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if God were real...?

Etritonakin

Etritonakin

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Milton Platt said:
Care to support your claims?
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I am thinking of making a recently-fulfilled prophecy thread -and I think I have made a general outline of future world events on here from the time of writing until Christ returns -not saying anyone will read the original.

Recent events in Europe are part of the interrelationships between the kings of the north and the kings of the south over time written in Daniel and elsewhere. (Kings of the north and south referenced generally from Jerusalem -Some have thought Russia to be the king of the north -because they are essentially northernmost -but the king of the north hears tidings from his north elsewhere in prophecy -and is further identified elsewhere.)

Europe will respond to terrorism in no uncertain terms.

Dan 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
 
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LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
truelight Mike said:
Question -
If God were real ... and If we were all created by this God ...and if he was good and if he loved all the people that he created and his intentions and motives were perfect and He had our best interest in mind, would you follow him? And Why? if you don't mind
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I suppose I would. Although I am not sure "follow" would be the proper verb to use.
 
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Acim

Revelation all the time
truelight Mike said:
Question -
If God were real ... and If we were all created by this God ...and if he was good and if he loved all the people that he created and his intentions and motives were perfect and He had our best interest in mind, would you follow him?
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Yes. I would participate in Reality.
 
jeager106

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
@Etritonakin

What leads you to believe Europe will respond?
So far there is no indication that I know of that leads me to believe a response
is coming.
I hope Europe dose respond and not cower in no reaction other than bad words.
 
truelight Mike

truelight Mike

Member
Skwim said:
Just as an FYI, if your post isn't to your liking, as in you screwed it up somehow and you want to make it more coherent, you always have the option of deleting it and starting over.


Actually, as you no doubt know there are plenty of Biblical passages that plenty of people agree on. And this includes the claim of god that he did indeed create evil.


So what do you think this says about the Bible in general? A book that was supposedly constructed under the watchful eye of god, but is so ambiguous in places that it can't be trusted. I say passage X means this and you say it means that because it's simply not clear, or more likely than not contradicts some other passage in the book. In this particular case, you find it extremely difficult to believe that god really created evil as Isaiah 45:7 tells us. Truthfully, I don't know how you can reconcile the two notions. All of which calls into question the veracity and value of the Bible. Why hasn't god stepped in and made his word clear? Why allow his believers to wallow in uncertainty? Of course with such a variety of disparate passage the believer does have an orchard for cherry picking. Picking out just those scriptures that support his particular beliefs and ignoring those that don't. Doesn't say much for the basis of the Christian faith, but then I don't think many Christians give it much if any thought. "What I don't know won't hurt me."


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I agree with some of that. I don't think the Bible is God. I think the men who wrote it were inspired to write what they wrote. I don't believe the translations are perfect. But it is something that we have. We have some sort of record about this amazing man named Jesus. It is an impressive account. His teachings were higher than all others.
We have early church writings that line up with what the 4 gospels say Jesus taught. They all have survived a long time.
These teachings ring true in my heart, that they are good, right and worth following.
Could something be missing from what we have as a Bible? I think it's possible. I don't know. All I know is that here is this message from this Man Jesus and it is the most perfect thing that I have ever known. -Love your neighbor - Love your enemy - give to those who ask of you - seek the good of others- forgive and help those who have hurt you! That is higher and purer than any philosophy on earth!

I was thinking Instead of all these people knocking Christ so much, why don't you try to live better than Him!
And I'm not talking about his miracles, I'm talking about His teachings. Try His teachings out and see how you measure up.
See if they are not good teachings
See if you think they are not from someone higher than you.

And by the way that verse in Isaiah. It says what it says but I'm telling you that there could be more to it. But maybe I'm wrong

Sorry so long winded
 
Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
truelight Mike said:
I agree with some of that. I don't think the Bible is God. I think the men who wrote it were inspired to write what they wrote. I don't believe the translations are perfect. But it is something that we have. We have some sort of record about this amazing man named Jesus. It is an impressive account. His teachings were higher than all others.
We have early church writings that line up with what the 4 gospels say Jesus taught. They all have survived a long time.
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You say Jesus was amazing, his teachings were higher than all others, but such accounts weren't written by impartial, disinterested, and unbiased chroniclers. The Gospels and all the books that follow were all written by the cheerleaders of Christ with one goal in mind: sell salvation through belief in Jesus. Thing is, the translators who passed along these writings were no different. And it's common knowledge that the writings chosen for inclusion in the Bible necessarily had to support the theology of the sponsoring entity, be it the RCC or some reigning emperor. The consequence; Jesus comes out looking flawless and unimpeachable. In fact, so god-like that the Catholic church voted to unite him with god the father and the holy ghost to form the Christian trinity.

These teachings ring true in my heart, that they are good, right and worth following.
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Just as they were intended to when they were penned..

Could something be missing from what we have as a Bible? I think it's possible. I don't know.
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I'll tell you what could be missing; veracity, and there is nothing other than the Bible itself that speaks for it. It's like believing a politician is absolutely honest because he says he is.

All I know is that here is this message from this Man Jesus and it is the most perfect thing that I have ever known. -Love your neighbor - Love your enemy - give to those who ask of you - seek the good of others- forgive and help those who have hurt you! That is higher and purer than any philosophy on earth!
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The wording may differ, but Jesus was not the first to express these virtues. This isn't to say he didn't say them, although they could have been put in his mouth later on, but he is not alone. For example, take "Love your enemy."

"Do not return evil to your adversary; Requite with kindness the one who does evil to you, Maintain justice for your enemy, Be friendly to your enemy.
- Akkadian Councils of Wisdom as cited in Pritchard's Ancient Near Eastern Texts. (from the ancient Babylonian civilization that existed two millennia before Jesus was born)​

I was thinking Instead of all these people knocking Christ so much, why don't you try to live better than Him!
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You mean those of us who are suspicious of the ancient accounts in a book constructed and passed along with a singular purpose in mind? This isn't knocking Christ but exercising due diligence about the source of a supposedly extraordinary person. Carl Sagan paraphrasing Laplace put it nicely: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So far the only thing we have is the extraordinary claim. AND, do you honestly think anyone could live a better life than your Jesus? From what I understand of Christology this is simply impossible.

And by the way that verse in Isaiah. It says what it says but I'm telling you that there could be more to it. But maybe I'm wrong
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Yeah, I got that the first time you mentioned it.

I'm not saying Christianity is worthless or a belief in Jesus is stupid, because they aren't. I think both have an awful lot to offer, but not to me.


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Desert Snake

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truelight Mike said:
I agree with some of that. I don't think the Bible is God.
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No one does, as far as I know

I was thinking Instead of all these people knocking Christ so much, why don't you try to live better than Him!
And I'm not talking about his miracles, I'm talking about His teachings. Try His teachings out and see how you measure up.
See if they are not good teachings
See if you think they are not from someone higher than you.
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Sounds a bit like Baha'i. You might be interested in that religion.
 
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Desert Snake

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savagewind said:
There seems to be people who obey their version of the Bible as though it is a god.
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Big difference between that and 'the Bible as a God'. Believing the text is not ''wrong'', necessarily/ it's their religion.

Sometimes this arises in discussion, I've asked people, what part of the Bible is 'false', or whatever, sometimes, you get an answer, but not always. If the person is claiming some sort of Christianity, they might be reluctant to actually state what they think is ''false''. /Or sometimes they ignore direct verses,...
Some denominations rely on the Bible being essentially false
 
savagewind

savagewind

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syncretic said:
Big difference between that and 'the Bible as a God'. Believing the text is not ''wrong'', necessarily/ it's their religion.

Sometimes this arises in discussion, I've asked people, what part of the Bible is 'false', or whatever, sometimes, you get an answer, but not always. If the person is claiming some sort of Christianity, they might be reluctant to actually state what they think is ''false''. /Or sometimes they ignore direct verses,...
Some denominations rely on the Bible being essentially false
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Do you mean true?

I think it would be pure silliness to rely on something that you believe is false.
 
savagewind

savagewind

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syncretic said:
No, I said ''Scripture''./Bible,, Not what they necessarily believe.
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Hm. Maybe I am not thinking clearly this morning. I am talking about the word rely.

I think many people rely on the Bible being essentially true. Anyway, thanks for the laugh out loud.
 
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Sirius Star

Member
George-ananda said:
"...[...]...My thought is that ideal is what does exist now and our perspective may just be off....[...]..."
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Good answer, some perspectives one may have to how they might perceive God, or anything inside the realm called God, may have everything to do with how things turned out somewhere along the way, that they were not all that interested to know who God is just because their minds became or were already set at prejudiced.

On the other hand, they might finally figure some things out just by some of the sermons told. Just look at a lava flow that is the product of what might just seem to be a spontaneous eruption. Far from it, for it was long-planned. A much higher-intelligence is God. He knows no limitations thus far of how far he will go with something just to see what he most wants produced.
 
savagewind

savagewind

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syncretic said:
Like baptism? Technically merely a ceremony originally for sin cleansing, and, public conversions to Xianity.
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I think that what we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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Rely does not equal false. We might debate around and around this all day. Instead of that, why not look up the real meaning of "rely"?
Try this on. Some denominations rely on suspect the Bible being essentially false
 
savagewind

savagewind

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If god was real.........

I have seen this with me many, many times. When I write and I do proofread what I write, but sometimes not right away, I make mistakes. Sometimes a mistake gives the thought that I want to convey and opposite meaning. I have seen it in other people's posts too. BUT people say that the god would never, never, ever, not even once, let that happen to his words. At least it is funny. :D

If god was real, would he cause truth to be in complete control of a person's will? That's what they are teaching. I think they even teach it at Harvard. LOL

By the way @syncretic might essentially be the wrong word also?
 
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