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What is the Sense, and Justification, in Calling Jesus "the Truth"?

Omega Green

Member
I'm aware of the expression in John's gospel; "I am the way the truth and the life, and no man come to the father but by me".

What i'd like to establish is the sense in calling a person "the truth"? - Does this simply mean to imply that Jesus was a truth-telling person? Because technically, "truth" is in dictionaries called things like "the true or actual facts of a case". Or as Schopenhauer said: "Truth is the reference of a judgment to something outside of it as its sufficient reason". Thus when we examine conventional definitions of the word "truth", they become incoherant (apparently) when applied to the descriptor of a person. To say "Jesus is the Truth" is similar a kind of statement to "Elvis Priestley is the State of Affairs". It's unclear what is actually been said here. With no reference to something outside of a thing as its cause or sufficient reason; simply calling Jesus "the Truth" doesn't really proclaim a single fact; so is it a worshippy thing, to say this of him? A product of liturgy in the gospel authorship?

Thanks for your time.

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Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I take the statement "Jesus is the Truth" as a more or less poetic way of expressing the notion that Jesus is deity. Of course, as pointed out in the OP, the meaning of this "Truth with a capital T" bears no resemblance to the meaning of "lower case truth", but then, poetry often uses words in unique ways.
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
I take the statement "Jesus is the Truth" as a more or less poetic way of expressing the notion that Jesus is deity. Of course, as pointed out in the OP, the meaning of this "Truth with a capital T" bears no resemblance to the meaning of "lower case truth", but then, poetry often uses words in unique ways.
But Sunstone; truth is like poetry.
 

ukok102nak

Active Member
~;> some people put that words of christjsus as a literally form of words that any human could think of
but the truth is those who think that way is misinformed
as it is written
:read:
John 6:63
It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.

so as it is written
:read:
John 14:23
Yeshua answered him, "If a man loves me, he will keep my word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him, and make our home with him.
24 He who does not love me does not keep my words. The word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me.


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godbless
unto all always
 
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ukok102nak

Active Member
~;> the truth is hidden in this reality
for humans could not perceived what is the truth behind on every human heart


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godbless
unto all always
 
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George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
What is the Sense, and Justification, in Calling Jesus "the Truth"?

I think because He was a representative of the path of brotherly love on earth and that path is in-line with the 'True' nature of the universe; that we are all an interconnected One. I say don't get too hung up on words that can only inadequately express the Truth. There are paths then and now going in all different directions but Jesus' was the True path intended by God.
 

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
Jesus is the subjective spiritual-religious truth experienced by devout Christians who actually embrace his teachings in a way that accurately reflect his archetypal attributes. Unconditional love, mercy, humility, compassion, forgiveness, redemption, deliverance, salvation, etc...
 

Hawkins

Well-Known Member
I'm aware of the expression in John's gospel; "I am the way the truth and the life, and no man come to the father but by me".

What i'd like to establish is the sense in calling a person "the truth"? - Does this simply mean to imply that Jesus was a truth-telling person? Because technically, "truth" is in dictionaries called things like "the true or actual facts of a case". Or as Schopenhauer said: "Truth is the reference of a judgment to something outside of it as its sufficient reason". Thus when we examine conventional definitions of the word "truth", they become incoherant (apparently) when applied to the descriptor of a person. To say "Jesus is the Truth" is similar a kind of statement to "Elvis Priestley is the State of Affairs". It's unclear what is actually been said here. With no reference to something outside of a thing as its cause or sufficient reason; simply calling Jesus "the Truth" doesn't really proclaim a single fact; so is it a worshippy thing, to say this of him? A product of liturgy in the gospel authorship?

Thanks for your time.

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Let me put it this way for you. For the sake of argument we assume that Jesus is the truth. Then how this truth reach humans? Your argument here is more like that since you don't feel that a claim is effectively confirmed to you such that it can't be a truth?

A truth stands a truth whether or not you can receive it correctly.
 

meghanwaterlillies

Well-Known Member
I take the statement "Jesus is the Truth" as a more or less poetic way of expressing the notion that Jesus is deity. Of course, as pointed out in the OP, the meaning of this "Truth with a capital T" bears no resemblance to the meaning of "lower case truth", but then, poetry often uses words in unique ways.
That was capital T cool note
 

Omega Green

Member
"A truth stands a truth whether or not you can receive it correctly."

Thus, by implication you wish me to suppose that Jesus stands as Jesus whether or not I can receive that correctly? Fair enough; i'm just trying to get at the attribute responsible for Jesus being called "the truth".
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
We are all One in what is called God, or what I prefer, the Source, the story of Jesus is our story also, Jesus personified the Source, or his connection with the Source, we have to stop putting the man Jesus up on a pedestal, and become that which he himself recognized within himself, that being the Christ.
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
I'm aware of the expression in John's gospel; "I am the way the truth and the life, and no man come to the father but by me".

What i'd like to establish is the sense in calling a person "the truth"? - Does this simply mean to imply that Jesus was a truth-telling person? Because technically, "truth" is in dictionaries called things like "the true or actual facts of a case". Or as Schopenhauer said: "Truth is the reference of a judgment to something outside of it as its sufficient reason". Thus when we examine conventional definitions of the word "truth", they become incoherant (apparently) when applied to the descriptor of a person. To say "Jesus is the Truth" is similar a kind of statement to "Elvis Priestley is the State of Affairs". It's unclear what is actually been said here. With no reference to something outside of a thing as its cause or sufficient reason; simply calling Jesus "the Truth" doesn't really proclaim a single fact; so is it a worshippy thing, to say this of him? A product of liturgy in the gospel authorship?

Thanks for your time.

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I don't know, but if that sentence was said in Hebrew or Aramaic and there was no "and" separating the word "the way" and the word "the truth", it probably should have been translated as "the true way".
Edit: Although I do see that the Syriac Pe****ta does put in the "and".
 
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ukok102nak

Active Member
~;> for Jesus being called"the truth"
becaused he is the messia
and this is one of many verses that will prove it
as it is written
:read:
And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah's son.
If ye will not have faith,
surely ye shall not be established.'
And HaShem spoke again unto Ahaz, saying:
'Ask thee a sign of HaShem thy G-d: ask it either in the depth, or in the height above.'
But Ahaz said: 'I will not ask, neither will I try HaShem.'
And he said: 'Hear ye now, O house of David: Is it a small thing for you to weary men, that ye will weary my G-d also?
Therefore HaShem Himself shall give you a sign: behold, the young woman shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Curd and honey shall he eat, when he knoweth to refuse the evil, and choose the good.


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godbless
unto all always
 

Thanda

Well-Known Member
Jesus is the subjective spiritual-religious truth experienced by devout Christians who actually embrace his teachings in a way that accurately reflect his archetypal attributes. Unconditional love, mercy, humility, compassion, forgiveness, redemption, deliverance, salvation, etc...

Nothing against this wonderful list of attributes you have provided - but I would also like to add to it: justice, judgement, knowledge and virtue.
 
Name in Hebrew means one's character. If you don't have access to this info just look at Exodus 34:6&7. Moses asked God his name and God told him his character. Jesus said in John 5:43, that he came in the name of the Father.

The Jews asked for a pagan god at Mount Sinai, so God obliged them. If you read Deuteronomy 18:15-19 you'll see Moses writing about the fact that Jesus would come in the future because the Jews couldn't wrap their minds around a god that was so different than the pagan gods they had been led to believe in. Jesus told the Pharisees:
JOHN 5 : 46 "If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me."

The Jews asked not to hear his voice or see the fire (God's appearance) anymore (Deut 18:16). God had Isaiah prophecy this in Isaiah 6. This is why you'll find that the Jews(not just Jews, but all religions) are unable to see the truth at the present time. Isaiah asked for how long and God answered until everything is in ruins. Basically the final days. There is a time coming when everyone will hear the real gospel and not the lies that have been spread by churches.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I'm aware of the expression in John's gospel; "I am the way the truth and the life, and no man come to the father but by me".

What i'd like to establish is the sense in calling a person "the truth"? - Does this simply mean to imply that Jesus was a truth-telling person? Because technically, "truth" is in dictionaries called things like "the true or actual facts of a case". Or as Schopenhauer said: "Truth is the reference of a judgment to something outside of it as its sufficient reason". Thus when we examine conventional definitions of the word "truth", they become incoherant (apparently) when applied to the descriptor of a person. To say "Jesus is the Truth" is similar a kind of statement to "Elvis Priestley is the State of Affairs". It's unclear what is actually been said here. With no reference to something outside of a thing as its cause or sufficient reason; simply calling Jesus "the Truth" doesn't really proclaim a single fact; so is it a worshippy thing, to say this of him? A product of liturgy in the gospel authorship?

Thanks for your time.

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You like that one, you'll like this one. Jesus was the living word of God. The word made flesh and dwelt among us. (John 1:14) I would take it to mean, Jesus is saying he is the truth. Men can't claim to be the truth, no matter what they say they will do, something could go wrong. But Jesus, being God in the flesh, can fulfill his promises with absolute certainty.
 

Omega Green

Member
Hmmm well Kemosloby that sounds very hopeful of you. I think the verse is sort of poetic, and I doubt it's a direct quote rather strongly. I think that, if you were an Elvis Priestley fan and you owned all of his records, even decades after his death you could have visions of him appearing to you in your own home. Now there have been certain Elvis fans that will state that Elvis has appeared to them and that this was also "the truth", - so do you agree with them also? We're much better at record keeping today than people were in the pre-scientific age of the 1st century roman empire! I don't claim to be or call myself "the truth" because my views are emendable to additional facts or counter-arguments, I can say that I love the truth though, and that I will seek it.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Hmmm well Kemosloby that sounds very hopeful of you. I think the verse is sort of poetic, and I doubt it's a direct quote rather strongly. I think that, if you were an Elvis Priestley fan and you owned all of his records, even decades after his death you could have visions of him appearing to you in your own home. Now there have been certain Elvis fans that will state that Elvis has appeared to them and that this was also "the truth", - so do you agree with them also? We're much better at record keeping today than people were in the pre-scientific age of the 1st century roman empire! I don't claim to be or call myself "the truth" because my views are emendable to additional facts or counter-arguments, I can say that I love the truth though, and that I will seek it.
Keep on seeking
 
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