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A question for my Yankee neighbours

Wirey

Fartist
I'm curious as to how many of you think that Donald trump and Hillary Clinton represent the best option for both parties after the conventions. Are these two the cream of the crop as far as the total potential candidates go?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I forget who it was, but someone posted a link stating that only about 9% of the American population voted for either Clinton or Sanders. So the answer is, not many.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I'm curious as to how many of you think that Donald trump and Hillary Clinton represent the best option for both parties after the conventions. Are these two the cream of the crop as far as the total potential candidates go?
No and no.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'm curious as to how many of you think that Donald trump and Hillary Clinton represent the best option for both parties after the conventions. Are these two the cream of the crop as far as the total potential candidates go?
You ignorant ferriner.
You fail to understand that the nominating process is not about finding the best candidate.
Geeze Louise......it's like thinking the marathon is about finding the best weightlifter.
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
I'm curious as to how many of you think that Donald trump and Hillary Clinton represent the best option for both parties after the conventions. Are these two the cream of the crop as far as the total potential candidates go?
No, neither party has done a very good job (Hell, not even a decent job) of selecting candidates in the past several election cycles...in my opinion.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
No. I think they represent the worst both parties have to offer, which brings the question of how they both got the majority of their primary votes. :confused:
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
No. I think they represent the worst both parties have to offer, which brings the question of how they both got the majority of their primary votes. :confused:
In Hillary's case, it was organization: even though Bernie motivated a lot of people, he lacked the organization that Hillary has developed over the past 16-24 years, even dominating the DNC apparatus. Ever since Bill got elected, I'm fairly certain that their joint aim has been to become the first spousal team of presidents in the US.

In Trump's case, he's recognizable and actually has a personality. Despite lacking an organization, I think it was the fact that there were 16 other candidates, none of whom had effective control of either the RNC or much of anything else--he was able to move into what was essentially a power vacuum. He appealed to enough voters, while the rest divided the remainder of the vote.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
In an ideal world, we would've been looking at a Gary Johnson vs. Jill Stein election.

I don't know much about Jill Stein, but I heard her speak a little on the morning news couple of days ago. Some of her ideas seemed pretty sane. Sanity seems to be a rare commodity this cycle.
 
A lot of people I respect intensely dislike Hillary Clinton.

I don't love her, and don't entirely agree with her platform; she's not very charismatic; but I don't understand the hatred.

Aside from Benghazi, and the emails ... both of which I looked into, neither of which I found compelling ... as Bernie said "I'm tired of hearing about your damn emails" ... can someone please set me straight on why she is such a terrible person? I feel like I must be missing something.

I am also aware of her giving speeches to Wall Street firms and not disclosing the transcripts ... again, does not cause me to hate her more than most politicians. I looked into the allegation that she and Bill stole furniture from the White House and found that claim didn't hold water either ....

She flip flopped on gay marriage ... okay ... as did many politicians ...

The only claim against her character that I found really does hold water is she lied about being under sniper fire in Bosnia (I think it was Bosnia, anyway).

Perhaps, could a Democrat or liberal or Bernie supporter cite some examples / evidence for me?
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Well in the case of the Democrats, it is my opinion that the smart ones realized that the decision had been made that it was the Hillary's turn, that is all except Bernie, and they wisely did not want to bring the wrath of the establishment down on them and ruin their chances for future considerations. .
In the case of the Republicans it appears that they had a lot of contenders and that was the problem. They split the primary votes and Donald walked away with it.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
It's a case of which worse would do the least damage and get nothing
at all worthwhile accomplished in four years.:crossmark::crossmark:
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Well in the case of the Democrats, it is my opinion that the smart ones realized that the decision had been made that it was the Hillary's turn, that is all except Bernie,
Except that Sanders wasn't a Democrat when Billary let him run as one. I'm not sure he is one now, the proof is in the pudding. Can Sanders deliver enough voters to remain relevant to the Democrats?

Same with Trump. He isn't a Republican until he delivers for the GOP. It is not impossible, in theory.
Tom
 

Shad

Veteran Member
You ignorant ferriner.
You fail to understand that the nominating process is not about finding the best candidate.
Geeze Louise......it's like thinking the marathon is about finding the best weightlifter.

The process doubles as reality tv. Big Brothers: GOP had a great run.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Well in the case of the Democrats, it is my opinion that the smart ones realized that the decision had been made that it was the Hillary's turn, that is all except Bernie, and they wisely did not want to bring the wrath of the establishment down on them and ruin their chances for future considerations. .

Except that Sanders wasn't a Democrat when Billary let him run as one. I'm not sure he is one now, the proof is in the pudding. Can Sanders deliver enough voters to remain relevant to the Democrats?
Tom

But your statement has nothing to do with why only Hillary was running under the Democrats banner.
I assume you are joking when you implied that the Hillary "let" him, Sanders, run. But this goes to my point of why no other Democrat wanted (or was allowed :)) to run.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
But your statement has nothing to do with why only Hillary was running under the Democrats banner.
I assume you are joking when you implied that the Hillary "let" him, Sanders, run. But this goes to my point of why no other Democrat wanted (or was allowed :)) to run.

When you consider that the Super Delegates had it in the bag for Hillary, it seems that Bernie never had a chance.
 
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