Clear prophecy in the Bible about prophet Muhammad

InvestigateTruth · Sep 3, 2016

mojtaba said:
In that Hadith Abd only means salve, not servant and Quran and other Hadiths prove this.

Quran strongly rejects you.
Quran says that Jesus was only the srevant of God, not God or Lord Himself,
Chapter Mary,
And it is not appropriate for the Most Merciful that He should take a son. (92) There is no one in the heavens and earth but that he comes to the Most Merciful as a servant. (93)

Lol. Imam Ali was 30 years younger than Prophet Muhammad, not 2 yrs. So, that saying does not make any sense.

Prophet Muhammad said, ' O my God, you are my Lord, there is no god but You. You created me and I am your servant.(اللهم انت ربي لا اله الا انت. خلقتني و انا عبدك) '( See, Jamalul Osboo', P.199 )

But Baha'ullah said, ' Certainly, there is no god but Myself( انه لا اله الا انا ) '.( See, Athari Qalami A'la by Baha'ullah, V.1, Tablet 39 )
And Pharaoh, like Baha'ullah, said (Quran 79:24-25): And [Pharaoh] said, "I am your most exalted Lord!" So Allah seized him with the punishment of this life and the Hereafter.

Good luck!

The Hadith from Imam Ali, was a sign regarding, the Two Manifestation after Islam. The Bab was 2 years yonger than Bahaullah.

If you think Bahaullah claimed to be God incarnated, Obviously you are reading Bahai Scriptures out of context and disregading other parts of Bahai Scriptures. Good luck.

I Quote from Bahaullah, Book of Iqan:

Were any of the all-embracing Manifestations of God to declare: “I am God!” He, verily, speaketh the truth, and no doubt attacheth thereto. For it hath been repeatedly demonstrated that through their Revelation, their attributes and names, the Revelation of God, His name and His attributes, are made manifest in the world. Thus, He hath revealed: “Those shafts were God’s, not Thine!”136 And also He saith: “In truth, they who plighted fealty unto thee, really plighted that fealty unto God.”137 And were any of them to voice the utterance: “I am the Messenger of God,” He also speaketh the truth, the indubitable truth. Even as He saith: “Muḥammad is not the father of any man among you, but He is the Messenger of God.”138 Viewed in this light, they are all but Messengers of that ideal King, that unchangeable Essence. And were they all to proclaim: “I am the Seal of the Prophets,” they verily utter but the truth, beyond the faintest shadow of doubt. For they are all but one person, one soul, one spirit, one being, one revelation. They are all the manifestation of the “Beginning” and
the “End,” the “First” and the “Last,” the “Seen” and “Hidden”—all of which pertain to Him Who is the innermost Spirit of Spirits and eternal Essence of Essences. And were they to say: “We are the servants of God,” this also is a manifest and indisputable fact. For they have been made manifest in the uttermost state of servitude, a servitude the like of which no man can possibly attain. Thus in moments in which these Essences of being were deeply immersed beneath the oceans of ancient and everlasting holiness, or when they soared to the loftiest summits of divine mysteries, they claimed their utterance to be the Voice of divinity, the Call of God Himself. Were the eye of discernment to be opened, it would recognize that in this very state, they have considered themselves utterly effaced and nonexistent in the face of Him Who is the All-Pervading, the Incorruptible.

InvestigateTruth · Sep 3, 2016

Servant_of_the_One1 said:
May Allah forgive u!

Ali r.a would never utter such kufr statement!

It is in Shia Hadithes. Have you read them?

Those who differentiate between God and Messengers are unbelievers. Did you know?

URAVIP2ME · Sep 3, 2016

The Tiger of Islam said:
6 For thus saith the Lord of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land;
7 And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the Lord of hosts.
8 The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the Lord of hosts.
9 The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the Lord of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the Lord of hosts.
Haggai 2 (KJV)
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Sir Godfrey Higgins is an archaeologist, Freemason and Fellow of the Society of Antiquaries, humanist, social reformer, and author of various esoteric and now-rare books.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfrey_Higgins

He states in his book (anacalypsis) -Page 679- about the desire of all nations on Haggai 2:7 which pronounced HAMDAH in Hebrew:

"HMD, From this root, the pretended prophet mohammed or mohamet had his name, here Mohammed is expressly foretold by haggai ,and by name , there is no interpolation here . there is no evading this clear text and its meaning."

Source: https://books.google.com.eg/books?id=-sNBAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA679&hl=ar#v=onepage&q&f=false

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John Parkhurst was an English academic, clergyman and BIBLICAL LEXICOGRAPHER lived on 17th century.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Parkhurst_(lexicographer)

He said in his book "An Hebrew and English Lexicon: Without Points p.217" about prophecy of Haggai 2:7 (And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come):

THE DESIRE OF ALL NATIONS:

"From this Root the pretended Prophet Mohammed, or (according to our corrupt pronunciation) Mahomet, had his name"

Source: https://books.google.com.eg/books?id=OhwWAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA217&dq=from+this+root+the+pretended+prophet+mohammed,+or,+according+to+our+corrupt+pronunciation&hl=ar&sa=X&ei=CvnjUaqeNIb8OcudgYgH&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=from this root the pretended prophet mohammed, or, according to our corrupt pronunciation&f=false

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Moreover, Haggai 2:9 is clearly pointing another house will be greater than the former house (The temple of Jerusalem that was destroyed) ... This verse is obviously pointing the sacred house of God in Mecca.

"in this land will I give peace": Jerusalem did not know peace in history, but Mecca is the safest land on the world. No wars touched Mecca in its history !!

Here Muhammad peace be upon him is prophesied by name according to western archelogists and biblical lexicographers. In addition, the prophecy of the latter house of God in the safe land Mecca is great confirmation of this clear prophecy.

In Scripture, Haggai 2:6-8; Haggai 2:9 is in corresponding or parallel cross reference to:
Isaiah 34:4
Jeremiah 4:24
Joel 3:16
Hebrews 12:26
Isaiah 2:2
Isaiah 60:5
Isaiah 60:11
Revelation 7:9
Exodus 40:35
1 Kings 8:11
Isaiah 66:12
1 Chronicles 29:14
Psalms 24:1
Isaiah 60:13
Isaiah 66:12
Hebrews 3:6
Psalms 85:8
Isaiah 2:4
Zechariah 8:12
John 14:27

URAVIP2ME · Sep 3, 2016

loverofhumanity said:
It's like the verse that says the seed of Abraham will inherit the world which is a spiritual not a worldly inheritance.

Yes, ' seed ' ( singular ) was God's promise to father Abraham at Genesis 22:18; Genesis 32:12
That singular ' seed ' ( offspring ) proved to 'Isaac' - Genesis 21:12; Genesis 17:16-18; Genesis 17:19; Genesis 17:21
ALL families of Earth would be blessed through 'Isaac' - Genesis 12:3
Not only spiritual, but then literal healing for earth's nations - Revelation 22:2

mojtaba · Sep 3, 2016

loverofhumanity said:
God is free to speak to us directly if He so chooses. He is God. He does as He pleases. And we have no right to question His choice.

Baha'u'llah was not the essence of God and clearly denied being God but God sometimes spoke in the first person through Baha'u'llah. Sometimes the command Say came before a statement.

"When I contemplate, O my God, the relationship that bindeth me to Thee, I am moved to proclaim to all created things ‘verily I am God!’; and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay!” -Baha'u'llah

Certain ones among you have said: ‘He it is Who hath laid claim to be God.’ By God! This is a gross calumny. I am but a servant of God Who hath believed in Him and in His signs… My tongue, and My heart, and My inner and My outer being testify that there is no God but Him, that all others have been created by His behest, and been fashioned through the operation of His Will…. I am He that telleth abroad the favors with which God hath, through His bounty, favored Me. If this be My transgression, then I am truly the first of the transgressors….”

Lol.
So, Allah was imprisoned? Baha'ullah directly talked about himself and the word 'imprisoned(المسجون)' clearly proves this. Baha'ullah said the following when he was imprisoned,
He said,' There is no god but myself who is imprisoned and alone( انه لا اله الا انا المسجون الفرید ) '
(See, http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/Q1/q1-231.html#pg226)

loverofhumanity · Sep 3, 2016

mojtaba said:
Lol.
So, Allah was imprisoned? Baha'ullah directly talked about himself and the word 'imprisoned(المسجون)' clearly proves this. Baha'ullah said the following when he was imprisoned,
He said,' There is no god but myself who is imprisoned and alone( انه لا اله الا انا المسجون الفرید ) '
(See, http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/Q1/q1-231.html#pg226)

It is not possible to imprison God so that is not the meaning of that passage which I have to see in official English translations to comment.

In another passage speaking about the Jews Baha'u'llah clearly says the Hands of God are not chained.

Thus hath the King of eternal glory referred in His Book to the words uttered by those wanderers in the vale of remoteness and error: “‘The hand of God,’ say the Jews, ‘is chained up.’ Chained up be their own hands; And for that which they have said, they were accursed. Nay, outstretched are both His hands!” “The hand of God is above their hands.” Although the commentators of the Qur’án have related in divers manners the circumstances attending the revelation of this verse, yet thou shouldst endeavor to apprehend the purpose thereof. He saith: How false is that which the Jews have imagined! How can the hand of Him Who is the King in truth, Who caused the countenance of Moses to be made manifest, and conferred upon Him the robe of Prophethood—how can the hand of such a One be chained and fettered?

mojtaba · Sep 3, 2016

InvestigateTruth said:
The Hadith from Imam Ali, was a sign regarding, the Two Manifestation after Islam. The Bab was 2 years yonger than Bahaullah.

If you think Bahaullah claimed to be God incarnated, Obviously you are reading Bahai Scriptures out of context and disregading other parts of Bahai Scriptures. Good luck.

I Quote from Bahaullah, Book of Iqan:

Were any of the all-embracing Manifestations of God to declare: “I am God!” He, verily, speaketh the truth, and no doubt attacheth thereto. For it hath been repeatedly demonstrated that through their Revelation, their attributes and names, the Revelation of God, His name and His attributes, are made manifest in the world. Thus, He hath revealed: “Those shafts were God’s, not Thine!”136 And also He saith: “In truth, they who plighted fealty unto thee, really plighted that fealty unto God.”137 And were any of them to voice the utterance: “I am the Messenger of God,” He also speaketh the truth, the indubitable truth. Even as He saith: “Muḥammad is not the father of any man among you, but He is the Messenger of God.”138 Viewed in this light, they are all but Messengers of that ideal King, that unchangeable Essence. And were they all to proclaim: “I am the Seal of the Prophets,” they verily utter but the truth, beyond the faintest shadow of doubt. For they are all but one person, one soul, one spirit, one being, one revelation. They are all the manifestation of the “Beginning” and
the “End,” the “First” and the “Last,” the “Seen” and “Hidden”—all of which pertain to Him Who is the innermost Spirit of Spirits and eternal Essence of Essences. And were they to say: “We are the servants of God,” this also is a manifest and indisputable fact. For they have been made manifest in the uttermost state of servitude, a servitude the like of which no man can possibly attain. Thus in moments in which these Essences of being were deeply immersed beneath the oceans of ancient and everlasting holiness, or when they soared to the loftiest summits of divine mysteries, they claimed their utterance to be the Voice of divinity, the Call of God Himself. Were the eye of discernment to be opened, it would recognize that in this very state, they have considered themselves utterly effaced and nonexistent in the face of Him Who is the All-Pervading, the Incorruptible.

The sayig, ' I am two years yonger than my Lord (rab) ' which you attribute it to Imam Ali( who is pure from such this silly things ), is not in Shia authentic books. This saying is indeed the saying of a Sufi, i.e. Sheikh Abul Hasan Kharaqani( See, Loma'at p.102 ). So, your saying is out of context.

Baha'ullah obviously said that he, himself is God. Allah could not be imprisoned. So, the ff is about Baha'ullah himself.
Baha'ullah directly talked about himself and the word 'imprisoned(المسجون)' clearly proves this. Baha'ullah said the following when he was imprisoned,
He said,' There is no god but myself who is imprisoned and alone( انه لا اله الا انا المسجون الفرید ) '
(See, http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/Q1/q1-231.html#pg226)

mojtaba · Sep 3, 2016

loverofhumanity said:
It is not possible to imprison God so that is not the meaning of that passage which I have to see in official English translations to comment.

In another passage speaking about the Jews Baha'u'llah clearly says the Hands of God are not chained.

Thus hath the King of eternal glory referred in His Book to the words uttered by those wanderers in the vale of remoteness and error: “‘The hand of God,’ say the Jews, ‘is chained up.’ Chained up be their own hands; And for that which they have said, they were accursed. Nay, outstretched are both His hands!” “The hand of God is above their hands.” Although the commentators of the Qur’án have related in divers manners the circumstances attending the revelation of this verse, yet thou shouldst endeavor to apprehend the purpose thereof. He saith: How false is that which the Jews have imagined! How can the hand of Him Who is the King in truth, Who caused the countenance of Moses to be made manifest, and conferred upon Him the robe of Prophethood—how can the hand of such a One be chained and fettered?

Do not lie. Whenever you do not have any answer, you falsely say that the translation is not correct. Lol. If you are right, show me the official English translation.

المسجون = jailed, imprisoned. See, https://translate.google.com/#ar/en/المسجون

InvestigateTruth · Sep 3, 2016

mojtaba said:
The sayig, ' I am two years yonger than my Lord (rab) ' which you attribute it to Imam Ali( who is pure from such this silly things ), is not in Shia authentic books. This saying is indeed the saying of a Sufi, i.e. Sheikh Abul Hasan Kharaqani( See, Loma'at p.102 ). So, your saying is out of context.

Baha'ullah obviously said that he, himself is God. Allah could not be imprisoned. So, the ff is about Baha'ullah himself.
Baha'ullah directly talked about himself and the word 'imprisoned(المسجون)' clearly proves this. Baha'ullah said the following when he was imprisoned,
He said,' There is no god but myself who is imprisoned and alone( انه لا اله الا انا المسجون الفرید ) '
(See, http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/Q1/q1-231.html#pg226)

That Hadith is found in Bihar, which is a Shia Source. Anyways, even if it was in other sects of Islam source, it would not be proved to be false.

As regards to Bahaullah saying, this was already replied in my previous post when I underlined Bahaullahs quote. Obviously you did not read it.

Jesus also said whoever has seen Me, has seen the Father.
Due to these sayings, Christians say Jesus is God.
The proper way to understand the scriptures is to get the whole message, by accepting the whole revelation, and not just one quote, and ignoring other parts. It seems, you are simply ignoring other quotes of Bahaullah which He clearly rejects being God Himself.

mojtaba · Sep 3, 2016

InvestigateTruth said:
That Hadith is found in Bihar, which is a Shia Source. Anyways, even if it was in other sects of Islam source, it would not be proved to be false.

Do not lie. This saying is the saying of a Sufi, not Imam Ali. It is not in Bihar Al-Anwar. Like Baha'ullah, easily attribute your fake hadiths to Bihar Al-Anwar.

InvestigateTruth said:
As regards to Bahaullah saying, this was already replied in my previous post when I underlined Bahaullahs quote. Obviously you did not read it.

Jesus also said whoever has seen Me, has seen the Father.
Due to these sayings, Christians say Jesus is God.
The proper way to understand the scriptures is to get the whole message, by accepting the whole revelation, and not just one quote, and ignoring other parts. It seems, you are simply ignoring other quotes of Bahaullah which He clearly rejects being God Himself.

Lol, God could be imprisoned?!
Baha'ullah said the ff when he was in prison, 'There is no god but myself who is imprisoned and alone( انه لا اله الا انا المسجون الفرید ) '
(See, http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/Q1/q1-231.html#pg226)

InvestigateTruth · Sep 3, 2016

mojtaba said:
Do not lie. This saying is the saying of a Sufi, not Imam Ali. It is not in Bihar Al-Anwar. Like Baha'ullah, easily attribute your fake hadiths to Bihar Al-Anwar.

Lol, God could be imprisoned?!
Baha'ullah said the ff when he was in prison, 'There is no god but myself who is imprisoned and alone( انه لا اله الا انا المسجون الفرید ) '
(See, http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/Q1/q1-231.html#pg226)

According to this site it is in Bihar:

http://www.al-milani.com/farsi/qa/qa.php?cat=40&itemid=1296

If you have not understood the concept of Manifestation of God, you should read Bahaullah's own explanation, and the Analogy of Mirror, described in Some Answered Questions.

Also read Quran. It say Allah through stones. Even though it was Muhammad who did! Does Allah through stones? lolllll.

loverofhumanity · Sep 3, 2016

mojtaba said:
Do not lie. Whenever you do not have any answer, you falsely say that the translation is not correct. Lol. If you are right, show me the official English translation.

المسجون = jailed, imprisoned. See, https://translate.google.com/#ar/en/المسجون

I'm only stating that I require the official translation in English for me to give a reply to your query.

We Baha'is only accept official translations from the Universal House of Justice. So I can only comment on an official translation I myself have access to which is only fair. Provide the official translation and we can discuss it.

Also, I posted passages where Baha'u'llah has said God's Hands are not chained or tied, and passages where He denies being God, and even a passage where he says He considers His Own self 'coarser than clay'. That is more than enough proof that Baha'u'llah considers Himself a Servant of God only

loverofhumanity · Sep 3, 2016

mojtaba said:
Lol.
So, Allah was imprisoned? Baha'ullah directly talked about himself and the word 'imprisoned(المسجون)' clearly proves this. Baha'ullah said the following when he was imprisoned,
He said,' There is no god but myself who is imprisoned and alone( انه لا اله الا انا المسجون الفرید ) '
(See, http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/Q1/q1-231.html#pg226)

God spoke to Muhammad in a cave. God's Voice can speak to His Prophets wherever they may be. It doesn't mean God is tied to that place.

God is not imprisoned in a jail or confined to a cave but that is where He chose to reveal His Words.

Are you saying you forbid God to speak in a jail or a cave? God spoke to Moses through a Bush in the desert. So is God confined to a desert or is God a burning bush?

At different times God spoke to different Prophets in different places.

mojtaba · Sep 3, 2016

InvestigateTruth said:
According to this site it is in Bihar:

http://www.al-milani.com/farsi/qa/qa.php?cat=40&itemid=1296

That is in the footnote of Bihar Al-Anwar, not in the book itself, that a person has added it to the book without any route of the narrators. It is not in the book itself. See, http://andisheqom.com/public/application/index/printData?c=9822&t=qa
This clearly proves that a person has added the saying of that Sufi whom I mentioned, in the footnote of Bihar Al-Anwar.

InvestigateTruth said:
If you have not understood the concept of Manifestation of God, you should read Bahaullah's own explanation, and the Analogy of Mirror, described in Some Answered Questions.

Also read Quran. It say Allah through stones. Even though it was Muhammad who did! Does Allah through stones? lolllll.

Okay, I will read the interpretation of Quran by Abdul Baha who said,
, 'Both convex and concave mirrors focus light in a real point in which the power of burning is more than the fire!( http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/ab/SWA1/swa1-124.html#pg108)[ مانند آفتاب كه در مرآت مسطح تأثیر تام ندارد؛ ولی چون در مرآت مقعر یا در مرآت محدب تجلی نمـاید، جمیع حـرارت در نقطه‌ای جمع شـود و آن نقطه از آتش، حـرقتش بیشتر است] '

Lol! He did not know that convex mirror never focuses the light in a real point, so that it can not creat great heat!

mojtaba · Sep 3, 2016

loverofhumanity said:
God spoke to Muhammad in a cave. God's Voice can speak to His Prophets wherever they may be. It doesn't mean God is tied to that place.

God is not imprisoned in a jail or confined to a cave but that is where He chose to reveal His Words.

Are you saying you forbid God to speak in a jail or a cave? God spoke to Moses through a Bush in the desert. So is God confined to a desert or is God a burning bush?

At different times God spoke to different Prophets in different places.

You did not accepted the translation, what is happened that you now accept it? Is not it because you have found a [silly] interpretation for that saying?!

God created a voice in the burning tree and talked with Moses, but God did not say, 'I am in the tree', or the tree did not say that it is Allah. But Baha'ullah when he was in the prison, said that he is the only God whom is imprisoned in the prison!, He said, 'There is no god but Myself whom is imprisoned and alone'.

Imam Ali said, ' He(i.e., God) is not in any place so as to allow Him movement (from one place to another)[ Nahjul Balaqa, Sermon 91]. He also said, 'Place does not locate Him(i.e., God).'[ Nahjul Balaqa, Sermon 178 ]

loverofhumanity · Sep 4, 2016

mojtaba said:
You did not accepted the translation, what is happened that you now accept it? Is not it because you have found a [silly] interpretation for that saying?!

God created a voice in the burning tree and talked with Moses, but God did not say, 'I am in the tree', or the tree did not say that it is Allah. But Baha'ullah when he was in the prison, said that he is the only God whom is imprisoned in the prison!, He said, 'There is no god but Myself whom is imprisoned and alone'.

Imam Ali said, ' He(i.e., God) is not in any place so as to allow Him movement (from one place to another)[ Nahjul Balaqa, Sermon 91]. He also said, 'Place does not locate Him(i.e., God).'[ Nahjul Balaqa, Sermon 178 ]

No I never accepted the translation.

Until you can provide me with that exact passage in English officially authorised by the Universal House of Justice I am unable to make comment on that particular verse.

I clearly showed with other official translations on that topic that Baha'u'llah states God's Hands are not chained and never ever said God was imprisoned.

mojtaba · Sep 4, 2016

loverofhumanity said:
No I never accepted the translation.

Until you can provide me with that exact passage in English officially authorised by the Universal House of Justice I am unable to make comment on that particular verse.

Whenever I see such sayings of Baha'is, I say to myself, ' O Mojtaba, do not waste your time '.

The English translation is clear and correct. What can I do when Baha'is have translated their sources selectively?

Good luck! Be happy with your isolated knowledge.

Tumah · Sep 4, 2016

mojtaba said:
Whenever I see such sayings of Baha'is, I say to myself, ' O Mojtaba, do not waste your time '.

The English translation is clear and correct. What can I do when Baha'is have translated their sources selectively?

Good luck! Be happy with your isolated knowledge.

Can you also tell this to the OP who is messing around with the translation in his isolated knowledge?

Thanks.

mojtaba · Sep 4, 2016

Tumah said:
Can you also tell this to the OP who is messing around with the translation in his isolated knowledge?

Thanks.

Do you know that why I created the thread, God in Quran and Bible?

I created that thread to say, 'There is no need to find the prophecy about the last Messenger in a Book( Bible ) which is distorted and describes God as a being whom others can hide themselves from, and as a being that does not know where are his creatures( Adam and Eve ), and so on. Those who changed God to such this weak being, certainly changed the verses which were about the last Messenger of this God.'

Good luck!

Tumah · Sep 4, 2016

mojtaba said:
Do you know that why I created the thread, God in Quran and Bible?

I created that thread to say, 'There is no need to find the prophecy about the last Messenger in a Book( Bible ) which is distorted and describes God as a being whom others can hide themselves from, and as a being that does not know where are his creatures( Adam and Eve ), and so on. Those who changed God to such this weak being, certainly changed the verses which were about the last Messenger of this God.'

Good luck!

Well, then it would be great as a representative of your religion if you called out the OP about his foolishness, because so far we have only seen Muslims agreeing with him. I think as we see from your argument with our Baha'i friend, Just because your own text says something different, doesn't mean that what someone else's means. And if the person who can read it in its original language is telling you it doesn't say that, its ok to trust him. So for the sake of the impression your religion makes on people, I think it would be wise to argue with the OP on any grounds you have.

And also, although I don't think here is the place, I don't want my silence to be considered acquiescence. G-d forbid to say that G-d doesn't know everything about everyone and that someone could hide from Him. It doesn't mean what you are saying it means and this is obvious.

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