YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Trump's joke to get the Russian onto the emails... *sigh*
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The word, "lame", thru me.
I thought that joke was great!
Your social skills are astounding!
I feel so fortunate to just stand in your shadow.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I couldn't care less if it's your thread, but I do admit you can post whatever false equivalencies you want. Also, I didn't comment on Bush on this, so why did you bring him up?
Therefore, why don't you try something totally unique and stick to the topic of the OP.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Never mind, Metis. I like you too much to argue any further over this. Good day.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
No, the real joke are those who really seriously believe Trump was joking when it was quite clear on the follow-up questions he was asked that he certainly wasn't joking. Why is it that a fair number of Pubs can see through Trump's lies.
BTW, I do like you as well even if we don't agree on anything.
I already covered this with another poster.
We determined that Trump's was a "stealth joke", ie, it was designed to be funny to people
who are above the fray, but partisans (on the left) would miss that, & sense fresh meat.
They'd pounce upon the faux opportunity to cry "Treason!"
Then, the audience sees the 2nd part of the joke take hold....watching the frothy reactions.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Precisely.
Many here are too young to remember this one....
In this one, would they think Reagan was just that magnanimous towards his opponent?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
That is probably one of the best lines ever delivered by a politician. Even Mondale loved it.
esmith
Veteran Member
And you are giving a pass to the Obama's attempt at influencing the British vote on leaving the EU. Or did you conveniently forget about that?
Mr Spinkles
Mr
The only joke here is that Trump knows he can say almost anything and his supporters will let him get away with it. They will either accept his excuses after the fact, or just make up excuses for him. He said himself that he could "shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose voters". We are seeing that play out here where "America first" voters are willing to let Trump, and only Trump, violate that principle.
You would have to be pretty gullible to believe that Trump was "joking" about wanting Russia to "find" deleted Sate Dept. emails. He wasn't joking. He was just recklessly saying whatever pops into his head at the moment, as per the usual. Just because you talk fast and loose and regret it later, doesn't mean you were "joking". It kind of means you're a fool.
That is fine if we are discussing politics at a bar. Not so much if you are trying to represent an entire nation on the world stage. In addition, it reveals unfiltered impulses which are troubling. In this case, his impulse was not to "hope" that classified information doesn't fall into the hands of foreign powers. His impulse was to hope it would, in order to get dirt on a political opponent.
The irony is astonishing, especially since the whole point (supposedly) of the GOP witch hunt into Clinton's emails was to make sure classified info did not fall into foreign hands. Having Putin hack some State Dept. emails Clinton deleted would sort of defeat that purpose, wouldn't it? Unless the real purpose was to find anything potentially incriminating / embarrassing about Clinton.
You would have to be pretty gullible to believe that Trump was "joking" about wanting Russia to "find" deleted Sate Dept. emails. He wasn't joking. He was just recklessly saying whatever pops into his head at the moment, as per the usual. Just because you talk fast and loose and regret it later, doesn't mean you were "joking". It kind of means you're a fool.
That is fine if we are discussing politics at a bar. Not so much if you are trying to represent an entire nation on the world stage. In addition, it reveals unfiltered impulses which are troubling. In this case, his impulse was not to "hope" that classified information doesn't fall into the hands of foreign powers. His impulse was to hope it would, in order to get dirt on a political opponent.
The irony is astonishing, especially since the whole point (supposedly) of the GOP witch hunt into Clinton's emails was to make sure classified info did not fall into foreign hands. Having Putin hack some State Dept. emails Clinton deleted would sort of defeat that purpose, wouldn't it? Unless the real purpose was to find anything potentially incriminating / embarrassing about Clinton.
Mr Spinkles
Mr
Just an observation:
Reporter asks Sarah Palin what newspapers she reads. That's an unfair "Gotcha!" question.
FBI reads tends of thousands of Hillary's emails, including emails they were able to reconstruct from fragments on a server that was decommissioned in 2013. Need Putin to help make sure we didn't miss any that could have had dirt on her.
Reporter asks Sarah Palin what newspapers she reads. That's an unfair "Gotcha!" question.
FBI reads tends of thousands of Hillary's emails, including emails they were able to reconstruct from fragments on a server that was decommissioned in 2013. Need Putin to help make sure we didn't miss any that could have had dirt on her.
Mr Spinkles
Mr
I don't want to derail the thread since it's about DNC emails (although these are closely related topics). But I do want to make two points:
(1) The purpose of the FBI investigation was not to read all of Hillary's emails, just to get dirt on her (right?) It was to investigate whether and the degree to which classified emails were exposed on an unsecured server. That is why the FBI doesn't have a problem with her deleting her non-work-related emails, although they ended up reading thousands of those too. You don't need Hillary's personal emails about Chelsea's wedding etc., and she doesn't need to provide them, to accomplish this goal (securing State Dept. info was the goal not just reading all her emails to find dirt, right?)
(2) In the course of the FBI's investigation they read "thousands" of Clinton emails which were not included in the 30,000 she turned over. They even reconstructed emails from fragments recovered from a server that was decommissioned in 2013. If Clinton was hiding something, why wasn't it found in those emails?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
What makes me laugh is that given these points you have just made, makes Trump Russian joke even funnier. If there's nothing there what difference, at this point in time, does it make?
On top of that is the hilarity of the DNC getting hacked, then turning around a screaming, "Dirty trick" over their own dirty tricks being exposed. You really cannot make this crap up. It was a good deflection though because the next moment everyone was talking about the Russians instead of the smell emanating from the DNC.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
You again just avoid the reality by using bait & switch. BTW, Obama citing an opinion, which he did, is now where near the same as encouraging someone to hack e-mails in an attempt to influence our election, which let me remind you is illegal. Was Obama's stating an opinion illegal? No. Again, just another one of your false equivalencies.
It could only get better if Lynch had another 'impromptu' Clinton meeting,
which resulted in Comey threatening treason charges against Trump.
esmith
Veteran Member
You are really in bed with the liberal/progressives aren't you.
You say that Trump is attempting to use the Russians to find dirt on the Dems yet you have no problem with the Obama saying
Britain would go to the "back of the queue" for trade deals with the US if it votes to leave the European Union
Now I call that a threat not an opinion.
Also it is a well known fact that liberal/progressive types do not have a sense of humor if anyone makes a joke about their precious leaders or policies.
Yeah I know you need proof that he said that. OK http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36115138
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
But if there was question about his intent, that was clearly answered later when he was confronted by a reporter, and Trump doubled down on what he had said, and it's abundantly clear he was not joking. And even though you love to portray this as a lefty thingy, some Republicans, such as Republican spokeswoman Nicole Wallace and former representative Joe Scarborough (R-Florida), said that Trump absolutely was not joking.