Ecclesiastes 12:13 in essence is true. Ecclesiastes 5:7 is true, and everyone knows it, or they lie to themselves. Revelation 14:7 OR Revelation 8:13
I suppose I should thank you that I do seem afraid. I think I do not feel afraid.
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if God were real...?
- Thread starter truelight Mike
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I suppose I should thank you that I do seem afraid. I think I do not feel afraid.
1 John 3:2-3 2 Beloved ones, we are now children of God,+ but it has not yet been made manifest what we will be.+ We do know that when he is made manifest we will be like him, because we will see him just as he is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself,+ just as that one is pure.
Strong's 53 chaste, clean, pure.
From the same as hagios; properly, clean, i.e. (figuratively) innocent, modest, perfect -- chaste, clean, pure.
"I know how God shall react". That is not true. It is a lie. A lie is not chaste.
This one:
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undefiled or stainless:
chaste, white snow.
Strong's 53 chaste, clean, pure.
From the same as hagios; properly, clean, i.e. (figuratively) innocent, modest, perfect -- chaste, clean, pure.
"I know how God shall react". That is not true. It is a lie. A lie is not chaste.
This one:
5.
undefiled or stainless:
chaste, white snow.
Sirius Star
Member
Vote.
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Sirius Star
Member
You keep changing the dialogue to make yourself fit. You said you did not know if the words you even use are legitimate? So what conversation is this still even about? It's not just coffee, pout, it's that others are just supposed to stuff it. It's the exact same route. The Indians take the longest routes. They would rather just keep running around 'them' mountains! Yes! It's always for the dumbest watts. There can be no higher intelligences, just humans. Just stupid always proving. What again? Well that is nagging! You are being left with Saturn.
Your own direct quote: > "All of God's words are legitimate. I do not know which of my words are legitmate or not legitimate. You've got that right."
Are you writing in English or are you using a translator?
Define legitimate: Conforming to laws or rules.
The Bible has very little to say about rules for preaching.
http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Preaching,-Importance-Of
I try to conform to what I know is true about Jesus and about preaching. I am being true to myself, which is all I can do.
LOL. What, in your opinion, does "stuff it" mean?
So I look it up. Stuff it means; said to express indifference, resignation, or rejection.
That is what people do to me. Are they "supposed to"? I don't know.
Really, how is a person supposed to know HOW to do it? Look at our examples, for goodness sake
http://catholicexchange.com/crazy-prophets-old-testament
http://catholicexchange.com/crazy-prophets-old-testament
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
That's the thing, I did study it. I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic religious training (CCD) my entire life up through confirmation around age 13. During that time I read the entire Bible through. I even went to a Jesuit high school (B.C. High) my freshman year. I read the Bible again cover to cover in college...albeit with a far different lens since I was taking a comparative religion course and by that time had lost all belief in the UberDude. I took several courses on religion in college and I'm still fascinated the subject today.
It's just that, unlike you and some others, the more I studied it, the LESS it made sense. I haven't seen anything happen as written in the Bible. I'll be waiting for that 7 headed dragon to show up though, that I gotta see.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
That's a lot of "if's".
Are we going with just his pronouncements, or also his parables, in which case his sense of morality could use some work?
All God wanted was obdience. The morality of said obedience was beside the point.
We shouldn't "walk a mile in their shoes"? We should meet anger with more anger?
Even if you disagree with the morality of it, it's much better strategically to not take PR bait. If a terrorist organization says you're out to kill an entire population, you don't go offering to do that...
I see, so age has something to do with Truth. Thus, all texts, holy or otherwise, that predate the bible must assuredly be the Truth, then.
If he loved his neighbor, why does he always have to be guilt-tripped into helping gentiles? Why does he always seem shocked they can have faith? Does he love Satan? It's one thing to forgive the pickpocket ... I want to see the one "with the larger debt" to be forgiven.
That shouldn't be too hard. I can easily give to others without needing a massive audience. I can easily help the "other" without needing to be guilt-tripped into doing it because of racism. I can easily pray in private rather than needing an audience. I can easily follow up on people I've helped to see if they're okay instead of treating their miracles like individual photo-ops ...
Just because he created me is enough. Let's compare that to a mother; she carries us for very long ~9 months to give birth to us. This alone is the best reason for me to always love and follow my mother. Here I am experiencing life thanks to her. God created her as well, so he's ultimately the one I want to follow.
Demonslayer
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Sure, but what if your mother's love wasn't unconditional. In fact what if your mother said "Son, if you don't love me I'll send you to a place where you will be burned and tortured?"
Would you feel the same about your mother, knowing if your love for her was not great enough you'd be sent away and tortured?
I'm afraid that's an "if" question of which the answer is it would never be. I mean, it's a fact that she carried me for ~9 months and that I love her that cannot be changed.
You're asking providing an impossible condition
But anyway, yes, no matter what my mother intends against me, I'd always love her and be her servant. And I mean whatever, ever, ever.
Demonslayer
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Lots of mothers are abusive to their children. You and I are lucky to not have that happen, but many children grow up with abusive parents. Ever see the movie "Precious?"
I would say if you were in an abusive home and you just put up with it, that would not be a healthy environment. Here in the US we have something called Child Protective Services that remove children from abusive homes in order to save them from a life of physical and/or mental abuse.
Sticking around an abusive parent would be no different from a battered woman staying with her wife-beating husband. Not wise and not advisable. You hear a woman say "even though he beats me I still love him" and you don't think "wow she's loyal" you think "damn, the poor woman needs help and needs to get out of that relationship."
I would argue that the God of the Abrahamic religions is akin to an abusive spouse. It's mental abuse to hold the threat of eternal torturous damnation over people. Do what I say or I'll burn you forever. How is that real love?
I don't understand how you are so stuck on "Do what I say or I'll burn you forever." What are you referring to? Is it Matthew 13:50?
1 Peter 1:7
Daniel 3:17
Daniel 12:10
Fire is for refining. It is something to be desired imo. You are the one who is turning it into torture.
truelight Mike
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I'm sorry but the way you mocked and accused Jesus of doing evil is really bizarre and unjust.
You say you can live the way He said to live. Go for it, I support you.
But the way you mocked someone whose teaching was " love your neighbor " which includes other races makes me a little nauseous
Guilt trip? What are you talking about?
I'm sorry but the way you mocked and accused Jesus of doing evil is really bizarre and unjust.
You say you can live the way He said to live. Go for it, I support you.
But the way you mocked someone whose teaching was " love your neighbor " which includes other races makes me a little nauseous
Guilt trip? What are you talking about?
Demonslayer
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I'm referring to the very common belief in the Abrahamic religions that there exists a place called Hell where you go if you don't meet certain requirements set out by God. Though the folks who subscribe to belief in hell can't seem to agree on what the criteria really are. Half of Christianity says you are saved from Hell through belief in Jesus alone, the other half say you need to do good works as well.
I know not everyone believes in Hell, but the last poll I saw said 58% of Americans do. It's a very common belief, I can't imagine you haven't heard of it.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
This is my second response to your question. The previous post was a question back to you, but I never got an answer.
After thinking through your question, I think I have some answer for you.
First of all, I'm a pantheist of sort, so I do consider everything that exists, all in the past, and all future, all of it is God, so God isn't a matter really about faith or belief to me, but rather a realization of what I think the word "God" stands for. With that in mind, I think we all follow God in all things we do. Just by being alive and interacting with the world in one way or another, we are "following God" so to speak. We cannot not follow God. We always follow God by sheer existence. And does this world, nature, or reality that I call God have the best interest in mind for us? Yes and no. We are the hands of God (ye are gods), and as such, we create the world we live in and influence it and as such, we have our own best interest in mind. But does the world at large have any particular interest in my affairs? No. Don't think so. The world at large only has the interest of change, process, life in general, energy transformation, and heat exchange, but not much about me specifically.
Haven't seen it, but I see your point and it does indeed make sense (yes, there is no typo here). I guess having different aspects of my religion and culture connected to each other is what make it the norm that mothers are not abusive to their children here, or at least it happens rarely. Honestly, when I hear of parent/child abusive cases in the West, it's all "WTF is going on here" moment to me. I really lose my marbles in loss when I heard of some cases like a parent kill their child, locked them for a long time, raped them and had children with them, etc. in documentaries and here on the internet. But I guess this is another subject. Sorry for going off-topic like that.
Further to what I just said above, I think it is something heavily culturally affected. Here we don't have such organization, but I think I did hear of a case or two that the court took care of. Can't remember them. Such problems for me are unheard of.
The wife husband relationship is far from anything like parent child in my culture, and I wouldn't even consider it a face of comparison to the subject at hand. I believe it is a different subject. Here I've never ever seen or heard of a grown up abandoning their parents, talk bad about them, allow others to talk bad about them, no matter how bad their parents were to them. I guess it is because of how different aspects of my culture and belief are integrated and cohesive, as I implied before. Even I had horror moments from my parents, yet I still can't but love them for some reason.
Not sure how I think of how that last is real love, but love is an emotion and for us for this specific topic it does exist as a fact even tho we know we could have a taste of Hell. Can't really explain it, and call me crazy, but it is the actual fact. I mean the love is there regardless of whatever. Sorry man, dunno how to explain it in a clear way. And just to make sure, not sure about other Abrahamics, but this is how it is with me and Muslims following the same teachings.
"Do what I say, or you will burn forever" is not the same as, "Do whatever you damn well please and you will be lost forever". I think most of Christianity believes the second one.
I consider the possibility that a person can be so far away from doing the right thing that he can never escape certain doom. Is it evil that God lets anyone be doomed if that is where they go? Not many people believe in a place of torture imo.
God says, "do this and find life". If you do not obey the way to life, death is what you will get. Not fair?