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Are there many ways onto mountain to God?

Ody

Ody

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Only by showing faith in HaShem through love of ones fellow man, is heaven attainable, and for the non Jews, HaShem will accept the good and just and kind :)

That is what I sincerly believe. :D
 
finalfrogo

finalfrogo

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Yes, there are. This page is a PATHETIC attempt to "destroy" the pluralistic belief.

We have to be sure, that all ways really lead to God. Firstly it is good to notice, that if we regard as truth the preceding view about that all ways lead to God, it requires in principle one important matter. It requires, that we have to be conscious and sure, that all ways really lead to God. We have to then know, that they all really are equal and lead to the same goal.
However, a good question is, that how anyone can know the preceding matter? How can be sure, that all ways finally end to the same place, if we have not been yet on the peak and we don't know the situation there. Isn’t this viewpoint therefore founded only on philosophical preconception, which is difficult to prove true, because there is not any sure information of it?
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If none of us have climbed the mountain, then we can't be sure about any path at all. We can neither deduce whether there is multiple pathes, one path, or no paths. Therefore, even Christianity is put in question.

It is in conflict with most of religions. The second observation, which can be made of the preceding view, is, that how it suits together with different religions. For if it is thought that all religions are one and that they thoroughly represent the same matter, so why they however differ so much from each other? Why they teach about the basic matters, such as the number of gods and the way of salvation in a different way, if they really come from the same source?
Opposites or differences can be seen at least in the next matters. These opposites and differences also exclude each other, and they can’t be in any way simultaneously in force, even though else would be claimed - or then we should also see round squares and triangles and other peculiarities. It is impossible and rejection of logic, if it is tried to fit together the next matters:

- Either salvation is by mercy (the work of Jesus for us) or by acts (the most common comprehension in religions), but not by both simultaneously.

- When in Buddhism and Confucianism there are not any God (However later Buddhism started to adore himself Buddha), for example Islam, Judaism and Christianity teach existence of one God. These views can't be simultaneously in force. On the other hand, if there is no God such as for example in Buddhism is believed, how these kinds of ways teach can even take onto the peak to the same God?

- The view of life after death changes, so that for example in Buddhism and also in other religions is believed in heaven and hell, while in Hinduism people don’t believe in them. These views are opposites, and it is impossible, that these same matters are not, and are, simultaneously existing.

- Reincarnation (Hinduism, Buddhism) and non-reincarnation (Islam, Judaism, Christianity etc. ) can't be simultaneously in force.
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The beliefs are irrelevent; it doesn't matter what you need to believe to walk the path--even if you may believe in the wrong thing. Any path--not matter what stipulations it may employ--is a valid one as long as it reaches the summit.

It is Hinduism.
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Not by the contemporary definition of Hinduism... and even so, this doesn't prove the stipulation wrong... :confused:


The same view doesn’t bring assurance of salvation.
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Does anything bring "assurance"? There is an element of uncertainty in everything. (Indeed, even this statement harbors uncertainty.)
 
finalfrogo

finalfrogo

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Jayhawker Soule said:
Made no less so by your diatribe. Please preach elsewhere ... :rolleyes:
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I will not apologize for denouncing that which I find worthless. It is always known that such a view is personal. Beyond this, I have not preached--only corrected misunderstandings and acknowledged logical fallacies.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
"God divided himself into a myriad parts, that he might have friends. This may not be correct, but it's no sillier than any other theology." -- Rob't. A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love.
 
Abram

Abram

Abraham
The last thing you want to do is focus on ways not to get to God. This was never his intent. To even say this is judging for him. Ahhh! Stop please. Your wearing shoes way to big for your feet. Worry about the path he has laid before you and travel it, be accountable for your self. If someone see's you along the way and wants to travel with you bring him along. But don't bust down the door of all other religions saying "your not for God."

I don't think any of us have the right path and none of us our worthy. Not a single person on this RF site is on the "right way up the mountain to God."

Please remove the log from your eye before you point to the speck in everyone else's. Love and share what works for you and stop this anti love attempt to convert. You only give reasons not to believe in Christ.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
PetriFB said:
There can't exist many truths, but only one......which is that truth?....
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Our human inability to see the "bigger picture" inhibits our ability to see the broad nature of truth. We perceive truth in direct preportion to our perception of reality. Truth is much, much larger than any of us, either alone or collectively, can realize.
 
PetriFB

PetriFB

Member
Abram said:
The last thing you want to do is focus on ways not to get to God. This was never his intent. To even say this is judging for him. Ahhh! Stop please. Your wearing shoes way to big for your feet. Worry about the path he has laid before you and travel it, be accountable for your self. If someone see's you along the way and wants to travel with you bring him along. But don't bust down the door of all other religions saying "your not for God."

I don't think any of us have the right path and none of us our worthy. Not a single person on this RF site is on the "right way up the mountain to God."

Please remove the log from your eye before you point to the speck in everyone else's. Love and share what works for you and stop this anti love attempt to convert. You only give reasons not to believe in Christ.
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Man can't convert anybody .....but God can .......and is doing that .....
 
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