, so then what is baptism for you then? What does baptism represent to you? I mentioned to you what scripture tells us. Scripture tells us one thing and you say another thing. I'm just curious on why?

Desert Snake · Sep 18, 2016

moorea944 said:
Ok, so then what is baptism for you then? What does baptism represent to you? I mentioned to you what scripture tells us. Scripture tells us one thing and you say another thing. I'm just curious on why?

I'm not contradicting the Scripture. The 'different baptisms', are not only indicated outright in Scripture, but the Apostle Paul even baptizes people /with his hands, after they had undergone the water baptism. If scripture is telling you something I'm not, i would suggest reading Scripture again.
Now, to what it represents to me; it is a church ceremony, and i'm not in a church. That's basically it. It is a ''religious ceremony'', but i do not follow those precepts prescribing baptism. Pretty simple.

moorea944 · Sep 19, 2016

syncretic said:
I'm not contradicting the Scripture. The 'different baptisms', are not only indicated outright in Scripture, but the Apostle Paul even baptizes people /with his hands, after they had undergone the water baptism. If scripture is telling you something I'm not, i would suggest reading Scripture again.
Now, to what it represents to me; it is a church ceremony, and i'm not in a church. That's basically it. It is a ''religious ceremony'', but i do not follow those precepts prescribing baptism. Pretty simple.

I'm not contradicting the Scripture. The 'different baptisms', are not only indicated outright in Scripture,

There is only one baptism.

but the Apostle Paul even baptizes people /with his hands, after they had undergone the water baptism.

And why did Paul rebaptise John's disciples? John baptised people in a baptism of repentence and forgiveness of sins. Jesus was still alive. Paul rebaptised them in the name of Jesus. Acts 19

If scripture is telling you something I'm not, i would suggest reading Scripture again.

How many times should I read Romans 6.... and what parts of scripture do you read that is different?

e.r.m. · Oct 7, 2016

atpollard said:
Pretty close to that.

I heard the gospel and converted from Atheism to Christanity in a Catholic Fellowship (but never joined the Roman Catholic Church). So fast forward two decades of Christian walk and growth and I was attending a Church of God of Anderson Indiana when they had a baptism. I commented, off hand, that I had never been baptized because of how I was saved and they were shocked. So the next Sunday, I was baptized to make them happy. (The Holy Spirit had already transformed me from the inside out).

I had no objection, I have just never seen the water as salvific (the baptism of the Holy Spirit is the One baptism that counts). So it was pretty close to just because Jesus said so in my case.

Did they say it was just that, or did that church discuss or float a reason for why people there get baptized, or do they just not ever talk about it at all?

e.r.m. · Oct 7, 2016

Brickjectivity said:
Its a recognition of adoption of the entire world along with denial of self and acceptance of being Christ, living Christ's life, answering to the name 'Christ', doing the work of Christ. You will bring Christ's goals to come to pass instead of your own. You are no longer _____ whatever your name was previously. You have been baptized into another name, a permanent name and an immortal one. You are re-purposed to live not for yourself. You are re-made, and you announce it in the ritual of baptism.

Actually, it's only narrators and commentators who say it's an after the fact recognition or symbolic. The scriptures never actually say this themselves.

e.r.m. · Oct 7, 2016

moorea944 said:
Good point. I think alot of people really dont understand what baptism really is. They do it because their friends are getting baptised, or for whatever the reason. Baptism is much more than going into the water.

Agreed with all this.

We read Romans 6 which tells us about baptism. But baptism is like a marriage unto Christ.

Romans 6, nor anywhere in the Bible does it make this parallel to water baptism.

It also makes God right in telling us that we have to put to death our sin nature. The old man dies and a new man raised from the water, symbollically.

Actually, it's only narrators and commentators who say that the raising is symbolic. The scriptures never actually say this themselves.

Gal 3 tells us that we are now in the promises to Abraham when we get baptised. We are also now in a "covenant relationship" with our Creator. We are now "graphed in"., which makes us a "spiritual" Jew. There is so much more too.

Agreed.

That is why we dont baptise babies. Knowledge first.... then baptism..... simple

Agreed.

moorea944 · Oct 7, 2016

e.r.m. said:
Agreed with all this.
Romans 6, nor anywhere in the Bible does it make this parallel to water baptism.
Actually, it's only narrators and commentators who say that the raising is symbolic. The scriptures never actually say this themselves.
Agreed.
Agreed.

Actually, it's only narrators and commentators who say that the raising is symbolic. The scriptures never actually say this themselves.

Well yes, but.... it is what it represents, I guess I'll say it that way because Paul does say it. We dont actually die, but we die symbollicaly. God doesnt want us to die a violent death on an actual cross. We have baptism. Look at Romans 6 and 1 Cor 15

e.r.m. · Oct 7, 2016

moorea944 said:
Well yes, but.... it is what it represents, I guess I'll say it that way because Paul does say it. We dont actually die, but we die symbollicaly.
God doesnt want us to die a violent death on an actual cross. We have baptism. Look at Romans 6 and 1 Cor 15

I guess I'll say it that way because Paul does say it. We dont actually die, but we die symbollicaly.

No Paul didn't say that. He didn't say we die symbolically. There's no word 'symbol' anywhere in Romans 6. We don't die physically, our old self dies, our sin dies at baptism.
He said
Romans 6:2, 6-7 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? [6] knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; [7] for he who has died is freed from sin.

Paul didn't say "You were baptized for the purpose of symbolizing/representing...."

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