Yajurveda: "6.21 mentions a number of sciences". Is it true?

paarsurrey · Jul 27, 2016

"Yajurveda 6.21 mentions a number of sciences"
"From Bharata to India: Volume 1: Chrysee the Golden" by M.K.Agarwal: page 243.

Yajurveda Chapter IV Verse 21
21. O disciple, a student in the science of government, sail in
oceans in steamers, fly in the air in aeroplanes, know God the Creator
through the vedas, control thy breath through yoga, through astronomy
know the functions of day and night, know all the Vedas, Rig, Yajur,
Sama, and Atharva, by means of their constituent parts.

Through astronomy, geography, and geology go thou to all the
different countries of the world under the sun. Mayest thou attain
through good preaching to statesmanship and artisanship, through medical
science obtain knowledge of all medicinal plants, through hydrostatics,
learn the different uses of water, through electricity understand the
working of ever-lustrous lightning. Carry out my instructions willingly.
May the smoke of thy yajna and military machines reach the sun, and
may their flames go up to heaven ; and may thou cover the earth with
the ashes, the residue of thy yajna.

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Thread open to everybody from religion or no-religion.
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Vinayaka · Jul 27, 2016

What do you wish to debate?

Tumah · Jul 28, 2016

Vinayaka said:
What do you wish to debate?

I think he wants to know if

"Yajurveda 6.21 mentions a number of sciences"
"From Bharata to India: Volume 1: Chrysee the Golden" by M.K.Agarwal: page 243.

Yajurveda Chapter IV Verse 21
21. O disciple, a student in the science of government, sail in
oceans in steamers, fly in the air in aeroplanes, know God the Creator
through the vedas, control thy breath through yoga, through astronomy
know the functions of day and night, know all the Vedas, Rig, Yajur,
Sama, and Atharva, by means of their constituent parts.

Through astronomy, geography, and geology go thou to all the
different countries of the world under the sun. Mayest thou attain
through good preaching to statesmanship and artisanship, through medical
science obtain knowledge of all medicinal plants, through hydrostatics,
learn the different uses of water, through electricity understand the
working of ever-lustrous lightning. Carry out my instructions willingly.
May the smoke of thy yajna and military machines reach the sun, and
may their flames go up to heaven ; and may thou cover the earth with
the ashes, the residue of thy yajna.

Yes or No?

Vinayaka · Jul 28, 2016

Maybe. Maybe not.

Jainarayan · Jul 28, 2016

I'm suspicious of the translations. The extent of my Sanskrit is a few words, their inflections, and how the language works in general. I can't say if the translations are accurate or serve the author's agenda, whatever it might be.

(What, you didn't see that coming?)

paarsurrey · Jul 28, 2016

Yajurveda: mentions a number of sciences. Is it true?

Yajurveda Chapter x:19
19. O royal skilled engineer, construct sea-boats, propelled on
water by our experts, and aeroplanes, moving and flying up-ward, after
the clouds that reside in the mid-region, that fly as the boats move on the
sea, that fly high over and below the watery clouds. Be thou, thereby, be
prosperous in this world created by the Omnipresent God, and flier in both
air, and lightning.
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P.S. I am at Chapter X of Yajurveda, read about 122 pages out of 500+ of it.

paarsurrey · Jul 29, 2016

Vinayaka said:
What do you wish to debate?

One might think that there are no sciences mentioned in the Vedas, I am dispelling such thought.
Medical science mentioned in:

Yajurveda Chapter 12:85-88

85. When I, obtaining them beforehand, hold these medicinal
herbs within my hand, the root of life'-killing disease like tuberculosis
disappears.
86. O medicines, when ye creep in a patient part by part, joint by
joint, ye destroy his pulmonary disease, as a strong man destroys the
delicate bodily parts of the foe.
87. O physician, try to extirpate tuberculosis through well-regu-
lated nourishing diet, through control of breath (Pranayam) and through
medicines which fully relieve the patient of its pain.
88. O women discussing together the merits of the qualities of
medicines, follow these words of mine, that all medicines help each other.
Just as one helps the other, so should your teachress protect you.
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Vinayaka · Jul 29, 2016

All Hindus already know that. We don't need convincing.

paarsurrey · Jul 30, 2016

Vinayaka said:
All Hindus already know that. We don't need convincing.

Do you mean that all verses on sciences in Vedas should be compressed to some representative passages/verses only, as these things are already known to every Hinduism person? Please
Regards

Vinayaka · Jul 30, 2016

No, just that ancient Hindus knew a lot of science. Ayurveda, for example, is a great medical science.

Subhankar Zac · Jul 30, 2016

Unless you are well versed in ancient Sanskrit, best to avoid the Vedas.
Even we do not listen to the Vedas without someone from a long line of disciplic succession.
English translations aren't accurate.

paarsurrey · Jul 31, 2016

Subhankar Zac said:
Unless you are well versed in ancient Sanskrit, best to avoid the Vedas.
Even we do not listen to the Vedas without someone from a long line of disciplic succession.
English translations aren't accurate.

If one is one such a well-versed and disciplined person one should not shy out and should make the right teachings of Veda known to others, it is a charitable thing. Please
Regards

Vinayaka · Jul 31, 2016

paarsurrey said:
If one is one such a well-versed and disciplined person one should not shy out and should make the right teachings of Veda known to others, it is a charitable thing. Please
Regards

Why? Don't you believe that right knowledge is also within you? Why must a person always look outside of themselves in order to find right knowledge and practice right conduct? Can't some people think for themselves?

Subhankar Zac · Jul 31, 2016

paarsurrey said:
If one is one such a well-versed and disciplined person one should not shy out and should make the right teachings of Veda known to others, it is a charitable thing. Please
Regards

When one knows that dogs and animals are incapable of accepting knowledge meant for people without bias and a sense of false ego, its prohibited to share such knowledge with such animals.
One will not give away the incantations to create a Brahmashirastra if that person has anger or hatred.

Jainarayan · Jul 31, 2016

paarsurrey said:
disease like tuberculosis

Whoa, OK, stop right there. Tuberculosis is a word combining Latin 'tuberculum' and Greek 'osis', which means a condition.

Translation is therefore faulty. It's high school algebra (from an Arabic word)... if one part of a statement is false the whole statement is false.

If Sanskrit didn't have a single word for tuberculosis, but a noun phrase describing similar related conditions (which I suspect is the case), you have to take many of these translations with a grain of salt. One must not be so gullible in reading these translations.

Jainarayan · Jul 31, 2016

Vinayaka said:
No, just that ancient Hindus knew a lot of science. Ayurveda, for example, is a great medical science.

For sure... successful cataract surgery was regularly performed by ancient Ayurvedic physicians. The ancient physician Dhanvantari, also worshiped as an avatar of Lord Vishnu, is credited with founding Ayurveda.

Am I not a fount of arcane information!?

Vinayaka · Jul 31, 2016

Jainarayan said:
For sure... successful cataract surgery was regularly performed by ancient Ayurvedic physicians. The ancient physician Dhanvantari, also worshiped as an avatar of Lord Vishnu, is credited with founding Ayurveda.

Am I not a fount of arcane information!?

I just started (a week or so ago) with daily supplements of turmeric (curcumin) for arthritis. So far better than Tylenol, and a heckuva lot cheaper.

Jainarayan · Jul 31, 2016

Vinayaka said:
I just started (a week or so ago) with daily supplements of turmeric (curcumin) for arthritis. So far better than Tylenol, and a heckuva lot cheaper.

I hear it's almost a wonder spice. Do you use powder or prepared capsules? I have a large package of powder I should use more often.

Vinayaka · Jul 31, 2016

Yeah, I ordered 1000 vegetarian capsules for around $40, and I stuffed about half of them (so far) with powdered turmeric at 3 bucks for the whole bag. I'd eat it straight, but it's too messy. My new nickname would be Yellowmouth. So many things are better than western medicine, and much cheaper. Profit is a key factor in the pharmaceutical industry, as we all know.

paarsurrey · Jul 31, 2016

Vinayaka said:
Why? Don't you believe that right knowledge is also within you? Why must a person always look outside of themselves in order to find right knowledge and practice right conduct? Can't some people think for themselves?

Yajurveda Chapter 6: Verse 2

2. O king, thou art our leader ; thou putteth upon the path of
rectitude, even the leaders of a high order. Know thou this art of
government.
God the creator will rule over thee. Just as the state officials
anoint thee with sweet juices and flower-laden herbs, so should the
subjects do.
Thy first duty is to undertake the spread of knowledge and the
administration of justice.
Thy second duty is to propagate religious truths. Thy foremost
duty is to strengthen thy rule over the Earth.
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt

The Truth in Vedas has to be propagated in the whole Earth. Right? Please
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