Curious? J.W.'s not permitted to post here?

Shak34 said:

With this particular site stating scripture is not as important as giving the Watchtower, Awake, Book that the rule/belief comes from. Quite a few of the rules have the JW articles/book sources sited.

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Well, with us, stating Scriptures are always important....they're the basis for all these beliefs! They make it seem as if these beliefs were just arbitrarily chosen....but that's far from the truth.

If they're gonna spend time and space posting the source, they should rather post the Scriptures that the belief is based on. But no, that might make some of them look reasonable. Heaven forbid. That would defeat the poster's objective.

~;> those verses were refering unto the commandments of god unto the israelits
Consequently, I said to the Israelites: “Youmust not eat the blood of any sort of flesh because the life of every sort of flesh is its blood. Anyone eating it will be cut off.
during that time
and
to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!

you were all been deceived by not
carefully keep to observed yourselves from these things that so called blood

eating bloods of animals and way much different from offering your blood
and
to make it more easier for you to understand
to save lives by means of blood
and not to shed innocent blood by means of offering it to the graven images or any creatures in this reality
or
by shedding man’s blood, by man will his own blood be shed,
for in God’s image He made man
as the saying goes on
see this verses and compare it unto the blood tranfusion to see the difference
as it is written
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Psalms 106:33
Because they provoked his spirit, so that he spoke without due consideration with his lips.
34 They did not destroy the nations, concerning whom the LORD commanded them:
35 But were mingled among the heathen, and learned their works.
36 And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them.
37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
38 And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.

now
perhaps you know the difference between
the written words of god
and
a system of biblical interpretation taught by man
as your false leaders now is still clingings to your false founder commandments
unto the jehova's witnesses congregation
who commanding their members in to your congregation to hide their hidden agenda and that hidden agenda is to used their members to fight for their false testimonies
so that they may
not to be exposed
AS WHAT YOUR DOING NOW AND
IT IS NOT RIGHT
and this are not all lies
for you were been even disregard the very commandment of christ
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John 15:12
"This is my commandment, that you love one another, even as I have loved you.
13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.

for in christ commandment is to love one another thats why he is giving an example of a situation on how to love one another and that is by saying this words
Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends

imagine laying down our own life for someone not even your family coz
christ used the term friends for if you cant even lay down your life unto your friends then how can you do it unto your family
as simple as that

also as simple as by reminding every generation not to cling unto
a system of biblical interpretation taught by man
is the very logic and common sense
For God to have repeated his command regarding the sanctity of blood to all of his worshippers down through history, it has to be a very important issue to him
coz some humans cant even used the very logic and common dense that god gave unto them
wouldn't you say
it is a good news or what

by the way
For us to have repeated to say this again regarding the sanctity of blood to all of god worshippers down through history, it has to be a very important issue to you
that cannot be taken by granted
so open up your eyes and stop defending your false leaders and the commandments of your false founder
who is not christjesus becaused
your false founder even disregard christ teachings about the sanctity of blood
which he used to save you all from sins before but you continually scorn christ
coz you all tend to believed to
your false founder and false leaders
rather than christjesus and his words


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godbless
unto all alway

Deeje said:

Who or what is :smoke:? You sound weirder every time you post. Are you one or are you several who all use the same strange language?
I will try to respond to what little I understand.



You may say whatever you like...it doesn't make it true. Its only a lie if you believe it is.



Jesus upheld his Father's laws. Laying down one's life for a friend, doesn't mean partaking of his blood to save your own life when you know it is against God's law.

Blood is not good medicine and never has been. You are mistaken. God's laws are always for our benefit.

Do you understand that God's prohibition on blood is commanded by God three times in the scriptures?

Genesis 9:3-6: To Noah God said....
"Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. Just as I gave you the green vegetation, I give them all to you. 4 Only flesh with its life—its blood—you must not eat. 5 Besides that, I will demand an accounting for your lifeblood. I will demand an accounting from every living creature; and from each man I will demand an accounting for the life of his brother. 6 Anyone shedding man’s blood, by man will his own blood be shed, for in God’s image He made man."

Again, in God's law to his chosen nation, Israel, Moses wrote....
Leviticus 17:13-14:
“‘If one of the Israelites or some foreigner who is residing in your midst is hunting and catches a wild animal or a bird that may be eaten, he must pour its blood out and cover it with dust. 14 For the life of every sort of flesh is its blood, because the life is in it. Consequently, I said to the Israelites: “You must not eat the blood of any sort of flesh because the life of every sort of flesh is its blood. Anyone eating it will be cut off."

And for Christians it was written in Acts 5:28-29:
"For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!”

For God to have repeated his command regarding the sanctity of blood to all of his worshippers down through history, it has to be a very important issue to him, wouldn't you say?

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Deeje said:

Shak, if you have questions then just ask them. What is posted from "the Watchtower, Awake, Book that the rule/belief" is taken out of context and without explanation. Would you like that to be done to you? Would you like your words twisted all out of shape with you given no opportunity to explain yourself?

The "rules" we live by are from the Bible, not from the Governing Body. If they were just the commands of men without backup from the scriptures, we would not follow them.

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Who really is the faithful and discreet slave who his master appointed over his domestics to give them food at the proper time?

The Jehovah's Witnesses take this most important scripture out of context and without explanation. Does Jehovah like that done to Jesus Christ?

Why do I say, "most important". It is because it comes as a QUESTION from the Lord himself. It is HIS question to answer but the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses answered it and they keep answering it. It has ONE answer. How many different ways has it been answered by the Jehovah's Witnesses?

First the answer came to a woman who seems to have not endured to the end to be saved. First it was her husband Russell. Then it was who? Was it Rutherford? At some time it was the 144,000, but no living person can be one of the 144,000 because the 144,000 exist in scripture ONLY in Heaven, Then it was only those who had the Watchtower written and now it is only governing body members. You do realize @Hockeycowboy that what they decide as food at the proper time they decide in secret? Has there ever been a transcript of their meetings made public? HOW do you know all seven agree? HOW do you know that the idea of the one that might have got rejected was not from Jehovah?

Hockeycowboy said:

Well, with us, stating Scriptures are always important....they're the basis for all these beliefs!

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Please be honest! The basis for the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses is what they believe Scripture says. Tell me, how is it possible that JWs
understand Scripture as it was meant to be though at the same time the book they think they know all and be all says of people, "their hearts are treacherous", and "every man a liar proves to be"?

How can Jehovah God blame anyone for not joining himself or herself to the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses when enough scriptures actually WARN us not to? Do you want them again? How much time do you have? How much time do I have?

Can Jehovah's Witness admit the obvious?

The 144,000 exist in Heaven. Correct? For anyone to get there he or she must "endure to the end" so they must be dead. Yes?
Or what does to endure to the end mean?
Endure how, the end of what?

In this system of things I think you can agree that a person must endure to the end of his LIFE to be considered indisputably saved.

Isn't it true that Jehovah's Witnesses put their faith in men who have not endured to their end?

Is it not obvious that the 144,000 ALL are people who no longer live on Earth and who endured in Christ till the end?

Tell me, did Christ exist before Jesus? If not, then WHO made people write God's truths that came to be the Bible? HOW did they do it?

~;> that is why
christjesus said this also
during the time when he is in the human form
as it is written
:read:
John 6:29
Jesus answered and said to them, This is the work of God, that you believe on him whom he has sent.

to make the story short
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John 6:38
For I came down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which has sent me, that of all which he has given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which sees the Son, and believes on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he said, I came down from heaven?
43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, Murmur not among yourselves.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which has sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that has heard, and has learned of the Father, comes to me.
46 Not that any man has seen the Father, save he which is of God, he has seen the Father.
47 Truly, truly, I say to you, He that believes on me has everlasting life.
48 I am that bread of life.

and to make the story more shorter
so as it is written
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John 6:59
These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said to them, Does this offend you?
62 What and if you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that vivifies; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak to you, they are spirit, and they are life.

believed in christjesus words
becaused christjesus was been tested to thats why he put those
wisdom and knowledge
literally and spiritually
unto his disciples
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1 John 4:1
Dear friends, don't believe all people who say that they have the Spirit. Instead, test them. See whether the spirit they have is from God, because there are many false prophets in the world.

1 John 4:2
This is how you can recognize God's Spirit: Every person who declares that Jesus Christ has come as a human has the Spirit that is from God.

probably this verses would somehow enlighten someone out there
if we may say so


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godbless
unto all always

I am not making this up. It is what is being taught to all of Jehovah's Witnesses and they must not refute it or they might be disfellowshipped.

They say that 144,000 is a real number of real people and no one who lived and died before Jesus died are of that number.
The ones who lived and died before Jesus wrote about Jesus and righteousness but they will not be kings and priests with Christ in Heaven.

The reason? It is written that Jesus made the way there so it did not exist for those that died before Jesus died.

They also believe in a real resurrection of real people from death.

Put these two together and we can see that they teach that Jehovah cannot raise someone who died before Jesus died to Heaven. Those people can only be raised to Earth, according to the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses.

[So, because it makes no sense at all, they have declared the internet is too dangerous for their people. - my opinion matters]



......and what is it? I think they have to stick with the teaching that the great prophets of old will never go to heaven because the governing body members can't hold a candle to those people and no one would believe that those people of the OT who actually HEARD from Jehovah will be silent while the Jehovah's Witness governing body search the scriptures for meaning. They can't be in the same class together. Even John the Baptist, who died before Jesus died, so who's going to tell him the bad news?.......said of Jesus, "I should be baptized by you".

I realize that I should be taught by those who actually did hear from God. Right?

As far as I know, the Jehovah's Witnesses and their governing body members have never confessed that anyone of them actually HEARS from Jehovah God.
They say the way they know anything is by searching the scriptures for meaning while being guided by The Holy Spirit.

Like the child's game "hot and cold".

Am I beating you up @Deeje?

Hockeycowboy said:

Well, with us, stating Scriptures are always important....they're the basis for all these beliefs! They make it seem as if these beliefs were just arbitrarily chosen....but that's far from the truth.

If they're gonna spend time and space posting the source, they should rather post the Scriptures that the belief is based on. But no, that might make some of them look reasonable. Heaven forbid. That would defeat the poster's objective.

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Again the scriptures are irrelevant in this instance. What is relevant is the ability to check and confirm or disconfirm whether the rule/belief is really what is taught. So by posting the source a person can check and then the org will give their scriptures for that belief. Actually posting sources is what makes people look more reasonable, remember research papers in school. There is a reason for in text citations.

Shak34 said:

Again the scriptures are irrelevant in this instance. What is relevant is the ability to check and confirm or disconfirm whether the rule/belief is really what is taught. So by posting the source a person can check and then the org will give their scriptures for that belief. Actually posting sources is what makes people look more reasonable, remember research papers in school. There is a reason for in text citations.

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And how many are going to take the time to look up the sources? It's much easier to find the Scriptures....especially on this site, where you can just touch / click on them!

Just wondering, re: our prior conversation, did you look up the information on those other accusations made in that post a month ago? I bet you didn't....see my point?

Seven men. One of them might have heard from Jehovah, but if the other six agree on another interpretation other than the one
that the seventh one heard, the governing body will go with the six, not with the seventh and everyone must be one mind with the six.

True or false?

It's a democracy at the top, isn't it?
It's a democratic republic for everyone else. Isn't it?

They call it a theocracy, but God isn't ruling because God isn't speaking, according to them.
The Bible rules them. That is a FACT.
But the Bible is just words to be presumed and the governing body is who tells us what they all mean so.........they rule so..............calling the JWs a theocracy is calling the governing body God.
I know they do that because I have left them and they believe I have left Jehovah.
Scripture seems to suggest that to leave Jehovah is not possible.

Hockeycowboy said:

And how many are going to take the time to look up the sources? It's much easier to find the Scriptures....especially on this site, where you can just touch / click on them!

Just wondering, re: our prior conversation, did you look up the information on those other accusations made in that post a month ago? I bet you didn't....see my point?

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Wow, bet you your wrong. Your point is moot.

savagewind said:

I am not making this up. It is what is being taught to all of Jehovah's Witnesses and they must not refute it or they might be disfellowshipped.

They say that 144,000 is a real number of real people and no one who lived and died before Jesus died are of that number.
The ones who lived and died before Jesus wrote about Jesus and righteousness but they will not be kings and priests with Christ in Heaven.

The reason? It is written that Jesus made the way there so it did not exist for those that died before Jesus died.

They also believe in a real resurrection of real people from death.

Put these two together and we can see that they teach that Jehovah cannot raise someone who died before Jesus died to Heaven. Those people can only be raised to Earth, according to the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses.

[So, because it makes no sense at all, they have declared the internet is too dangerous for their people. - my opinion matters]



......and what is it? I think they have to stick with the teaching that the great prophets of old will never go to heaven because the governing body members can't hold a candle to those people and no one would believe that those people of the OT who actually HEARD from Jehovah will be silent while the Jehovah's Witness governing body search the scriptures for meaning. They can't be in the same class together. Even John the Baptist, who died before Jesus died, so who's going to tell him the bad news?.......said of Jesus, "I should be baptized by you".

I realize that I should be taught by those who actually did hear from God. Right?

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~;> disfellowshipped what
what kind of accepting for humans to love one another
if they make rules such at that
coz it sounds really fishy and not only smelling
but also blackmailing
for even when being a member of that so called jehova's witness that you've been accepted as their fellows
then when you disagree to the commandments of those false leaders youll be disfellowshipped
even you follow the rules in the scripture from the bible itself
the written words of god

where is the freedom there
coz god gave us freedom and even that freedom is sometimes lead to disobeying and sometimes mocking him
just like what they done to christjesus
literally mock him and even disregarding his words
but
still his always there to forgive until those who done those things to him can realize his true existence
although those people done those terrible things to him must realize it as soon as possible before they go to sleep becaused every humans know that the life we have here as humans is definitely temporary thats why our lives here must be meaningful as being a good humans who respect each other and as lonng as possible we should not lie
or even deceiving others specially our selves

and also
they say they are jehova's witnessis
and even say jehovah is the name of the god
when and when
especially
when christ disciple tell this things before
as it is written
:read:
1 John 4:12
No one has ever seen God. If we love each other, God lives in us, and his love is perfected in us.

yeah No one has ever seen God. If we love each other, God lives in us, and his love is perfected in us.
thats why
christjesus baptizer in human flesh said this things before again
so as it is written
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John 1:18
No one has ever seen God. God's only Son, the one who is closest to the Father's heart, has made him known.
19 This was John's answer when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, "Who are you?"
20 John didn't refuse to answer. He told them clearly, "I'm not the Messiah."
21 They asked him, "Well, are you Elijah?" John answered, "No, I'm not." Then they asked, "Are you the prophet?" John replied, "No."
22 So they asked him, "Who are you? Tell us so that we can take an answer back to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?"
23 John said, "I'm a voice crying out in the desert, 'Make the way for the Lord straight,' as the prophet Isaiah said."

indeed
meaning those true disciples christjesus were the one who has the authority to tell the things that christjesus said during the time when he was in human form
coz they were with him and they know his words who believe in the written words of god itself
rather than those false leaders of religion today who clings unto
a system of biblical interpretation taught by man
and thats really a bad news

by the way
the good news is those true disciples of christjesus gave something for a thought unto all so that everyone may have a proper guidance
through the written words of god and
that is to
ask by means of scripture
so that those who self-proclamed themselves as prophets and apostles and
specially the leaders of religion today shall be expose if they were teachings the words of god
or
they only speaking from themselves

as they say
:read: (so as it is written)
John 7:17
If anyone desires to do his will, he will know about the teaching, whether it is from God, or if I am speaking from myself.
18 He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory, but he who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.


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ukok102nak said:

for even when being a member of that so called jehova's witness that you've been accepted as their fellows
then when you disagree to the commandments of those false leaders youll be disfellowshipped
even you follow the rules in the scripture from the bible itself
the written words of god
godbless
unto all always

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There is the problem. They believe that only the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses are allowed to know what
scripture means and that a person must follow God's Word their way. Any other way they call, "satan".

If I follow the wisdom of the scriptures the best that I can it won't be enough, according to them, I must follow with them their way to be found worthy
of the life that Jesus taught.

They use scripture to prove that point and many, many people are fooled by the way they use scripture.

savagewind said:

There is the problem. They believe that only the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses are allowed to know what
scripture means and that a person must follow God's Word their way. Any other way they call, "satan".

If I follow the wisdom of the scriptures the best that I can it won't be enough, according to them, I must follow with them their way to be found worthy
of the life that Jesus taught.

They use scripture to prove that point and many, many people are fooled by the way they use scripture.

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~;> what
If we follow the wisdom of the scriptures the best that we can it won't be enough, according to them, we must follow with them their way to be found worthy
of the life that Jesus taught
and
those false leaders of jehova's witnesses cant even answer any of our question that were base in the scripture itself

by the way
would you believed that some people in our group were not been able to
read or write properly
and those were the best there is
in our group


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godbless
unto all always

ukok102nak said:

~;> what
If we follow the wisdom of the scriptures the best that we can it won't be enough, according to them, we must follow with them their way to be found worthy
of the life that Jesus taught
and
those false leaders of jehova's witnesses cant even answer any of our question that were base in the scripture itself

by the way
would you believed that some people in our group were not been able to
read or write properly
and those were the best there is
in our group


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godbless
unto all always

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My first response is yes, but then I thought, what means "properly"?

You are reading my mind, I guess. I know how too! I was just thinking that those people who know how to write well, really do not say much. Do they?

LOL, lol, lol. I know how to read minds too!

savagewind said:

My first response is yes, but then I thought, what means "properly"?

You are reading my mind, I guess. I know how too! I was just thinking that those people who know how to write well, really do not say much. Do they?

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~;> see this verses
if we may say so
as it is written
:read:
Acts 4:13
After they found out that Peter and John had no education or special training, they were surprised to see how boldly they spoke. They realized that these men had been with Jesus.

1 Corinthians 1:27
But God chose what the world considers nonsense to put wise people to shame. God chose what the world considers weak to put what is strong to shame.

... . just for a thought
if we may say so . ...


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godbless
unto all always

Psalm 8:2
From the mouth of infants and nursing babes You have established strength Because of Your adversaries, To make the enemy and the revengeful cease.
Isaiah 44:25
Causing the omens of boasters to fail, Making fools out of diviners, Causing wise men to draw back And turning their knowledge into foolishness,
Jeremiah 8:9
"The wise men are put to shame, They are dismayed and caught; Behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, And what kind of wisdom do they have?

1 Corinthians 1:20
Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
1 Corinthians 1:21
For since in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not know Him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
James 2:5
Listen, my beloved brothers: Has not God chosen the poor of this world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom He promised those who love Him?

http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/1-27.htm

savagewind said:

LOL, lol, lol. I know how to read minds too!

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:smoke: you know how to read minds
my lady
then perhaps we could try your inner abilities if you want
for example
i :smoke: yeah its me
do i wear a t-shirt now or not
just say the truth
coz this is of many things that we could proved unto all that we are not liars

are you fine with this
my lady
if we may say so

. ... just askin
if we may say so ... .


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godbless
unto all always