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Does the OT apply to modern day gentiles?

ukok102nak

Active Member
I already know all this context, but at the same time, you have to consider the context of the question, etc. The question 'as is', is not going to give any good answer to the original query. So, the semantics are sort of pointless.

~;> not at all
as we base our observation unto our surroundings as it is probably where the question gets its idea from the very beginning

the surroundings means a lot to us
even with different opinions and perspective we learn from it by askin
some question

hope you get our point
and by the way just hold on unto that
good things inside you coz that is the most precious thing who cannot lie

as they say
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God ? and ye are not your own;


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godbless
unto all always
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
~;> not at all
as we base our observation unto our surroundings as it is probably where the question gets its idea from the very beginning

the surroundings means a lot to us
even with different opinions and perspective we learn from it by askin
some question

hope you get our point
and by the way just hold on unto that
good things inside you coz that is the most precious thing who cannot lie

as they say
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God ? and ye are not your own;


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godbless
unto all always
Dunno, that could be a riddle, or as I would interpret it, have a different meaning. What your suggesting could be akin to possession, if you think about it
 

ukok102nak

Active Member
:smoke: Seeing therefore it remains that some should enter therein, and they to whom the good news was before preached failed to enter in because of disobedience,
he again defines a certain day, "Today," saying through David so long a time afterward (just as has been said),
"Today if you will hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts."
For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day.
There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
For he who has entered into his rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from his.
Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience.
For the word of God is living, and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart.


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godbless
unto all always
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
:smoke: Seeing therefore it remains that some should enter therein, and they to whom the good news was before preached failed to enter in because of disobedience,
he again defines a certain day, "Today," saying through David so long a time afterward (just as has been said),
"Today if you will hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts."
For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day.
There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
For he who has entered into his rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from his.
Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience.
For the word of God is living, and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart.


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godbless
unto all always

nothing against Sabbath keepers, / that means Sunday Sabbath keepers contextually, however, it isn't quite my thing /the strict Sabbath.
If you really wanted an argument, Jesus breaks the Shabbat left and right in the Scripture.
 

ukok102nak

Active Member
nothing against Sabbath keepers, / that means Sunday Sabbath keepers contextually, however, it isn't quite my thing /the strict Sabbath.
If you really wanted an argument, Jesus breaks the Shabbat left and right in the Scripture.


:smoke: somewhere during those time
it was interpreted as a literal sabbath and not the kind of thing which is spiritual
as it is written
:read:
Revelation of John 21:22
I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God, the Almighty, and the Lamb, are its temple.
23 The city has no need for the sun, neither of the moon, to shine, for the very glory of God illuminated it, and its lamp is the Lamb.
24 The nations will walk in its light. The kings of the earth bring their splendorj into it.
25 Its gates will in no way be shut by day (for there will be no night there),
26 and they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it so that they may enter.
27 There will in no way enter into it anything profane, or one who causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.

as we could compare this verses unto this writtings
:read: (so as it is written)
Exodus 32:30
It happened on the next day, that Moses said to the people, "You have sinned a great sin. Now I will go up to the Lord. Perhaps I shall make atonement for your sin."
31 Moses returned to the Lord, and said, "Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made themselves gods of gold.
32 Yet now, if you will, forgive their sin-and if not, please blot me out of your book which you have written."
33 The Lord said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

now
:read: (again this is about christjesus and the sabbath)
Matthew 12:2
But the Pharisees, when they saw it, said to him, "Behold, your disciples do what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath."
3 But he said to them, "Have not you read what David did, when he was hungry, he and his companions;
4 how he entered into the house of God, and ate the show bread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for those who were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath day, the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are guiltless?
6 But I tell you that something greater than the temple is here.
7 But if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,'
you would not have condemned the guiltless.
8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."


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godbless
unto all always
 
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muhammad_isa

Well-Known Member
Well he didn't.

You really know nothing about Judaism. Quite funny.
I don't think I want to know .. all I can see here is arrogance..

So, I presume what you are saying is that Hashem prescribed His religion just for Israelites?

Dream on .. you think that God is a racist?
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
I don't think I want to know .. all I can see here is arrogance..
...says the guy who is unwilling to admit that a Jew might know more about Judaism than himself.

So, I presume what you are saying is that Hashem prescribed His religion just for Israelites?

Dream on .. you think that God is a racist?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noahidism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_to_Judaism

Honestly. You spent a lot of time arguing with me about what Jewish phrases mean considering how much you seem to actually know about Judaism.
 

muhammad_isa

Well-Known Member
Judaism can't be race based, because you can convert into Judaism.
Well that's fine .. so what did @Flankerl mean?

I said:
if Judaism is the religion that God has prescribed for mankind..
Flankerl said:
Well he didn't..

Either God prescribed "the law" for certain people or He prescribed it for anybody
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I personally don't believe the OT or any out dated Scriptures apply today, they were written for people of that time. We have come a long way from there and learnt much more than they could ever have known, truth can not be imprisoned in any mere book, it is ever flowing, we need to flow with the truth writing our own truth within our own hearts.
Because so many are stuck in the past believing that the old out dated truth is the truth and nothing but the truth, we have so many arguing over who has the truth, when in truth no one has the truth, well not from some out dated book, the truth can only be truth when it comes from within, not without.
Yes we all need to grow up spiritually and stop believing in out dated second-hand stories that was meant for a backward past of backward thinking people.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
:smoke: somewhere during those time
it was interpreted as a literal sabbath and not the kind of thing which is spiritual
as it is written
:read:
Revelation of John 21:22
I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God, the Almighty, and the Lamb, are its temple.
23 The city has no need for the sun, neither of the moon, to shine, for the very glory of God illuminated it, and its lamp is the Lamb.
24 The nations will walk in its light. The kings of the earth bring their splendorj into it.
25 Its gates will in no way be shut by day (for there will be no night there),
26 and they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it so that they may enter.
27 There will in no way enter into it anything profane, or one who causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.

as we could compare this verses unto this writtings
:read: (so as it is written)
Exodus 32:30
It happened on the next day, that Moses said to the people, "You have sinned a great sin. Now I will go up to the Lord. Perhaps I shall make atonement for your sin."
31 Moses returned to the Lord, and said, "Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made themselves gods of gold.
32 Yet now, if you will, forgive their sin-and if not, please blot me out of your book which you have written."
33 The Lord said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

now
:read: (again this is about christjesus and the sabbath)
Matthew 12:2
But the Pharisees, when they saw it, said to him, "Behold, your disciples do what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath."
3 But he said to them, "Have not you read what David did, when he was hungry, he and his companions;
4 how he entered into the house of God, and ate the show bread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for those who were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath day, the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are guiltless?
6 But I tell you that something greater than the temple is here.
7 But if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,'
you would not have condemned the guiltless.
8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."


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godbless
unto all always

This is just a list of verses, where's the argument? I'm not even sure what your position is
 

muhammad_isa

Well-Known Member
No, the 'laws' apply to those practicing Judaism. If you converted into Judaism, then those laws apply to you. If you are a ''non-Jewish'', person such as myself, and are a monotheist, /i am, YHWH, and not practicing some other religion /im not,, then one could be a Noahide. That's basically non-judaism but related to the Scripture and theology/Judaic. Hence, you dó not even have to convert to Judaism, to be ók'with Judaism, /if you care about that./

Yes, thanks for that .. much better than the other 2 .. they only seem to have sarcastic replies

I would like to ask where Hashem prescribes Noahide as a religion? Or is it a man-made thing .. eg. I don't really care whether you follow truth or not, because it's my religion etc.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Yes, thanks for that .. much better than the other 2 .. they only seem to have sarcastic replies

I would like to ask where Hashem prescribes Noahide as a religion? Or is it a man-made thing .. eg. I don't really care whether you follow truth or not, because it's my religion etc.

G-d prescribes the precepts that are in line with Noahidism, yes, in my opinion. Now, that does not mean that i think that those of other religions are doing something ''wrong'', /not necessarily.
Any religious 'label' ,is a man made thing. It's descriptive of the religious ideas and adherences being described. That in itself does not mean that the ideas/adherences are man made, though.
 
Absolutely, in fact understanding why it does can ultimately effect your eternity. In order to understand what the Mark of The Beast is, you must understand God's relationship with his people all the way back even before the fall of man and entrance of sin, in the garden of Eden. You read and understand this in Genesis which is part of the old testament. Revelation tells us that ultimately in the end times there will be 2 groups of people: A) Those who take the Mark. B) Those who are sealed by God. The OT helps greatly in understanding what the Mark of the Beast even is.
I talk about this a lot on my YouTube Channel, However this video in particular I think will completely explain what significance the Old Testament has on God's people in these last days, because it reveals what The Mark of The Beast is. And It's probably not what you think.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
I would like to ask where Hashem prescribes Noahide as a religion? Or is it a man-made thing .. eg. I don't really care whether you follow truth or not, because it's my religion etc.

It's ''prescribed'' in the Bible.. now, how many verses should i quote? The Covenant with the descendants of Noah is pretty clear
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member

ukok102nak

Active Member
This is just a list of verses, where's the argument? I'm not even sure what your position is

~;> we stand as one
to what is good and who cannot lie
and this is one of many reason why we could say this is true indeed
as it is written
:read: (as it like the scripture is telling you something about the message that is sending unto your heart and soul)

Luke 13:10
He was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath day.
11 Behold, there was a woman who had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and she was bent over, and could in no way straighten herself up.
12 When Yeshua saw her, he called her, and said to her, "Woman, you are freed from your infirmity."
13 He laid his hands on her, and immediately she stood up straight, and glorified God.
14 The ruler of the synagogue, being indignant because Yeshua had healed on the Sabbath, said to the multitude, "There are six days in which men ought to work. Therefore come on those days and be healed, and not on the Sabbath day!"
15 Therefore the Lord answered him, "You hypocrites! Does not each one of you free his ox or his donkey from the stall on the Sabbath, and lead him away to water?
16 Ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan had bound eighteen long years, be freed from this bondage on the Sabbath day?"
17 As he said these things, all his adversaries were disappointed, and all the multitude rejoiced for all the glorious things that were done by him.
18 He said, "What is the Kingdom of God like? To what shall I compare it?
19 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and put in his own garden. It grew, and became ac tree, and the birds of the sky lodged in its branches."
20 Again he said, "To what shall I compare the Kingdom of God?
21 It is like yeast, which a woman took and hid in three measuresd of flour, until it was all leavened."

22 He went on his way through cities and villages, teaching, and traveling on to Jerusalem.
23 One said to him, "Lord, are they few who are saved?"
He said to them,

24 "Strive to enter in by the narrow doore , for many, I tell you, will seek to enter in, and will not be able.
25 When once the master of the house has risen up, and has shut the door, and you begin to stand outside, and to knock at the door, saying, 'Lord,f open to us!' then he will answer and tell you, 'I do not know you or where you come from.'
26 Then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.'
27 He will say, 'I tell you, I do not know where you come from. Depart from me, all you workers of iniquity.'
28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets, in the Kingdom of God, and yourselves being thrown outside.
29 They will come from the east, west, north, and south, and will sit down in the Kingdom of God.
30 Behold, there are some who are last who will be first, and there are some who are first who will be last."


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godbless
unto all always
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
So the question remains, unwilling or incapable to just click two links?

I mean sure the links were posted by a dirty kuffar (even worse a yahud) but the links themselves are not dirty.
There seems to be a theme here about him not trusting Jews when it comes to Judaism.
I guess that's why he didn't go with a simple "Oh really? I didn't know that." Way back in the beginning.
Maybe its because we are too prideful to admit we don't know anything about our own religion.
 
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