Why is Revelation about "our" immediate future?

I think the whole thing is a revelation to the individual on their path. Even Christ's predicament is a myth of the seekers troubles.

e.r.m. said:

It is not at all about Zodiac signs and it is very deniable.

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Let me help you with your comprehension.. I said its "not" "all" about the zodiac, but what is, isnt deniable...
Unless your one of those without the ability to logically decipher what you read for yourself.
But hey, if thats you, than just stick to what your master tells you it says

e.r.m. said:

I've heard predictions since the 80s about the prophecies in Revelation coming to pass in the next couple of decades or so. I imagine since the Bible was first published and mass distributed that the public has always thought that the prophecies would come to pass in their immediate futures as well. I'm wondering, amongst those who believe that most of the prophecies in the Book of Revelation are yet to be fulfilled, why do they, or you, believe they were written about your near future? Even if most of the prophecies are yet to be fulfilled, why would they not be fulfilled 300 years from now? Why do we think it's about "us"? Why would the signs of the end times be any different now than they would be in the year 2250?
Thank you.

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The ^ above ^ is quite a lot to comment about.
Revelation is set for our day or now time frame - Revelation 1:10
We have yet to see Revelation 19:11; Revelation 19:14-16 come to pass.
Near future? Yes, because the global preaching work of Matthew 24:14 and Acts of the Apostles 1:8 is near completion.
Due to the remote translation offices throughout the Earth people can have Scripture in their own mother tongue or native languages.
So, due to modern technology rapid Bible translation is now internationally possible . That is why 300 years is way off. Perhaps maybe more like 3+ or -3 years.
We are nearing the ' final signal ' so to speak, of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when ' they ' ( powers that be ) will be saying, "peace and security" as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill.

Brian Schuh said:

Jesus in Mathew 24, said that that generation that heard his discourse would not pass away until all these things came to pass. In 70 C.E. people witnessed a man in the clouds with an army of angels on horses. Also people with spiritual bodies were seen coming out of graveyards in fulfillment of the last verse of Daniel 12. The Christian Millennium lasted from 70 C.E. to 1071 C.E. when Muslims took Jerusalem in the Crusades and has gone down in history books as the Christian Millennium. Revelation is already fulfilled. This is called preterism. St. John was writing about a crisis that occurred at the time he wrote the book. That's apocalyptic literature for you. He even was told, write what you see for it is soon to take place. This interpretation is called preterism.

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In 70 CE the Roman armies destroyed unfaithful Jerusalem, thus fulfilling the ' minor ' fulfillment of Matthew 24
The bigger or ' major ' fulfillment is set for our day or time frame - Revelation 7:14
After the great tribulation and Armageddon ( war to end all wars - Revelation 19:11; Revelation 19:14-16 ) there will be healing for earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
Jesus will fulfill God's promise to father Abraham that ALL families and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed. Blessed with the benefits of healing - Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18
Mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' for the healing of Earth's nations - Revelation 22:2

URAVIP2ME said:

The ^ above ^ is quite a lot to comment about.
Revelation is set for our day or now time frame - Revelation 1:10
We have yet to see Revelation 19:11; Revelation 19:14-16 come to pass.
Near future? Yes, because the global preaching work of Matthew 24:14 and Acts of the Apostles 1:8 is near completion.
Due to the remote translation offices throughout the Earth people can have Scripture in their own mother tongue or native languages.
So, due to modern technology rapid Bible translation is now internationally possible . That is why 300 years is way off. Perhaps maybe more like 3+ or -3 years.
We are nearing the ' final signal ' so to speak, of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when ' they ' ( powers that be ) will be saying, "peace and security" as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill.

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In 100-300 years, will rapid Bible translation no longer be internationally possible? Weren't the saying peace and security after the end of each major war and wouldn't they continue to do that after the end of each major war? What's different about today?

e.r.m. said:

In 100-300 years, will rapid Bible translation no longer be internationally possible? Weren't the saying peace and security after the end of each major war and wouldn't they continue to do that after the end of each major war? What's different about today?

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Yes, saying peace after wars, and now days even saying peace before a war or conflict is over.
Today, with backing the United Nations can be strengthened to be part of saying, 'Peace and Security' - 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3

Matthew 24:14 is about the end of badness on Earth coming when the good news about God's kingdom government reaches all nations. It now has.
Do you know anyone who has never heard of the Bible ?

URAVIP2ME said:

Yes, saying peace after wars, and now days even saying peace before a war or conflict is over.
Today, with backing the United Nations can be strengthened to be part of saying, 'Peace and Security' - 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3

Matthew 24:14 is about the end of badness on Earth coming when the good news about God's kingdom government reaches all nations. It now has.
Do you know anyone who has never heard of the Bible ?

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You actually have a good point. Matthew 24:14 is a good indicator.

e.r.m. said:

You actually have a good point. Matthew 24:14 is a good indicator.

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e.r.m.,
Notice that Matthew 24;14 says that the Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in all the earth, for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
As far as men are concerned this preaching has been accomplished, but it is to God's satisfaction that we continue to preach. All indications are that we are living in the very last of the last days!!! If we want to have much more of a future, we must get to know God well and obey the Lord Jesus Christ, 2Thessalonians 1:6-9, Luke 21:34,35.

If the 'End' = 'The Last', then the end could be differently construed.

Burl,
The Bible mentions the Last days several times, 2Timothy 3:1-7, 2Peter 3:3-7. At Matthew chapter 24, Mark chapter 13, Luke chapter 21, we have many signs to show us exactly when the last days are. Even though all these signs have been seen, to a small extent, in these Last Days we are living in, they cannot be mistaken, because each of these sign are of an unprecedented s magnitude. Consider Wars, there has been more people killed in wars in this generation than in all the years since Jesus walked the earth, and gave these signs. Major earthquakes are many times more than in all the time since Jesus walked the earth. Think about famine; there are millions that die every year because of famine, or diseases caused by famine. Many die, even from Hidden Famine, because of little nourishment in the food they can get.
I don't even need to mention pestilence!!! From the Spanish Influenza in 1918 to aids, with doctors being afraid of what pandemic will be next, and especially now since our medicines are becoming less and less effective.
When all these things and the things mentioned in Timothy, and everything mentioned being on an unprecedented scale, there can be no doubt that we are living in the Very last days of the Last Days.
Only those who know God well and obey the lord Jesus will survive The Great Tribulation that is soon to begin!!! 2Thessalonians 1:6-9, Revelation 19:11-21. AGAPE!!!

12jtartar said:

we have many signs to show us exactly when the last days are

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And they all read like "You will know that the last days are here when you find water is wet."

~;> same thing was been said before the sodoma at gomora was been downgraded unto ashes


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unto all always

e.r.m. said:

I've heard predictions since the 80s about the prophecies in Revelation coming to pass in the next couple of decades or so. I imagine since the Bible was first published and mass distributed that the public has always thought that the prophecies would come to pass in their immediate futures as well. I'm wondering, amongst those who believe that most of the prophecies in the Book of Revelation are yet to be fulfilled, why do they, or you, believe they were written about your near future? Even if most of the prophecies are yet to be fulfilled, why would they not be fulfilled 300 years from now? Why do we think it's about "us"? Why would the signs of the end times be any different now than they would be in the year 2250?

Thank you.

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Best answer I have is Israel becoming a nation again makes a lot of the prophecy more likely than it seemed before WW2.

We are close to achieving some of the prerequisites, like translating the Bible into every known language allowing the possibility of fulfulling the great commission in a way that was not possible when there were people groups that could not be effectively communicated with. One Hope is a ministry with the stated goal of reaching every child in the world with the Gospel and a projected date of about 2025 to achieve that goal. World-wide internet access has greatly enabled them to expand their reach.

As a more practical matter, God's key institutions are becoming far more apostate and corrupted. Marriage is being redefined even as gender is becoming a choice. The Church is becoming secular and embracing prosperity gospel (the worship of mamon?), and governments are either becoming secular and anti-religious or embracing Islam and becoming anti-Christ. These were the signs predicted and there are greater similarities between the world I see around me and the world Noah saw around him each year.

I am not ready to quit my job and stop paying my bills, because with God, anything is possible and we could have either a revival or another 1000 years of decline. But many of the signs indicate that the season is drawing near. How near? I don't know, but closer with each passing year than I would have though possible a decade ago.

12jtartar said:

there can be no doubt that we are living in the Very last days of the Last Days.
Only those who know God well and obey the lord Jesus will survive The Great Tribulation that is soon to begin!!!

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"The Last Days' is the House Specialty in the Restaurant at the End of the Universe... Now you survivors, please herd in the next batch of Seekers so that we may examine them by putting their principles to the test.

Kelly of the Phoenix said:

And they all read like "You will know that the last days are here when you find water is wet."

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Israel being restored as a nation in a single day was pretty specific and hardly something that you would mistake for something else ... it had also never happened before (that I am aware of). No nation ceased to exist and then was suddenly reborn after many centuries. However, the UN did exactly that. One moment there was no Jewish state, then at the stroke of a pen, it existed again.

I suspect that lots of people vanishing at the same instant will probably be another sign that will be hard to mistake for something else.

Israel barely existed when it DID exist. It couldn't go more than a couple of kings before devolving into a mess. If the CSA mongers ever get their way, the "South will rise again" and a country that lasted only a couple of years will exist again after a long period of time. In fact, I'm willing to bet most countries currently on the map today have not been countries all throughout their history, having been absorbed at various points by various other entities. Anyone who had been part of an empire for centuries and then regained independence could claim as much. And it's not like Israel became Israel again because of fate: Israel is propped up, in part, by fundamentalist Christians here in the US who NEED Israel to exist so that Big Bad Jesus can come riding in on his white horse and kill all the Jews and all those other nasty people who made baby Jesus cry that one time, even peoples who Jesus didn't even know existed. It's like when Jesus is sitting there crossing off his list of "prophecies": it's self-fulfilling because people like to make themselves out to be more important than they are.

And people have vanished mysteriously for as long as governments have helped with that thanks to whatever constituted their secret police force/military.

As I said, there are few, if any, real prophecies in the bible. I would say most fall under these categories:

1. Water is wet. Stating something obvious that exists just about in every generation and will continue to do so.
2. Revenge porn. Stating your enemies will be punished because you don't like them very much.
3. Oh, yeah, there was a prophecy. Stating there was a prophecy centuries after the event happened to make some character look wiser than they were.

Kelly of the Phoenix said:

As I said, there are few, if any, real prophecies in the bible. I would say most fall under these categories:

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Actually, you said "all" prophecies fall into the 'water is wet' category.

Kelly of the Phoenix said:

And they all read like "You will know that the last days are here when you find water is wet."

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atpollard said:

Best answer I have is Israel becoming a nation again makes a lot of the prophecy more likely than it seemed before WW2.

We are close to achieving some of the prerequisites, like translating the Bible into every known language allowing the possibility of fulfulling the great commission in a way that was not possible when there were people groups that could not be effectively communicated with. One Hope is a ministry with the stated goal of reaching every child in the world with the Gospel and a projected date of about 2025 to achieve that goal. World-wide internet access has greatly enabled them to expand their reach.

As a more practical matter, God's key institutions are becoming far more apostate and corrupted. Marriage is being redefined even as gender is becoming a choice. The Church is becoming secular and embracing prosperity gospel (the worship of mamon?), and governments are either becoming secular and anti-religious or embracing Islam and becoming anti-Christ. These were the signs predicted and there are greater similarities between the world I see around me and the world Noah saw around him each year.

I am not ready to quit my job and stop paying my bills, because with God, anything is possible and we could have either a revival or another 1000 years of decline. But many of the signs indicate that the season is drawing near. How near? I don't know, but closer with each passing year than I would have though possible a decade ago.

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Israel and translating the Bible into more languages are good points. Everything else has happened before.

David1967 said:

For one, I do not believe that it speaks of an immediate future. Jesus warned against people that taught such nonsense and said that no one knows not even the angels of heaven but only the Father knows. So anyone who is teaching a soon fulfillment of the book of Revelation or sets dates for the return of the Messiah (we all know certain groups are ninja masters at predicting the end) are talking foolishness.

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Jesus never warned us about prophecy that speaks about our immediate future. He simply told us that nobody knew the DAY or HOUR of his return, but for some reason, gave us several signs about the SEASON of his return. I would say that we are approaching the end.

metis said:

We know that the book of Revelation was pretty much understood after its writing as a book of victory over the oppression the early church faced particularly at the hands of the Romans. The symbols were both understood and real to them.

However, there was debate about the authorship of the book, even though it says "John on Patmos", and also the issue of the "millennial reign", which doesn't show up as a teaching in any gospel or even as part of the oral tradition.

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Your comment makes no sense to me for a few reasons. The Preterist movement CHANGED the dating of Revelation from 90-95 AD to 69-70 AD. It also makes no sense to me that John would write a prophetic book (in 69-70 AD) that we've broken down into 22 chapters, that had no time to be distributed, read, or even remotely understood, before its fulfillment. NOTHING was understood in the book of Revelation in 70 AD because it wasn't even written at that time. I have a problem with Preterism as it denies entire books, chapters, and hundreds of prophetic verses.

In Mathew 24:34 Jesus debunks the idea that Mathew 24 or Revelation was fulfilled in 70 AD...

So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

In this verse 34 Jesus said that the generation that sees the conditions and events mentioned in the entire chapter would NOT PASS until ALL the things mentioned in it are fulfilled. You would be hard pressed convincing me and many others that those events HAVE PASSED!