JesusBeliever
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I just wanna add quickly too then, that I think gehenna hell might be an internal experience, along with heaven!
So where were we?
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Let's Talk About the Holy Spirit
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So where were we?
We were inviting @Deeje to join us. I really like that lady! Mostly because she will talk to me. I love her!I just wanna add quickly too then, that I think gehenna hell might be an internal experience, along with heaven!
So where were we?
james2ko
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Having other gods before the true God can be forgiven and so can the sins of hypocrisy and self-righteousness. But the sin of blasphemy against the holy spirit, as you have also committed by suggesting the work of the holy spirit in my wife is the work of the devil, will not (Matthew 12:31-32).
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JesusBeliever
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May I just point out that the verse has a translation error and speaks of "neither in this age or the age to come".
The age after that being the resurrection (as in Resurrected Body like Christ) of the Just & the Unjust.
james2ko
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That translates to deeje being in big trouble.
JesusBeliever
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Yeah, but still hope for her brother!
And that could possibly be in your hands if you know what I mean?
"For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy." Romans 11:30-31
"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." Matthew 16:19
"For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!" Romans 11:32-33
As a Jehovah's Witness, I knew for a long time that the JWs were in trouble and I stayed anyway so that if anyone else knew it, I would be there for them. But it is a sin for the JWs to contradict the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses so finally I left after I discovered that at least one elder showed that he supported those causing trouble (the gb). I knew when it was written in a Watchtower publication that for as long as Jehovah provides $ for the printing of books and stuff that they would continue it. I knew Jehovah does not provide the things that they say Jehovah provides. And I knew that Jesus is not on the first horse of the apocalypse like they teach he is. I was actually excited for the new edition of the Revelation book, certain that the things needing fixing would be fixed. When I found out that what they fixed was their own history, my heart left the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses. I fear Jehovah as I am supposed too, still do, believe it or not, so it was many years until I left bodily.
JesusBeliever
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Can we 3 agree to pray for Deeje?:
"Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Matthew 18:19-20
james2ko
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The only way I can see her and the organization obtaining mercy is if they are sovereignly blinded by God (John 12:40). Their problem is, like the Pharisees, they think they are not blind, but can "see" (John 9:39-41)
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JesusBeliever
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I'm reminded of the Apostle Paul:
"And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief." 1 Timothy 1:12-13
The more I learn about the stronghold of the GB upon the minds and hearts of the JWs, the more my compassion grows for them. I know more about the Watch Tower than I am letting on but I've been hesitant to go there from concern that I'd be throwing myself in some really hot water! But I am willing if I must!
JesusBeliever
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On second thoughts, can we just pray! Coz it's Jesus that saves, not the knowledge of good and evil!
james2ko
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The difference between Paul and other Pharisees is Paul believed when Christ performed a miracle before his eyes. The Pharisees in John 9:39-40 did not.
JesusBeliever
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Maybe He will if we pray for her:
"This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting." 1 Timothy 1:15-16
I think that because the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses do what they do they cause Jesus to be more real and necessary to us. I know for certain that I need to rely 100% on him because what we got here is one big, evil mess. There would be no way I could know what is going on, had it not been for the Watchtower Major Folly.
The evil for the good. Something new, for sure.
The evil for the good. Something new, for sure.
james2ko
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Perhaps. Based on deeje's response to my wife's story, if God does perform a miracle, I'm afraid JW's will see it as the work of satan, as did the Pharisees.
Off to temple maintenance...Will chat more later..
JesusBeliever
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JesusBeliever
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"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from THE LOVE OF CHRIST? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from THE LOVE OF GOD, WHICH IS IN CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD." Romans 8:28-39
"To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus." Romans 3:26
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james2ko
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Means that mine is in the same boat
Your what is in the same boat?
djhwoodwerks
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Maybe WT reasoning, but not scripture reasoning.
If I may interject? I think she is referring to the miracles she has experienced.