Is it God's will when children are raped tortured, and murdered?

Nothing torments my mind more than hearing about children being sexually assaulted , tortured, and killed. What I find also slightly mind -boggling is how many Christians say "God never wills that should happen to anyone. "

How can a person really make such an argument? If you have a daughter that you knew from her birth was going to be slain by a serial killer.... You knew who the serial killer was, where he lived, you could have found ways to get him arrested or killed, or you could have moved to another state, and instead you just let it play out, then you clearly willed your daughter to be the prey of a serial killer.

If it was God's will that his own son (Jesus) be tortured, humiliated, and executed, it would be a bit of a stretch to assume he doesn't will such things to happen to his other children as well (just look at the fate of the early Christians ).

So, your prayer for your son or daughter may be that they become a missionary, have a big happy family, do well in school, stay safe and healthy etc. , but God may will they get murdered in high school.

If you let a terrorist into your house , knowing with 100% certainty that He will blow it up ( long in advance you knew where he stored his weapons and could have got him arrested) it is because it was your will he would blow up your house.

If God didn't want people to be tortured and murdered, then it wouldn't be happening every day, would not have happened to the prophets, the Apostles, the early Christians, or so many Christians today.

Paul, Jesus, and so many Christians counted it an honor to suffer and die for their Righteousness.
2 Corinthians 12:10
That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

Any thoughts?

Once again, If I am a Father, and someone is going to kill my child, and I know it will happen in advance, and I could arrange circumstances so that my child can escape , or restrain the man (Or get police to restrain him) and instead I let the person kill my child, it is because I willed it.

The people who crucified Christ were only fulfilling the method by which God wanted his son to be glorified. Scripture makes that clear.

John 12:23 ►
Jesus replied, "The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified (Crucified)...

But please... If you think im wrong about this, do share...thanks

Seems to me to be Satan's will.

No. "Will" implies something you consciously wish to come about or work to have come about. If you believe in the mainstream/traditional Christian definition of God, He never wills evil things for His creation. That's where free will comes into play. Our wills are free to pursue whatever goals we please, regardless of it aligns with God's or not. God does not want us to be robots and He expects us to do work, as well. How else will we ever learn and grow?

Similarly, just because God knows something will happen doesn't mean He supports it or otherwise wills it to happen. He just knows what choices you will make and He knew them before the universe was even created. But it's still you making said choices.

Is it God's will when children are raped tortured, and murdered?

I threw in a 'No' vote. God does not specifically will anything. Such things happen for a string of events and individual actions; most preceding and invisible to our knowledge.

Q. Is it God's will when children are raped tortured, and murdered?

A. In as much as god is aware of such acts (he's omniscient) and could stop them if he wished (he's omnipotent) but chooses not to (evinced by the fact that they happen), it's obviously it's his will that they take place.

So yes, it is god's will that children are raped, tortured, and murdered.


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Well in my opinion the so called god of the old testament is a cruel torrent , and a megalomania maniac, so yes he would allow all that to happen.

The All or the Highest, in its nature of being Infinite, has realized all potentialities simultaneously, and thus possesses no will whatsoever.

buddhist said:

The All or the Highest, in its nature of being Infinite, has realized all potentialities simultaneously, and thus possesses no will whatsoever.

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Yes he certainly has no will, or anything else in my opinion.

Saint Frankenstein said:

No. "Will" implies something you consciously wish to come about or work to have come about. If you believe in the mainstream/traditional Christian definition of God, He never wills evil things for His creation. That's where free will comes into play. Our wills are free to pursue whatever goals we please, regardless of it aligns with God's or not. God does not want us to be robots and He expects us to do work, as well. How else will we ever learn and grow?

Similarly, just because God knows something will happen doesn't mean He supports it or otherwise wills it to happen. He just knows what choices you will make and He knew them before the universe was even created. But it's still you making said choices.

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The problem is that if I know someone is being abused, even if I'm not related to the incidents, I can get in trouble for not acting upon my KNOWLEDGE. Why am I held to a higher moral standard than GOD?

psychoslice said:

Well in my opinion the so called god of the old testament is a cruel torrent , and a megalomania maniac, so yes he would allow all that to happen.

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The Old Testament God said He was repentant of killing off nearly everyone. It's the New Testament God who threatens to burn the whole place down without a single apology.

Hi Folks...

Such despicable things occur when people do NOT know the Will and Intent of my Father - for if they DID know Him then they would never have acted in such an evil manner..

And yes - as stated before by someone else -that "god" of the bible is despicable - stands by and allows it to happen - that is agrreement by proxy - condoning the act by not preventing it directly...Like turning a blind eye - its almost as bad as committing the act personally...

That one in the bible though - that is not my Father - the true God speaks directly to those with ears to hear and they need no religion to know His Will...Love the Innocent as your own Soul - protect and nurture them always..When we know the Father then such atrocious acts are not to allowed to happen or tolerated at all in our presence//

I believe the Bible makes it clear God is never responsible for wickedness. "It is unthinkable for the true God to act wickedly, For the Almighty to do wrong." (Job 34:10) Your questions appear similar to some recorded in the Bible: "How long must I ask for help from violence, but you do not intervene? Why do you make me witness wrongdoing? And why do you tolerate oppression? Why are destruction and violence before me? And why do quarreling and conflict abound?" (Habakkuk 1:2,3) Jehovah answered Habakkuk: "For the vision is yet for its appointed time, And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it! For it will without fail come true.It will not be late!" (Habakkuk 2:3) I believe Jehovah has an appointed time to call to account all the wicked, and bring relief to the righteous. The reasons he has tolerated wickedness until now are also revealed in the Bible.

Saying it's our fault alone due to free will is actually the cop out, denying God has any part in anything even though its simultaneously claimed he knew exactly what would happen and left people so blind and confused.

I 100% believe in God because of what I've witnessed... There are things I like and loath about him.... However, it could be that he's aware they will have an eternity of bliss and he wants them to suffer for their reward and they won't care about their suffering in their mansion above.

Meaning, the reward in the next life might make them glad they suffered a nightmare in this one

Isaiah 45:7. The problem here, imo, is that humans tend to place their values and definitions on a Deity that, by definition, is unfathomable. The God of Isaiah is telling us, again in my opinion, that He creates everything with neutrality; e.i., nothing is good or evil it just is. Having said that it has been left up to us to determine what is good and what is evil, and we do so on a continuous basis. Thankfully, most of the civilized world has deemed child rape/torture as evil and has taken steps to eliminate the acts and/or punish the culprits. Here's my analogy: Good and Evil are two sides of the same coin. We are constantly flipping that coin and it always lands standing on it's side. It's our choice to push it over to one side or the other.

PopeADope said:

Nothing torments my mind more than hearing about children being sexually assaulted , tortured, and killed. What I find also slightly mind -boggling is how many Christians say "God never wills that should happen to anyone. "

How can a person really make such an argument? If you have a daughter that you knew from her birth was going to be slain by a serial killer.... You knew who the serial killer was, where he lived, you could have found ways to get him arrested or killed, or you could have moved to another state, and instead you just let it play out, then you clearly willed your daughter to be the prey of a serial killer.

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This is another reason to abandon Biblical literalism. Clearly children can't break out of it. Its time to break some molds and answer some questions with more than "Its his mysterious ways."

PopeADope said:

If it was God's will that his own son (Jesus) be tortured, humiliated, and executed, it would be a bit of a stretch to assume he doesn't will such things to happen to his other children as well (just look at the fate of the early Christians ).

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Same as above. Your statement about God's will is entirely illogical yet completely relevant in a culture that takes Biblical literalism to extremes.

Goddess_Ashtara said:

I do not presume to understand the mind of God.

We are here, we experience free will and some measure of happiness as well as suffering... some more or less than others. The world is not fair and nor should it be.

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I am curious about that last bit...

Brickjectivity said:

This is another reason to abandon Biblical literalism. Clearly children can't break out of it. Its time to break some molds and answer some questions with more than "Its his mysterious ways."

Same as above. Your statement about God's will is entirely illogical yet completely relevant in a culture that takes Biblical literalism to extremes.

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It is relevant to Christian Theology...Im not saying I agree with it...though I can say that a lot of suffering ive been through has made me stronger, more compassionate, and less shallow-minded

PopeADope said:

It is relevant to Christian Theology...Im not saying I agree with it

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Mmmm....I'm not convinced of that. Christian Theology is a ball in play.

In my opinion I have heard christians say that "Things happen for a reason" if it is someone getting killed, getting raped, get diseases, or whatever.

Yes. And, no. It is also God's will when we aren't raped, tortured, or killed.