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Hmmmmm.....

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
...No one told me it was Pentecost for you Christians, may the spirit of God descend on you all with the light of inspiration :)
 

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
Thank you. Yesterday was official Pentecost at our church. I was unable to attend the service, unfortunately but being Pentecostal...the Pentecost is something discussed throughout the year. :)
 

d.

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what's pentecost about again? i had the day off, but i realised i don't know why.
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
I guess it's in the debate section as it nobody was talking about it, and I wondered why. So kind of a debate (***stamps foot***) I don't like being out of the loop ;)
 

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
Truthfully, there's not much made over Pentecost in many Christian denominations ON the actual day of Pentecost.
 

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
Nehustan said:
Ohhh, I thought it was one of the most important days, I seem to recall it being.

Yes...as far as receiving the Holy Spirit...that's very much part of becoming a Christian...receiving the indwelling of the Holy Spirit...

As far as the actual DAY of Pentecost...it's not a day that all Christian denominations make a big deal over because in essence, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit or accepting Christ as your personal Savior (they go hand in hand) are events (for lack of a better word) focused on daily.

And...in addition to the receiving of the Holy Spirit...Pentecost was also the day when the apostles and others saw visions of tongues on fire...I believe and began speaking in tongues....not ALL Christian denominations fully embrace this as something that applies to us today...

My church does...
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
Am I right in recalling that at the moment that John baptised Jesus in the Jordan, the spirit (dove) descended upon him? If so this should be a very important day (i.e. Pentecost) as it means that effectively they became 'Christians' in the truest sense as the dove then descended upon them as it had on Jesus?
 

spacemonkey

Pneumatic Spiritualist
I'm no expert on this, but something seems to tell me it is the Pentecostals who make a big deal about the date of Pentecost. I went to Catholic school for several years in grade school (about 20 years ago) and I don't recall ever celebrating or even recognizing it for that matter. Of course it is summertime.....still, seems like my family would have recognized the date if it was an important one to the Catholic faith.
 

spacemonkey

Pneumatic Spiritualist
Nehustan said:
Am I right in recalling that at the moment that John baptised Jesus in the Jordan, the spirit (dove) descended upon him? If so this should be a very important day (i.e. Pentecost) as it means that effectively they became 'Christians' in the truest sense as the dove then descended upon them as it had on Jesus?

I thought pentecost was when the Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles.
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
spacemonkey said:
I thought pentecost was when the Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles.

Your right it is, what I meant is that the spirit descending on Jesus was an important stage in his ministry (Am I wrong?), and thus when the same event happened to the disciples, it was thus also a very important event?

(see it's turned into a debate ;))
 

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
Nehustan said:
Am I right in recalling that at the moment that John baptised Jesus in the Jordan, the spirit (dove) descended upon him? If so this should be a very important day (i.e. Pentecost) as it means that effectively they became 'Christians' in the truest sense as the dove then descended upon them as it had on Jesus?

This is when Christ promised us the Holy Spirit. We could not receive the Holy Spirit (this is Pentecost) until Christ's death and resurrection. (Guess why.)

The Holy Spirit Promised

"He said..."You have heard from Me: for John truly baptized with water but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."

Acts 1:4-5

Jesus Promises Another Helper (The Holy Spirit)

"If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father and He will give you another Helper that He may abide with you forever- the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you."

John 13:15-18

The actual DAY of Pentecost refers to the DAY in which the Holy Spirit fell upon the apostles and believers (as promised)...Christ had died and was resurrected when the actual Pentecost ocurred. Why? They received the Spirit of Christ on the Day of Pentecost, as promised.

"When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."

Acts: 2:1-4

Edit: Nehustan...actually, the scripture that I posted from Acts 1...refers to Christ's address AFTER he had died and was resurrected. After speaking...he ascended into heaven.

Christ's Baptism was important as this is when the Holy Spirit descended upon Christ...but this is isn't Pentecost...you could view it as a symbol of the beginning of the events that took place if you want to...but Pentecost couldn't happen until AFTER Christ's death.
 

spacemonkey

Pneumatic Spiritualist
Nehustan said:
Your right it is, what I meant is that the spirit descending on Jesus was an important stage in his ministry (Am I wrong?), and thus when the same event happened to the disciples, it was thus also a very important event?

(see it's turned into a debate ;))

Again, I'm no expert on the many variations of Christianity,but logic would seem to be that it is not the day that the Holy Spirit descended the Apostles that is important, but the day it descends upon you.
 

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
spacemonkey said:
I'm no expert on this, but something seems to tell me it is the Pentecostals who make a big deal about the date of Pentecost. I went to Catholic school for several years in grade school (about 20 years ago) and I don't recall ever celebrating or even recognizing it for that matter. Of course it is summertime.....still, seems like my family would have recognized the date if it was an important one to the Catholic faith.

We make a BIG deal about it ALL year long. When one accepts Christ as their Saviour...they receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. If they didn't receive the indwelling...they didn't receive Christ. And some Pentecostal churches believe that the outward sign of that indwelling to this day...is the sign of speaking in tongues or crying in joy...or a sudden onset of happiness...

I'm Pentecostal.
 
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