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Kent856 · Jul 30, 2016

savagewind said:
What? Have you escaped into a black hole. One witness is my eyes (both of them are one witness), one witness is my ears (both of them are one witness) and one witness is Jesus Christ (one with God). That isn't six. It is three.

By using the eyes I was illustrating how absurd it is to claim that different members of your own body can act as different witnesses

savagewind said:
It means that whatever God's will for you is

I meant what did you mean when you said the governing body give us a new destination when we are baptised? If the scriptures are to be trusted (I believe they are) then it states Gods will for us...

Psalm 27:10,11 - "Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace."
Pretty awesome right

savagewind said:
Each person is promised paradise earth if they will just continue faithful with the faithful and discreet slave.

Erm no, we are promised paradise if---

John 17:3 - "This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ."

savagewind · Jul 30, 2016

Kent856 said:
By using the eyes I was illustrating how absurd it is to claim that different members of your own body can act as different witnesses

OK, but I disagree. There is more wieght behind seeing AND hearing than there is in only one of them.

I meant what did you mean when you said the governing body give us a new destination when we are baptised? If the scriptures are to be trusted (I believe they are) then it states Gods will for us...

Psalm 27:10,11 - "Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace."
Pretty awesome right

I do not think this is a promised destination. I think it is directions on how to get there. Psalms 37:10-11

Erm no, we are promised paradise if---

John 17:3 - "This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ."

I know, but give ear to what the governing body are telling you and you will hear that it is by sticking with them. Thousands of posts of theirs imply it. They will never say it out-right, of course. It is some of the propaganda that I mentioned.

Kent856 · Jul 30, 2016

savagewind said:
I do not think this is a promised destination. I think it is directions on how to get there. Psalms 37:10-11

It says the wicked will be no more, but only the meek will possess the earth. Thats certainly not the case right now... How can it be interpreted as directions and not a destination/prophecy?

savagewind said:
I know, but give ear to what the governing body are telling you and you will hear that it is by sticking with them.

I disagree, the governing body do not consider themselves "leaders" which we must follow. They encourage us to 'stick together' as a christian congregation because together we are stronger. If all our teachings are from the bible and in line with the bible, then aren't we following Jesus?

savagewind · Jul 30, 2016

Kent856 said:
It says the wicked will be no more, but only the meek will possess the earth. Thats certainly not the case right now... How can it be interpreted as directions and not a destination/prophecy?

You're reading it in English without The Holy Spirit.

I disagree, the governing body do not consider themselves "leaders" which we must follow. They encourage us to 'stick together' as a christian congregation because together we are stronger.

What is the difference between them leading and the Christian Congregation sticking together with them?

Together we are stronger? For what?

If all our teachings are from the bible and in line with the bible, then aren't we following Jesus?

Jesus says all your teachings ARE NOT IN LINE WITH IT.

savagewind · Jul 30, 2016

Jesus says you are in line with Babylon the Great. Babylon the Great will fair better than you because you say they will be judged but they do not say that you will be judged. Matthew 7:2

My opinion: Babylon the Great was good for something. That something was getting the Bible here. The JWs are not good for anything that the Bible can't do alone.

The JWs have aligned themselves with that which can stumble a least one of Jesus. What is written? Matthew 18:6

Kent856 · Jul 30, 2016

savagewind said:
Together we are stronger? For what?

So that we can help each other through persecution and trial in the name of Jesus

2 Timothy 3:11,12 - "the persecutions and sufferings such as I experienced in Antioch, in I·coʹni·um, in Lysʹtra. I endured these persecutions, and the Lord rescued me from them all. In fact, all those desiring to live with godly devotion in association with Christ Jesus will also be persecuted."

savagewind · Jul 30, 2016

Kent856 said:
So that we can help each other through persecution and trial in the name of Jesus

2 Timothy 3:11,12 - "the persecutions and sufferings such as I experienced in Antioch, in I·coʹni·um, in Lysʹtra. I endured these persecutions, and the Lord rescued me from them all. In fact, all those desiring to live with godly devotion in association with Christ Jesus will also be persecuted."

I see the Lord helped him. Where does it say the congregation helped him?

Kent856 · Jul 30, 2016

savagewind said:
I see the Lord helped him. Where does it say the congregation helped him?

I used 2 Tim to demonstrate that any person who wishes to serve Jesus must be prepared to come under persecution from others. This is why it is helpful to remain strong.

If you dont understand why having a congregation is useful then.. Well.

1 Thes 5:12-15 - "Now we request you, brothers, to show respect for those who are working hard among you and presiding over you in the Lord and admonishing you; and to give them extraordinary consideration in love because of their work. Be peaceable with one another. On the other hand, we urge you, brothers, to warn the disorderly, speak consolingly to those who are depressed, support the weak, be patient toward all. See that no one repays injury for injury to anyone, but always pursue what is good toward one another and to all others."

savagewind · Jul 30, 2016

Kent856 said:
I used 2 Tim to demonstrate that any person who wishes to serve Jesus must be prepared to come under persecution from others. This is why it is helpful to remain strong.

If you dont understand why having a congregation is useful then.. Well.

1 Thes 5:12-15 - "Now we request you, brothers, to show respect for those who are working hard among you and presiding over you in the Lord and admonishing you; and to give them extraordinary consideration in love because of their work. Be peaceable with one another. On the other hand, we urge you, brothers, to warn the disorderly, speak consolingly to those who are depressed, support the weak, be patient toward all. See that no one repays injury for injury to anyone, but always pursue what is good toward one another and to all others."

Can you add to that the people who worked hard for Jehovah, but are not with us any longer? It is written, "they are all alive to Jehovah". They are alive to me. Are they alive to you?

My congregation is anyone who did a deed which helped to accomplish God's will be done. Many of them have died, but it is written to Jehovah they still live. Have you considered them to do good to them? I am not talking about spiritistic practice. I am taking about now. They are not now but their works remain. What are you doing in regard to their works? Are you helping what they did, or are you hurting what they did?

Kent856 · Jul 30, 2016

savagewind said:
My congregation is anyone who did a deed which helped to accomplish God's will be done.

I agree

Matt 10:40 - "Whoever receives you receives me also, and whoever receives me receives also the One who sent me. Whoever receives a prophet because he is a prophet will get a prophet’s reward, and whoever receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will get a righteous man’s reward. And whoever gives one of these little ones only a cup of cold water to drink because he is a disciple, I tell you truly, he will by no means lose his reward."

Incidentally, I saw this verse as well:

Matt 11:1 - "When Jesus had finished giving instructions to his 12 disciples, he set out from there to teach and preach in their cities."

savagewind · Jul 30, 2016

Kent856 said:
I used 2 Tim to demonstrate that any person who wishes to serve Jesus must be prepared to come under persecution from others. This is why it is helpful to remain strong.

I do not know that knowing someone else thinks the same as I do makes me stronger. Can you define what you mean by, "remain strong"? I only need Jesus Christ to remain strong.

savagewind · Jul 30, 2016

Kent856 said:
I agree

Matt 10:40 - "Whoever receives you receives me also, and whoever receives me receives also the One who sent me. Whoever receives a prophet because he is a prophet will get a prophet’s reward, and whoever receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will get a righteous man’s reward. And whoever gives one of these little ones only a cup of cold water to drink because he is a disciple, I tell you truly, he will by no means lose his reward."

Incidentally, I saw this verse as well:

Matt 11:1 - "When Jesus had finished giving instructions to his 12 disciples, he set out from there to teach and preach in their cities."

OK. I do not understand that Matthew 11:1 applies.

Can you see that by treating with respect that which someone else accomplished you in essence are giving them a cold drink, even if they are not still with us physically? Think: They are all alive to Jehovah.

Kent856 · Jul 30, 2016

savagewind said:
I do not know that knowing someone else thinks the same as I do makes me stronger. Can you define what you means by, "remain strong"? I only need Jesus Christ to remain strong.

We don't need a congregation to remain strong.. We should be able to stay faithful by ourselves even in the worst situations, with Jehovahs help. But i did answer you explaining why a congregation is useful to remain strong :

Kent856 said:
If you dont understand why having a congregation is useful then.. Well.

1 Thes 5:12-15 - "Now we request you, brothers, to show respect for those who are working hard among you and presiding over you in the Lord and admonishing you; and to give them extraordinary consideration in love because of their work. Be peaceable with one another. On the other hand, we urge you, brothers, to warn the disorderly, speak consolingly to those who are depressed, support the weak, be patient toward all. See that no one repays injury for injury to anyone, but always pursue what is good toward one another and to all others."

Kent856 · Jul 30, 2016

savagewind said:
Think: They are all alive to Jehovah.

Yes, most people who have died are in Jehovahs memory

savagewind · Jul 30, 2016

Kent856 said:
We don't need a congregation to remain strong.. We should be able to stay faithful by ourselves even in the worst situations, with Jehovahs help. But i did answer you explaining why a congregation is useful to remain strong :

OK. I would not say it would make me strong but make me more righteously inclined. Are you equating strong with righteous?

savagewind · Jul 30, 2016

Kent856 said:
Yes, most people who have died are in Jehovahs memory

I do not think that is what it means. RIGHT now, Jehovah is with King David. How can you not know this? God is for every living soul, right now, presently.

Kent856 · Jul 30, 2016

savagewind said:
OK. I would not say it would make me strong but make me more righteously inclined. Are you equating strong with righteous?

Spiritually minded perhaps?

savagewind said:
Jehovah is with King David. How can you not know this?

Could you explain that a bit more?

savagewind · Jul 30, 2016

Kent856 said:
Spiritually minded perhaps?

I think that is a good question. I do not know the answer.

Could you explain that a bit more?

Have you ever heard of the story, The Never Ending Story? As the boy is reading a book, it is being written.
Time is an illusion. Everyone is alive to Jehovah right now. Do you think Jehovah does not exist over all time as Holy and ONE?

In practical terms it means that the prophets can warn me about what I am about to do. They are not guessing. Holy means not to assume anything imho.

savagewind · Jul 30, 2016

I never said that it is not good to know what is written. I am saying that it is not what saves a person to Jehovah.

Kent856 · Jul 30, 2016

savagewind said:
Time is an illusion. Everyone is alive to Jehovah right now.

Ohh you mean God is with the literal King David right now

I see now.

However I think you'd agree time is not an illusion, Jehovah created it. However, you are correct that He exists outside the boundaries of time and is not limited by it. I dont know how he chooses to view our dimension, whether he chooses to view all moments in time at the same.. time

Or whether he chooses to limit his view of time.

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