Catholicism and Marriage

Questions for y'all

Does either family or the woman or man pay a dowry?

Is intermarriage between faiths allowed?

Age allowed to marry?

Engagements?

Is Pre-Martial Sex Allowed?

How is Marriage defined (man and man, woman and woman, man and woman)?

Is marriage required?

Is divorce okay?

beckysoup61 said:

Does either family or the woman or man pay a dowry?

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It depends on the culture. Sometimes the woman's family paid and sometimes the man's family paid.

The Church doesn't take a position on dowrys.

Is intermarriage between faiths allowed?

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I don't think it's banned, but both persons must marry as the Church understands the sacrament of marriage.

Age allowed to marry?

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I'm not too sure. I know that one of the grounds of annulment is that either spouse is too young to be married, or too young without required parental consent.

Engagements?

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I don't think there is any doctrine concerning engagement specifically. I may be wrong, though.

Is Pre-Martial Sex Allowed?

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No.

How is Marriage defined (man and man, woman and woman, man and woman)?

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Marriage is between a man and a woman.

Is marriage required?

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Yes, it is a sacrament.

Is divorce okay?

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No. The Church can annul your marriage, but that is not the same as a divorce.

Yay for those answers!!! As for the age...most priests (that I know) prefer at least 18.

Marrying someone of a different religion requires a dispensation from the local Ordinary (Bishop)

If they are Christian, it's called a dispensation of cult. (Cult being used in the classical sense, of course.) That's fairly easily done and routine.

If they are not Christian at all, the process still goes through the Ordinary, but it is a good bit more difficult to obtain.

Rules on Engagements only come into play for the time a couple must be engaged before a marriage can be done, and it varies from Diocese to Diocese. Most I've seen are six, some 9, and rarely 12.

My son is engaged to a Catholic girl (well, not officially engaged, but definitely planning to get married). He was baptized a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but is not religious and hasn't been for over ten years. His "almost fiancee" insists that when they get married, the ceremony must be performed in the Catholic Church. My husband and I aren't thrilled about this, but we're not upset over it either. We really like the girl a lot. So, how will this work? He wouldn't have to convert to Catholicism, would he? If asked, he would probably say he is a non-religious Christian, but the Catholic Church might not consider him a Christian at all.

Hmm... You know, Mormon baptisms aren't recognized as valid. (Baptism is Jesus' name only, not Trinitarian in form.) And in CC theology, valid baptism is usually the demarkation line of Christianity.

Whatever the Bishop decides to do, no, conversions are optional, never required. His wife will be required to make an effort to raise the kids as Catholics. (In the old days your son would ahve been required to sign such permission before the marriag ewould be done, but this is no longer required.)

Sandlapper said:

Hmm... You know, Mormon baptisms aren't recognized as valid. (Baptism is Jesus' name only, not Trinitarian in form.) And in CC theology, valid baptism is usually the demarkation line of Christianity.

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That's what I thought, but our baptisms actually are done, "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."

Whatever the Bishop decides to do, no, conversions are optional, never required. His wife will be required to make an effort to raise the kids as Catholics. (In the old days your son would ahve been required to sign such permission before the marriag ewould be done, but this is no longer required.)

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She's already told him she intends to raise the kids as Catholic. He doesn't care one way or the other, and from my perspective, better Catholic than no religion at all. If it was up to him, they probably wouldn't have any religion in their lives. He's not at all antagonistic towards religion, he's just disinterested.

Sandlapper said:

Hmm... You know, Mormon baptisms aren't recognized as valid. (Baptism is Jesus' name only, not Trinitarian in form.) And in CC theology, valid baptism is usually the demarkation line of Christianity.

Whatever the Bishop decides to do, no, conversions are optional, never required. His wife will be required to make an effort to raise the kids as Catholics. (In the old days your son would ahve been required to sign such permission before the marriag ewould be done, but this is no longer required.)

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this came about to get back at the lds church for not accepting there baptisms so to get even (very christ like) they decided in the mid 1900 to deem the baptisms not voild... but at one point they were accepted... (also up to that point some bishopes (in the catholic church) decited on there own to only allow baptisms only preformed by the church so in some areas or perishes only catholic baptism are only concetered viold (this has been stoped mostly)) history of the catholic church and history of the lds church both conferm what i am talking about... not new news what-so-ever...

PHOTOTAKER said:

this came about to get back at the lds church for not accepting there baptisms so to get even (very christ like) they decided in the mid 1900 to deem the baptisms not voild... but at one point they were accepted... (also up to that point some bishopes (in the catholic church) decited on there own to only allow baptisms only preformed by the church so in some areas or perishes only catholic baptism are only concetered viold (this has been stoped mostly)) history of the catholic church and history of the lds church both conferm what i am talking about... not new news what-so-ever...

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Uh... Phototaker, keep in mind that this is the Catholicism forum you're posting on. We really don't have the right to try to second-guess the Roman Catholic Church's reasons for not accepting our baptisms -- at least not on this particular thread.

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That's what I thought, but our baptisms actually are done, "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
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It isn't so much about the words in and of themselves, but rather the meaning behind the words
Here's a link to explain further,
http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a37.htm
but the gist of it is

Father Ladaria said the formula used by the Mormons for baptism states that,

"having received Christ's mandate, I baptize you in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."
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But there is no real invocation of the Trinity, the theologian said, because, for the Mormons, the "Father," "Son" and "Holy Spirit" are not the three persons in which the one divinity subsists, but three gods who form a divinity.
The term divinity itself has no "substantial" content, because, according to this Mormon concept, divinity has come into existence given that the three gods have decided to unite and form the divinity to bring about the salvation of man. This divinity and man share the same nature and are "substantially the same," according to Mormon belief.
Such divergence in doctrine implies, Father Ladaria said, that the Mormon minister does not have the intention, when baptizing, of doing what the Catholic Church does when it confers baptism.

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chlo

chlotilde said:

It isn't so much about the words in and of themselves, but rather the meaning behind the words
Here's a link to explain further,
http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a37.htm
but the gist of it is

chlo

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if you don't mind i would like to open another theird this is one subject that i am very interested in discussing... i'll post the link once i have it up!!!

heres the link

chlotilde said:

Father Ladaria said the formula used by the Mormons for baptism states that, "having received Christ's mandate, I baptize you in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." But there is no real invocation of the Trinity, the theologian said, because, for the Mormons, the "Father," "Son" and "Holy Spirit" are not the three persons in which the one divinity subsists, but three gods who form a divinity. The term divinity itself has no "substantial" content, because, according to this Mormon concept, divinity has come into existence given that the three gods have decided to unite and form the divinity to bring about the salvation of man.

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See this is the problem when someone from one Church attempts to describe the doctrines of another Church. I'm sure that Father Ladaria did his best to accurately convey LDS doctrine. Unfortunately, he missed the mark. The actual wording of the baptismal prayer is, "[Person's name], having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen."

As to our understanding of who the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are, and what their relationship to each other is, the Book of Mormon states, "And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. (2 Nephi 21:31)

I personally have no problem whatsoever with the Roman Catholic Church's refusal to accept LDS baptisms. We don't accept theirs; why should they accept ours? At any rate, I'm pretty sure that it was not Becky's intention to start a thread on this subject. It only came up because of my question concerning my son's marriage to a Catholic girl.