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Salvation in the scriptures, the born again movement

Riders

Well-Known Member
I have this weird idea about Christians and their beliefs in the alter call.It seems that they play mental games with themselves and somehow have fooled themselves into believing on a magical world called accepting Jesus or to be simply stated they get mental about the ritual and it seems that they holed onto the ritual more then they actually believe in and hold onto Jesus. I dont know if that makes sense.

Here's my example when I was taking Christiantiy to my sister that i wasnt closed to Christianity i have a belief that Jesus existed and can even conceived the idea of believing in the Son Of God but that doesnt mean I'm saying hes God.Those bible scriptures everyone of them say you must believe in the son of God.Where in the bible does it say to test take a professional Christian text in order to be saved iLl write more later but she wanted me to say outloud Jesus is God and God is Jesus prove that Im christian why do I need to prove to anyone the bible doesnt say we need to take proof tests of Christainity nor does it say we have to verbally say aloud Jesus is God and God is Jesus and she also believes you have to respond to the alter call. it seems to em shes more attached to the alter call system and proving Jesus is God verbally then the Christain religion.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I have this weird idea about Christians and their beliefs in the alter call.It seems that they play mental games with themselves and somehow have fooled themselves into believing on a magical world called accepting Jesus or to be simply stated they get mental about the ritual and it seems that they holed onto the ritual more then they actually believe in and hold onto Jesus. I dont know if that makes sense.

Here's my example when I was taking Christiantiy to my sister that i wasnt closed to Christianity i have a belief that Jesus existed and can even conceived the idea of believing in the Son Of God but that doesnt mean I'm saying hes God.Those bible scriptures everyone of them say you must believe in the son of God.Where in the bible does it say to test take a professional Christian text in order to be saved iLl write more later but she wanted me to say outloud Jesus is God and God is Jesus prove that Im Christian why do I need to prove to anyone the bible doesnt say we need to take proof tests of Christainity nor does it say we have to verbally say aloud Jesus is God and God is Jesus and she also believes you have to respond to the alter call. it seems to em shes more attached to the alter call system and proving Jesus is God verbally then the Christain religion.

I believe this is eminently possible.

It does not say you have to take any test. Most congregations will accept a person upon their testimony that they have received Jesus as Lord and Savior. They might start to wonder though if there isn't any fruit.

Responding to the altar call has its place.
Mt 10:32 Every one therefore who shall confess me before men, him will I also confess before my Father who is in heaven.
Mt 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father who is in heaven.

I believe it boils down to who you think is your Lord and Savior, just a man or God. A man might be able to do a little for you but God can do so much more. This is laid out for you in John 14.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
Aha but the alter is not required , the bible says hes the son of God, you just said it I have to believe hes God, but the bible says hes the son of God over and over and theres nothing wrong with me using that title Son of God its all over the bible. If you have an issue with believe in him as Son Of God your not following the bible.Obviously your replacing God with Jesus. The confession scriptures aren't speaking about alter calls either ,you can confess the lord by yourself, or with your family church alter call has nothing to do with it. Theres no reason why I should refer to God as God,yous eemt o think its nessesary to delete God with the name of Jesus, but the book of 2nd John has the name of God mentioned without Jesus many times.Theres no rule in the bible I have to say Jesus is God as you just said.
 

ukok102nak

Active Member
~;> this we would like to see if what kind of method those OSAS BELIEVERS will use regarding unto this thread

as they say
when a dog has a son or daughter
it is still a dog whether anyone like it or not (what do people call about a male and female puppy)

but
if god has only begotten son
what they will call him even if he takes the form of a human
as it is written
:read:
Hebrews 2:14
Since then the children have shared in flesh and blood, he also himself in like manner partook of the same, that through death he might bring to nothing him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,

so as it is written
:read:
John 3:31
He who comes from above is above all. He who is from the Earth belongs to the Earth, and speaks of the Earth. He who comes from heaven is above all.

Philippians 2:6
who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men.
8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, yes, the death of the cross.
9 Therefore God also highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name;
10 that at the name of Yeshua every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth,
11 and that every tongue should confess that Yeshua the Messiah is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

12 So then, my beloved, even as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13 For it is God who works in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure.
14 Do all things without murmurings and disputes,
15 that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you are seen as lights in the world,

yeah every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth,
and that every tongue should confess that he is Lord

and this verse corroborate unto the given verses above
:read: (and learn the scripture first before saying anything that is against what is good and cannot lie)
Exodus 20:7
"You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.

indeed THE LORD YOUR GOD
MEANING THE LORD IS YOUR GOD ALSO AS SIMPLE AS THAT
WHAT A LOGIC


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godbless
unto always
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
For other persons named Yeshua, or other claimed transcriptions of Jesus, see Yeshua (disambiguation). For the person, teaching, and acts of Jesus, see Jesus and Historical Jesus. See also Names and titles of Jesus in the New Testament and Jesus in the

that's the definition of Yeshua in WIki. It means any of us ware teaching Messiah teachings are Yeshuas.So that was for all of us, its a way of teaching the messiah Movement. Was that Paul who wrote that? Didn't he go off cockeyed about the Jesus legend anyways?
 

ukok102nak

Active Member
~;> wiki is not the bible
and thats a simple logic and thats the truth
coz
no methods from any writtings in wiki
(though its one of the many sources of knowledge)
would determine
what is good and who cannot lie
that is written in the scripture

so again
:read: (and learn the scripture first before saying anything that is against what is good and cannot lie)
Exodus 20:7
"You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.

indeed THE LORD YOUR GOD
MEANING THE LORD IS YOUR GOD ALSO AS SIMPLE AS THAT
WHAT A LOGIC


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godbless
unto always

For other persons named Yeshua, or other claimed transcriptions of Jesus, see Yeshua (disambiguation). For the person, teaching, and acts of Jesus, see Jesus and Historical Jesus. See also Names and titles of Jesus in the New Testament and Jesus in the

that's the definition of Yeshua in WIki. It means any of us ware teaching Messiah teachings are Yeshuas.So that was for all of us, its a way of teaching the messiah Movement. Was that Paul who wrote that? Didn't he go off cockeyed about the Jesus legend anyways?
 
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Riders

Well-Known Member
Well I will depend on the bible( what your saying is theres no other writings from the time and or after that have any spiritual meaning outside of the bible, its nutty to me )
sense no other book on earth has any truth or meaning to you outside of the bible( by the way what bible? Catholic King James Book Of Mormon or Oxford?) I will refute what your saying sense scripture contradicts itself with another bible scripture.

This is Jesus' words, and I believe Jesus words trumps your words ,This scripture he declares he is not God "
16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
References for Matthew 19:16
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
References for Matthew 19:17
18 “Which ones?” he inquired. Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony,
References for Matthew 19:18
19 honor your father and mother,’Cross References
  • « 19:19 - Exodus 20:12-16; Deut. 5:16-20
  • ¬ 19:19 - Lev. 19:18
20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”
21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.

In other words its actions that save you not following the right religion, actions, give to the poor follow Jesus examples, nowhere ides it say in that's scripture you have to confess is God, it says the opposite. Why callest me Good? Only God is good, hes not God.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Well I will depend on the bible( what your saying is theres no other writings from the time and or after that have any spiritual meaning outside of the bible, its nutty to me )
sense no other book on earth has any truth or meaning to you outside of the bible( by the way what bible? Catholic King James Book Of Mormon or Oxford?)
While I can and do agree with your perspective, I just thought I'd correct one misconception you apparently have. Mormons use the King James Version of the Bible. The Book of Mormon is not our Bible.
 

ukok102nak

Active Member
Well I will depend on the bible( what your saying is theres no other writings from the time and or after that have any spiritual meaning outside of the bible, its nutty to me )
sense no other book on earth has any truth or meaning to you outside of the bible( by the way what bible? Catholic King James Book Of Mormon or Oxford?) I will refute what your saying sense scripture contradicts itself with another bible scripture.

This is Jesus' words, and I believe Jesus words trumps your words ,This scripture he declares he is not God "
16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
References for Matthew 19:16
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
References for Matthew 19:17
18 “Which ones?” he inquired. Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony,
References for Matthew 19:18
19 honor your father and mother,’Cross References
  • « 19:19 - Exodus 20:12-16; Deut. 5:16-20
  • ¬ 19:19 - Lev. 19:18
20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”
21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.

In other words its actions that save you not following the right religion, actions, give to the poor follow Jesus examples, nowhere ides it say in that's scripture you have to confess is God, it says the opposite. Why callest me Good? Only God is good, hes not God.

~;> actually there were so many gods
in the bible
as it is written
:read:
1 Corinthians 8:5
For though there are things that are called "gods," whether in the heavens or on earth; as there are many "gods" and many "lords;"

and
thats why we shared this verse for clearing that Up


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godbless
unto all always
 

ukok102nak

Active Member
A person who has gained salvation by faith in Jesus Christ can lose that faith and the salvation that comes with it. The bible says that maintaining faith requires GREAT EFFORT, a "Hard Fight"...Jude 3,5...Luke 13:24..The word here in Luke "strive"..."Exert every effort"..."Struggle" Depending what bible translation you are using, the word,(Strongs #G75) means in all the lexicons and word dictionarys I looked at, "TO STRUGGLE, THE IDEA IS TO EXERT ONES MAXIMUM EFFORT, TO STRAIN EVERY NERVE"....thus, the translation I mostly use, uses the word "VIGORUSLY" showing us the effort we must put forth to maintain our salvation, that Paul here in Philipians 2:12 tells us about. The bible warns against serious sins that will keep a person from entering Gods kingdom. 1Cor 6:9-11...Gal. 5:19-21...If salvation could not be lost, such warnings would be meaningless . Instead, the bible shows that someone who has been saved can fall away by returning to a PRACTICE of serious sin. For Example; HEBREWS 10:26...HEB. 6:4-6...2Pet. 2:20-22. OBEDIENCE plays a KEY role in your salvation, it requires effort on your part. Jesus tells us the main thing we need to do to learn what he wants us to be obedient to..so that we can be saved .in his prayer in John 17:3..KNOWLEDGE, and how do you get it....the bible !


~;> indeed
coz some born again (they thought they've been guided by a holy spirit but they only relies on
thought they were christians but they were misguided by
a system of biblical interpretation taught
by man
such as those some people from a certain chatroom forum that our fellows used to tell us
coz we lend them our sign
thats why some brethrens of ours also went there but got banned and the reason is
FOR DENYING THEIR TRINITY BELEIF
SOME CHRISTIAN CHATROOM AS THEY SAY
FOR THOSE SOME PEOPLE IN THAT CHRISTIAN CHATROOM (THEY WERE NEVER BEEN A CHRISTIAN AFTERALL)
THE RULES THERE
WAS BEEN MANDATED BY THE LEADERS OF
THE TRIUNE GOD WORSHIPPERS
(THEIR FALSE PROPHETS AND FALSE TEACHERS USED TO BLEND UNTO RELIGIONS WHO BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY DOCTRINE)

the elders were right from the start
regarding those some people who usually
profess that they know God, but by their works they deny him, being abominable, disobedient, and unfit for any good work.

yeah they tell everytime that they do not need that works in their faith
and even deny the very words of god
in the scripture
and also they denying something that they failed to learn about the scripture

as well being abominable to the human race coz they thought that they were been born again by spirit when there fleshly desires were more spiritually discerned,

anyone could observed
the difference between those leaders of triune god worshippers and their fanatics
(their fanatics were always acting weird that they always braggin that they knew jesus and jesus knew them
sounds creepy isnt it)

as what we've said earlier
anyone could observed
the difference between those leaders of triune god worshippers and their fanatics
from
the protestants and catholics
becaused
those leaders of triune god worshippers and their fanatics are
disobedient unto the very
commandment of god, and unfit for any good work
coz they dont accept work but faith only
and that is one reason they got messed up to understand that science could work for their faith to bring more glory to god and not to themselves


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godbless
unto all always
 
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ukok102nak

Active Member
~;> not at all
we were not saying such a thing
for we were not depending unto your own thinkin which says
a nutty kind of thinkin that
theres no other writings from the time and or after that have any spiritual meaning outside of the bible
coz you dont even think
that without havin a proof inside the bible itself
you wouldnt know the very written words of god

by the way
you cant even crack the codes from those verses in the scripture that you've posted
thats why
you mistook the words of christjesus in his human form as a words of a human being only
coz you forgot to bring this context from the scriptures in the bible itself again
thats says something like this
as it is written
:read:
John 8:54
Jesus answered, If I honor myself, my honor is nothing: it is my Father that honors me; of whom you say, that he is your God:
55 Yet you have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like to you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews to him, You are
not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham was, I am.


how someone in human form who is
not yet fifty years old, and have seen Abraham
and what can you say about this verse
so as it is written
:read:
John 8:58 Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham was, I am.


this verses from the bible
John chapter 8 verse 54 up to 58
do you think
This is Jesus' words, and you believe Jesus words trumps your words,
or
you will rather
contradict yourself with
This scripture
THAT TELLS ABOUT HOW
GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY
declares
CHRISTJESUS is God "

. ... just askin
if we may say so ... .


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godbless
unto all always


Well I will depend on the bible( what your saying is theres no other writings from the time and or after that have any spiritual meaning outside of the bible, its nutty to me )
sense no other book on earth has any truth or meaning to you outside of the bible( by the way what bible? Catholic King James Book Of Mormon or Oxford?) I will refute what your saying sense scripture contradicts itself with another bible scripture.

This is Jesus' words, and I believe Jesus words trumps your words ,This scripture he declares he is not God "
16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
References for Matthew 19:16
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
References for Matthew 19:17
18 “Which ones?” he inquired. Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony,
References for Matthew 19:18
19 honor your father and mother,’Cross References
  • « 19:19 - Exodus 20:12-16; Deut. 5:16-20
  • ¬ 19:19 - Lev. 19:18
20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”
21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.

In other words its actions that save you not following the right religion, actions, give to the poor follow Jesus examples, nowhere ides it say in that's scripture you have to confess is God, it says the opposite. Why callest me Good? Only God is good, hes not God.
 
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ukok102nak

Active Member
~;> there is nothing wrong in the scripture coz its your interpretation that makes you wrong

and also
did you even try to compare
this verses from the bible
John chapter 8 verse 54 up to 58
unto your so called own scripture
or
if you just bring again those alibi
then you're really afraid of the truth
that
This is Jesus' words, and you believe Jesus words trumps your words,
or your just afraid to learn
that
you will contradict yourself with
This scripture
THAT TELLS ABOUT HOW
GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY
declares
CHRISTJESUS is God "

read all the written bible version
regarding
John chapter 8 verse 54 up to 58
coz all the writting shall tell you the same exact result
(except the book of mormons as you've mention before becaused we dont used that kind of book as the standard of learning when it comes to christjesus
meaning
you assuming to much that is
if we may say so)


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godbless
unto all always


I posted Mathew 19 17 I don't what scripture that is your wrong.
 
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Riders

Well-Known Member
Just proves how you guys like t pick out your own scriptures verses out and leave off the rest and use it for your own agenda.
 

ukok102nak

Active Member
~;> wrong
for we only base our actions towards your nutty kind of thinkin
so theres nothing that you conclude that our perpective is the same
as your own doing such as
t pick out your own scriptures verses out and leave off the rest and use it for your own agenda.

also your givin scriptures
doesnt match up your own interpretation
regarding your aguments
Just proves how you like t pick out your own scriptures verses out and leave off the rest and use it for your own agenda.


Just proves how you guys like t pick out your own scriptures verses out and leave off the rest and use it for your own agenda.
 

ukok102nak

Active Member
~;> we proved it accordingly from what you've posted
thats why
we ask you first
if you can remember this post of ours earlier we said
this verses from the bible
John chapter 8 verse 54 up to 58
do you think
This is Jesus' words, and you believe Jesus words trumps your words,
or
you will rather
contradict yourself with
This scripture
THAT TELLS ABOUT HOW
GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY
declares
CHRISTJESUS is God "

thats why
we said this things again
read all the written bible version
regarding
John chapter 8 verse 54 up to 58
coz all the writting shall tell you the same exact result
(except the book of mormons as you've mention before becaused we dont used that kind of book as the standard of learning when it comes to christjesus
meaning
you assuming to much that is
if we may say so)

meaning
it is you who failed to show some proof
regarding unto your own arguments
coz
You havnt proved any of that
verses from the bible itself to be wrong


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godbless
unto all always

You havnt proved any of that.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
John 8 had nothing to do with what I was talking about you sneaked it in and some are trying to do mental gymnastics and I don't even know what your talking about rambling about that scriptures not doing any good.
 

ukok102nak

Active Member
~;> alibi or what
coz now your not talkin nor sayin anythin that jesus is not a god
and
dont pretend to
don't even know what your talking about rambling about that scriptures not doing any good

perhaps you should read some of your post
then ask yourself first
why we have to ask you something that
you sneaked it in and some are trying to do a mental arguments not gymnastics
coz we cant bend the truth as what you did
from your post

Well I will depend on the bible( what your saying is theres no other writings from the time and or after that have any spiritual meaning outside of the bible, its nutty to me )
sense no other book on earth has any truth or meaning to you outside of the bible( by the way what bible? Catholic King James Book Of Mormon or Oxford?) I will refute what your saying sense scripture contradicts itself with another bible scripture.


This is Jesus' words, and I believe Jesus words trumps your words ,This scripture he declares he is not God "
16
Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
References for Matthew 19:16
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
References for Matthew 19:17
18 “Which ones?” he inquired. Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony,
References for Matthew 19:18
19 honor your father and mother,’Cross References
  • « 19:19 - Exodus 20:12-16; Deut. 5:16-20
  • ¬ 19:19 - Lev. 19:18
20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”
21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.

In other words its actions that save you not following the right religion, actions, give to the poor follow Jesus examples, nowhere ides it say in that's scripture you have to confess is God, it says the opposite. Why callest me Good? Only God is good, hes not God.
I posted Mathew 19 17 I don't what scripture that is your wrong.
For other persons named Yeshua, or other claimed transcriptions of Jesus, see Yeshua (disambiguation). For the person, teaching, and acts of Jesus, see Jesus and Historical Jesus. See also Names and titles of Jesus in the New Testament and Jesus in the

that's the definition of Yeshua in WIki. It means any of us ware teaching Messiah teachings are Yeshuas.So that was for all of us, its a way of teaching the messiah Movement. Was that Paul who wrote that? Didn't he go off cockeyed about the

John 8 had nothing to do with what I was talking about you sneaked it in and some are trying to do mental gymnastics and I don't even know what your talking about rambling about that scriptures not doing any good.

we dont deny your opinion even if
you say something such as
This is Jesus' words, and I believe Jesus words trumps your words ,This scripture he declares he is not God "
hes not God
.
I don't what scripture
Jesus legend anyways?
BUT UNFORTUNATELY YOU DID JUST POSTED A SCRIPTURE
THEN
MADE AN ARGUMENTS ABOUT IT
AND ALSO
WE ARE TALKIN ABOUT
THE WRITTEN WORDS OF GOD
and not only your words
THAT IS
if we may say so
AS WHAT WE'VE SEEN
NO MORE NO LESS


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godbless
unto all always
 
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