Sounds reasonable to me. Also Jesus ate his disciples. Its really not that strange, because people eat each other all the time.
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Jesus Did Not Die On A Cross
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Sirius Star
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Then why did you go there again? Just to pipe in? You are an illegal pagan. Christmas is Christian. All of the most deliberate teardowns. Always. Never stops. Now you are columbus. Small caps.
It figures. Once out it is right back in. Always grinding. Grind another axe then. There is only sadness without any ending. Only misery continues with such offerings. As long as there is plenty of commerce there will be no issues.
Uh oh @jeager106
Now you seem to resemble a long married f*gg*t who thinks gun owners are like snake handling Pentecostals
Tom
ETA ~and a Hillary supporter to boot~
VioletVortex
Well-Known Member
The crucifixion was documented by the Romans. It's extremely unlikely that his flesh was literally eaten. Any reference to that is most likely symbolic, the act of eating his flesh is symbolic for accepting his sacrifice.
Sirius Star
Member
You are clearly satanic. Your commitment to it. The constant disparaging of the Lord Jesus Christ. You even insult Pentecost? You can't repent. So instead you rant. What's so very typical is that it is almost the exact same dance. Now go make fun of that. Even the lambs.Uh oh @jeager106
Now you seem to resemble a long married f*gg*t who thinks gun owners are like snake handling Pentecostals
Tom
ETA ~and a Hillary supporter to boot~
Sirius Star
Member
As of course what he told his very own disciples is that they would be almost partaking in the death of Christ. The whole point was to kill every antichrist. And so for at least just that he died in part. The star of Bethlehem is that his star? The post above has declared war.
The Amorites are here. The main disparagers. Those with closed minds. Those with dead brain-cells. The exact same politics. It never leaves. It still ponders. The life hecklers. The spell spenders. The tax addicts. On another discussion board, they were discussing the drug runners and oh, ya, Hillary Clinton and all of those weapons. Just burn down all of those same remaining foundations.
The Book of Romans, French Corinthian columns. The vision of God on his thrones. That is he up se(a)ts all that is man's. Why especially the most manna-less. All of Israel's very own salvations. Nothing saved is nothing is still losing. The consistent insistence that Baphomet is to be for serving. Well of course right there at the Exodus while crossing. The most staunch insistence that God ever demanded blood sacrifice of others or animals a single time. So lay your head down.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
“Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble.”
― Joseph Campbell
― Joseph Campbell
Sister Cyber
Member
Perry the Platypus, I read your response but will not address it in this Discussion. I don't like repeating myself, but will just this once:
As a reminder, the "Did the Disciples Eat Jesus?" Discussion is here: http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/did-the-disciples-eat-jesus.187884/
You can open a new window (browser), copy/paste what you would like to address and we can talk about it there. Thank you.
Sister Cyber
Member
Please note that when referencing biblical texts, I prefer to use the King James Version because that is the earliest and closest translation of the original Hebrew texts to the English language that provides the most accurate translation than later revised, edited and diluted versions.
jeager106, I am assuming you would like the verses which indicate that Jesus did not die on a cross. I can provide the text of the canonical gospel stories to bring to your awareness that none of the writers of those tales indicated that he died on the cross, but that in fact, they *do* each indicate that theywitnessed his astral body separating from his hanging physical body (for the first time to the general public) when he, as each described, "gave up the ghost." First, I’d like to remind you that in those days it took several days for criminals to die on the cross, as is explained in more detail in my Post #23 of the Discussion (on Page 2).
The gospel according to mark (15:37-41) reads as follows: "And Jesus cried with a loud voice, AND GAVE UP THE GHOST. And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom. And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God. There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Mag'dalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salo'me; who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him; and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem."
This is what was written in the gospel according to matthew (27:50-56): "Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, YIELDED UP THE GHOST. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God. And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him: Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedees children."
This is from Luke 23:46-49: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, HE GAVE UP THE GHOST. Now when the centurion saw what was done, he glorified God, saying, Certainly this was a righteous man. And all the people that came together to that sight, beholding the things which were done, smote their breasts, and returned. And all his acquaintance, and the women that followed him from Galilee, stood afar off, beholding these things."
Finally, this is what john said in his gospel (19:25-30): "Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cle'ophas, and Mary Mag'dalene. When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home. After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst. Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a sponge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth. When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, AND GAVE UP THE GHOST."
Do you know what it means when it is written that they saw him "give up the ghost"? They watched his spirit leave his body when he achieved a superconscious state (seeming unconscious and/or dead) and his astral self separated from his physical body. It occurred to me that that may have been the first time that he shared one of his many out of body experiences with the public, and he did it for good reason.
On a full re-read of each story, I really started to get the idea that the Marys moved the stone away as soon as Joseph of Arimathea left and the coast was clear. They watched him put jesus in the tomb and guess what? If he was able to put the stone in front of it by himself, then surely the women had no problem moving it away when they came back with the healing spices they prepared as reflected in Luke's story.
If you don't like repeating yourself then why have you started two threads arguing the same thing?
I'm responding to the opening post in this thread, and why would I want to engage on this same topic in two threads? I have made my comments, and if you can't value them then so be it.
@Sister Cyber
Re the K.J.V. Bible being the best and most accurate translation ....................................
"The King James Version of the New Testament
The King James version of the New Testament was completed in 1611 by 8 members of the Church of England."
There were (and still are) no original texts to translate. The oldest manuscripts we have were written down hundreds of years after the last apostle died. There are over 8000 of these old manuscripts, with no two alike.
The King James translators used none of these, anyway. Instead, they edited previous translations to create a version their king and Parliament would approve.
There were (and still are) no original texts to translate. The oldest manuscripts we have were written down hundreds of years after the last apostle died. There are over 8000 of these old manuscripts, with no two alike.
So, 21st Century Christians believe the “Word of God” is a book edited in the 17th Century from 16th Century translations of 8000 contradictory copies of 4th Century scrolls that claim to be copies of lost letters written in the 1st Century.
That’s not faith. That’s insanity."
http://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2004/2004-04-06.htm
If you are serious about reading the most accurate modern translation of the Christian
Bible I might suggest a bit of investigation on your part.
Re the K.J.V. Bible being the best and most accurate translation ....................................
"The King James Version of the New Testament
The King James version of the New Testament was completed in 1611 by 8 members of the Church of England."
There were (and still are) no original texts to translate. The oldest manuscripts we have were written down hundreds of years after the last apostle died. There are over 8000 of these old manuscripts, with no two alike.
The King James translators used none of these, anyway. Instead, they edited previous translations to create a version their king and Parliament would approve.
There were (and still are) no original texts to translate. The oldest manuscripts we have were written down hundreds of years after the last apostle died. There are over 8000 of these old manuscripts, with no two alike.
So, 21st Century Christians believe the “Word of God” is a book edited in the 17th Century from 16th Century translations of 8000 contradictory copies of 4th Century scrolls that claim to be copies of lost letters written in the 1st Century.
That’s not faith. That’s insanity."
http://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2004/2004-04-06.htm
If you are serious about reading the most accurate modern translation of the Christian
Bible I might suggest a bit of investigation on your part.
..and to whomever:
"But a biblical, airtight case cannot be made for either a cross or a pole/stake. The Romans were not picky in regards to how they would crucify people. Historically, we know the Romans crucified people on crosses, poles, stakes, upside-down crosses, X-shaped crosses (such as the apostle Andrew is said to have been martyred on), walls, roofs, etc. Jesus could have been crucified on any of these objects, and it would not have affected the perfection or sufficiency of His sacrifice."
....and to everyone else:
My Bible can beat up your Bible and my god is bigger and better than your god
and...........................
Because:
We Are Right We Are Right We Are Right We Are Right = W.A.R.= WAR.
Translations and believe systems are too numerous to count............
According to the World Christian Encyclopedia (year 2000 version), global Christianity had 33,820 denominations with 3,445,000 congregations/churches composed of ...
So can anyone PROVE which denomination or which Bible translation is "right?
Consider that a challenge if you like.
Some (most) of all church goers and the "faithful" really do believe members of
"those other" faiths are hell bound.
"But a biblical, airtight case cannot be made for either a cross or a pole/stake. The Romans were not picky in regards to how they would crucify people. Historically, we know the Romans crucified people on crosses, poles, stakes, upside-down crosses, X-shaped crosses (such as the apostle Andrew is said to have been martyred on), walls, roofs, etc. Jesus could have been crucified on any of these objects, and it would not have affected the perfection or sufficiency of His sacrifice."
....and to everyone else:
My Bible can beat up your Bible and my god is bigger and better than your god
and...........................
Because:
We Are Right We Are Right We Are Right We Are Right = W.A.R.= WAR.
Translations and believe systems are too numerous to count............
According to the World Christian Encyclopedia (year 2000 version), global Christianity had 33,820 denominations with 3,445,000 congregations/churches composed of ...
So can anyone PROVE which denomination or which Bible translation is "right?
Consider that a challenge if you like.
Some (most) of all church goers and the "faithful" really do believe members of
"those other" faiths are hell bound.
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Sister Cyber
Member
Church goers often do. I think in the last 10 years they have started to allegorize it into separation from God as opposed to literal flames and broiling skin.
Any of the above would not have kept him from eating his disciples, but his moral commitment to Judaism would have. It is silly is it not, to suggest that Jesus would eat his disciples? I mean...just in your opinion.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
Would you feel the same way if they said he kicked the bucket or bought the farm?
I can think of less kind words than "silly" but "silly" works and is socially acceptable
language.
Jesus' use of the words "this is my flesh" substituting the bread and "my blood" substituting
wine as SYMBOLS and was not promoting eating people.
But there are fundamentalist Bible believers that would take EVERYTHING
in the Bible literally.
I.E. "spare the rod and spoil the child" does NOT mean to beat the kids with
a stick!
The "rod" means the word of God.
Psalms "thy rod and thy staff they comfort me............."
So beating with a stick comforts??????????????
"Rod and staff" means God's words.
As always to the research for yourself.
And those of the
Westboro Baptist Church - Official Site
who insist "god hates ****" are examples of fundamentalist who haven't a clue
what Jesus' message was.
Does "love one another as I have loved you" mean something else?????
Inquiring minds don'chaknow?
Who in the #ell am I to judge another based upon sexual identity?
Or most anything else for that matter.
As a matter of way off topic let me relate to something that means nothing.
I attend A.A. meetings open to LGBT and me(straight) people.
A new attendee is a darned good looking young woman.
I admire her fine beauty.
It's entirely possible she is a he or a trans or whatever.
That does not diminish her beauty.
Call me weird if ya likes.
My go to guy in A.A., called my sponsor, is openly gay.
When we see one another at A.A. meetings he greats me with a kiss.
ON THE LIPS.
No one, including the "he men" types, nor my fiance, raises an eyebrow.
He kisses her on the lips also.
Soooooo what if he kisses men he likes on the lips?
I don't have any issues with being straight. I like females. A whole bunch!
I KNOW WHAT THAT ^^^ MEANS.
Kicking the bucket gives one a sore foot.
Buying the farm means you're gonna work hard at going broke.
Not the same as "up setting the apple cart" or "spilling the beans" or.....................................
Just sayin'.........................
'separation from God as opposed to literal flames and broiling skin.'
Yes this^^^.
Hell fire and eternal torment was an invention of the early church to scare the hell
out of faithful who could neither read nor write and rob the poor of what very
little money they had.
Faithful often paid dearly for a priest to pray a lost loved one out of hell
and or purgatory.
An early and church sanctioned form of STEALING from those who could least
afford to loose anything.
Stealing from the poor to make the church rich.
The Roman Catholic Church is the richest religious organization in the world.
http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/world/the-10-richest-religions-in-the-world
It's also the most politically influential.
Sirius Star
Member
Part true/part-false interesting though what you might think it is saying. That is there will be no more point in even praying. God cannot change. Man has a certain amount of days...then when it is over they try to come in to sway.
Well just one day there was a miniature rock collection made into just another Stonehenge but placed another way. Well the stones said what ways. So then something took it all away. They still wish to play. Well there are no less players. Those rocks were turned side-ways. They measured up with always.
Leviticus 26 the Wood was Stonehenge with the cement already paved. What garners such more evil envy it just cannot ever not stay. The arch-criminals never swayed. They have no more wealth than what they never even made. All of those F.E.M.A. camps the U.S.A.-old Israel has are for all of those who spent their paltry substance(s) upon their slaves.
Sister Cyber
Member
Because I can. More importantly, to reach the masses. Do you have a problem with that?
Who said anything about 2 threads? I gave you one link, and the reason why, which I thought I explained, was because everything should be done in decency and in order in order to avoid chaos and confusion. I've administered sites like this for decades so I know what havoc can occur from young whippersnappers going off topic.
Every word you type is valuable, my dear, and all very interesting. However, the subject being addressed in this Discussion is that Jesus did not die on a cross. If you want to talk about Jesus being eaten by his disciples, click here: http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/did-the-disciples-eat-jesus.187884/
Otherwise, I'd like to enjoy here Discussion on the mentioned topic. Thank you.
Go in peace.