Terrorist kills Imam & assistent outside Mosque NY

Godobeyer · Aug 14, 2016

Shad said:
We are talking about motivates if you have forgotten.

This does not make your subjective opinion right or even worth considering.

Non-Muslim means nothing outside of Islam.

That was not my example and you know it. I said a Christian killing a non-Muslim for being a non-Muslim. This is pure nonsense. A Christian won't kill someone for being a non-Muslim as a motive. You dishonesty has been noted, again.

I have yet to see such a label stick without evidence towards a motive that is political.

Again this goes back to evidence of a motivate. You speculate on motives, nothing more.

I don't understand well your point.

Christian like all religion are just human not angels.there is exterm people in every religion.

I do believe in civil war or religious war the extremist had appears more.

We are discuss the label of crime depend the religion tag of criminal. in this issue.

Shadow Wolf · Aug 14, 2016

jeager106 said:
Explain how the WEST forced the Muslim world to form ISIS and Al Queda?

As far as modern history goes, it largely revolves around British imperialism, WWI, the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, new Middle Easter borders drawn by the British and French (and these new borders did put warring ethnic and sectarian groups together in one state), a sharp rise in nationalism in the area, continued Western meddling and interference, the nationalism giving way to the resurgence of Wahhabi and other extremist views, even more interference from the West and Russia, the emergence of Al Qaeda as a response, still more interference from the West, Al Qaeda attacked America, America overthrew Sadam and installed its own government, and out of the ashes of a broken Al Qaeda and failed Baath party emerged ISIS.

Shad · Aug 14, 2016

Godobeyer said:
I don't understand well your point.

This is due to you wanting to label everything as an act of terrorism without a reason beyond your opinion.

Christian like all religion are just human not angels.there is exterm people in every religion.

Irrelevant. My point was that Christians do not kill people because the victim was a non-Muslims.

I do believe in civil war or religious war the extremist had appears more.

With religion I agree. Probably for different reasons than you hold.

We are discuss the label of crime depend the religion tag of criminal. in this issue.

We have no information regarding the religion of the criminal nor if the religion in question holds or can be interpreted in a manner that motivates the criminal to kill for religious reasons.

MARCELLO · Aug 14, 2016

Godobeyer said:
So I am waiting, until they deliver the name

Not every hate crime is terrorism.

Remember the latest gay hate crime in USA by a muslim. It was noway a terrorism but a hate crime even though it was more brutal.

Shad · Aug 14, 2016

Shadow Wolf said:
As far as modern history goes, it largely revolves around British imperialism, WWI, the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, new Middle Easter borders drawn by the British and French (and these new borders did put warring ethnic and sectarian groups together in one state), a sharp rise in nationalism in the area, continued Western meddling and interference, the nationalism giving way to the resurgence of Wahhabi and other extremist views, even more interference from the West and Russia, the emergence of Al Qaeda as a response, still more interference from the West, Al Qaeda attacked America, America overthrew Sadam and installed its own government, and out of the ashes of a broken Al Qaeda and failed Baath party emerged ISIS.

A part of this argument fails as a lot these new areas (nations) existed as territory within the Ottoman Empire aka within one state previously. If anything this merely point to the Ottomans maintain control of the area while the west wanted to maintain control of the resources. Areas that had little economic value were not as a major interest.

MARCELLO · Aug 14, 2016

Godobeyer said:
despite I disagree with some of his views, but I think he has big courage to tells some truth sometimes.

USA: "Obama, he is the founder of ISIS" - Trump

Enemy of my enemy is my dearest brother...that you say......

But still very wrong ,having lived in many muslim countries,I dont hesitate to say that Obama is the most loved American among muslims.

Godobeyer · Aug 14, 2016

MARCELLO said:
Enemy of my enemy is my dearest brother...that you say......

But still very wrong ,having lived in many muslim countries,I dont hesitate to say that Obama is the most loved American among muslims.

maybe because he lived with Muslims and his middle name Hussein ?

Yes there is much disagreement about what happening n Syria , there many people still called what happening there a revolution against dictator, I call it war against terroristes.

Different angles made different thoughts .

columbus · Aug 14, 2016

According to AP’s report, members of the Bangladeshi Muslim community served by the mosque expressed fears that whoever killed the two men had targeted Muslims, and they called on authorities to treat the shootings as a hate crime.

Maybe this is an honor killing. Someone connected to a victim of Bangladeshi Muslims took revenge on the Bangladeshis he could get to with a gun.
Tom

The Emperor of Mankind · Aug 14, 2016

Godobeyer said:
despite I disagree with some of his views, but I think he has big courage to tells some truth sometimes.

USA: "Obama, he is the founder of ISIS" - Trump

I'm amazed that you expect people to take your position seriously if you agree with this bag of hot air. Obama didn't found Islamic State - that group emerged out of factionalised remnants of Al Qaeda.

It's well past time Muslims stopped placing the blame for everything wrong with the Muslim world on the West. In case you haven't noticed, there are Muslims who live in the ME too. Maybe how they act and speak should be subject to blame too?

Shadow Wolf · Aug 14, 2016

Shad said:
A part of this argument fails as a lot these new areas (nations) existed as territory within the Ottoman Empire aka within one state previously. If anything this merely point to the Ottomans maintain control of the area while the west wanted to maintain control of the resources. Areas that had little economic value were not as a major interest.

It doesn't fail because, factually, the British and French redrew the borders, and the continued interference and involvement of the West did spur a nationalist movement which did grow into a religious extremist movement which did lead to the problems we have today.

Godobeyer · Aug 14, 2016

A Greased Scotsman said:
I'm amazed that you expect people to take your position seriously if you agree with this bag of hot air. Obama didn't found Islamic State - that group emerged out of factionalised remnants of Al Qaeda.

It's well past time Muslims stopped placing the blame for everything wrong with the Muslim world on the West. In case you haven't noticed, there are Muslims who live in the ME too. Maybe how they act and speak should be subject to blame too?

I don't blame every Muslims problems to West.

I blame West ONLY for involve in Iraq and Syria and Iraq ,which made civil wars and terrorism .

fact ISIS benefit the situation in Syria and supplied weapons from West and kings of oil , It's does not matter directly or indirectly support .

Look at all the weapons the US gave to ISIS !

McBell · Aug 14, 2016

Servant_of_the_One1 said:
Rabbi Tumah, thats the wish of every zionist. However i reject zionist conspiracy to lable muslims as terrorists.

Your hypocrisy is showing.

You know absolutely nothing about hte gunman in this situation but you have already claimed he is not a Muslim and that he is a terrorist.
Interesting that YOU are thus far the only one I seen call the gunman a terrorist.

So now you are sitting back hoping the gunman is not a Muslim.
I understand your strategy.
If you are right you will sing your own praises to high heavens.
If you are wrong you will slither into a corner somewhere and hope no one remembers your track record.

Good luck.

Servant_of_the_One1 said:
For me the killer was 100% christian/jewish/atheist(doesnt matter what religion or thinking he was) terrorist.

Yes.
Truth, facts, reason, etc. matter not one bit so long as you get to scream your martyr sermons from the roof.

The_Fisher_King · Aug 14, 2016

jeager106 said:
Islam is at war with the rest of the world.

No. Islaam cannot be at war, or go to war, or for that matter be at peace, or make peace. That just doesn't really make sense. 'Muslims are at war with the rest of the world' makes rather more sense. Is that what you are saying?

FearGod · Aug 14, 2016

Godobeyer said:
Why media did not called this crime it terrorist attack !

Because the media is filthy and the filthy will serve the ....., choose what you want to fill in the line.

Godobeyer · Aug 14, 2016

FearGod said:
Because the media is filthy and the filthy will serve the ....., choose what you want to fill in the line.

and The media is deliver opinion between the lines.

tytlyf · Aug 14, 2016

Let's not forget that RW media lies daily about Obama creating the vacuum in Iraq by 'pulling out.' But you'll never hear RW media mention the fact that Bush and Iraq signed the SOFA agreement to pull the troops out when Obama did. Can't change that.

Dangerous media

jeager106 · Aug 14, 2016

Ya'quub said:
No. Islaam cannot be at war, or go to war, or for that matter be at peace, or make peace. That just doesn't really make sense. 'Muslims are at war with the rest of the world' makes rather more sense. Is that what you are saying?

Twist words anyway you like sir.
Dead is dead, violence is violence.
Miami Florida? W.T.C.? France? ad nauseam.
Jihad Report
Aug 06, 2016 -
Aug 12, 2016
Attacks48
Killed350
Injured330
Suicide Blasts
8Countries14

Violence that killed others by all other religions combined.
ZERO

The_Fisher_King · Aug 14, 2016

jeager106 said:
Twist words anyway you like sir.
Dead is dead, violence is violence.
Miami Florida? W.T.C.? France? ad nauseam.
Jihad Report
Aug 06, 2016 -
Aug 12, 2016
Attacks48
Killed350
Injured330
Suicide Blasts
8Countries14

Violence that killed others by all other religions combined.
ZERO

I ain't twistin' words. As you know, I have never denied that Muslims carry out these attacks, and do so far often at the moment than those of other faiths. Nor have I ever said that Islaam is a religion of peace.

So, what is your answer to my above question?

jeager106 · Aug 14, 2016

'Muslims are at war with the rest of the world' makes rather more sense. Is that what you are saying?

Appears so.
Why are Muslims at war with the "rest of the world"?

esmith · Aug 14, 2016

A terrorist act, IMO, is a act that instills terror into the population.
We see no further violence at the scene of the murder, so IMO, this was a direct attack against the person not an act of terrorism
Now nothing says that this was not a hate crime, but in hate crimes it is assumed that the attack would continue against any person or persons that the perpetrator felt animosity against. That is unless the perpetrator put flight above further actions.
Also nothing says that this crime was because of the victim's race, or religion nor does it say it wasn't.
So everyone can speculate the reason , but until the perpetrator is apprehend and is questioned (assuming they surrender) or evidence is brought forward I see no reason to speculate.
But if it makes you feel good to express yourself go ahead. But count me out.

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