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Let's Talk About the Holy Spirit

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
No third option allowed in the minds of JWs, which often leads to slanging matches when JWs and others can't agree on the plain truth of Scripture. Can we not just agree to disagree. Must JWs insist on insinuating that all who disagree with them are liars, apostates and God-forsaken?

Where have we ever said that? If you disagree with the truth, then you are accepting something in its place. As free willed individuals, we can believe whatever we like....but it won't get us life. There is one road...not many roads. We are either on it or we aren't. From God's viewpoint, we are either "sheep" or "goats"...there is no third option. There is only truth and falsehood....we choose.

My faith allows me to give you the benefit of the doubt, that you can be sincerely God-loving, God-seeking and God-serving and still have a few things wrong. Your faith seems to say, you disagree with me therefore you are wrong, you are self-seeking, satan-worshipping etc, etc...

I can think you are misled but the other descriptors are your own.


Please refer to last paragraph. :oops:

Does that mean you don't have a brotherhood with whom to fellowship? I can't go to a website to find out about your brethren?
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Who else believes what you believe then? How do you fulfill Hebrews 10:24-25?
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
If these comments are directed at me specifically than they would not only be an assumption but could maybe border on slander too, if I was being sensitive.:flushed: Because I have personally studied with 2 different JWs couples in 2 different countries and we agreed on almost all points except they took issue that I prayed to Jesus and tried to convince me that I shouldn't. And I took issue with their issue coz Jesus had personally answered my prayers, as He continues to do to this very day. To deny that, felt like I would be denying Christ and I just couldn't do that.

There is not a single verse in the Bible that tells us to pray to Jesus...but it says we should pray "through" him, (in his name) He is the one who carries our prayers to the Father. He is our High Priest who intercedes for us. Jehovah is called "the hearer of prayer", (Psalm 65:1-2) which means that he does not delegate that to anyone else, not even to Jesus. The Father personally hears our prayers of faith and answers them. Who did Jesus pray to? Himself? It is not the role of the son to answer prayers.

You have no idea how much I really wanted to be accepted by JWs because they seemed so fervent in their faith as servants of God and God knows I was yearning for such a family. But this one major point we couldn't get passed. The identity of Christ. And to this day, it remains the number one issue I have with JWs. You are a Jehovah's Witness, I am a Jesus Witness who believes that Jehovah was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself. To say Jehovah is separate to Jesus, for me personally, is like saying that the temple is empty of God's Holy Spirit.
I have been part of Jehovah's family for over 45 years and I have not once wavered in my faith or been stumbled by a single belief.
I can't see how this is even an issue scripturally.....but it seems more personal to you. We have to worship the Father as Jesus did. We pray to him as Jesus did, he addressed his model prayer to "OUR Father who art in heaven"...meaning that he included himself in the "OUR".

Jesus said Himself:

"And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him." John 8:29

And what makes you think that this scripture says anything other than the fact that Jesus was always under his Father's care when he walked the earth as a mortal human?
The only time he was "forsaken" was when his life was taken in sacrifice. God had to withdraw his protection to allow his son to die.
How is the fact that Jesus wanted to please his Father something that leads you away from the God of Jesus?

For me, Jesus is the temple that I worship at and He hears me Deeje, He hears me!

As our High Priest, he hears the prayers of all faithful ones and carries them to the Father. Of course he hears you!

Not because I'm righteous but coz He is, and He's faithful.
Faithful to His Word as written plainly in the Scriptures.

""He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, 'From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.'" But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified." John 7:38-39

We don't have to depend on extra-biblical texts and websites. Just child-like faith in the words of Jesus is enough.

What was the spirit that Jesus' disciples were to receive after his glorification? At Pentecost, what did it mean for them?
 
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Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
I agree with most of what you said here except for the "has to be a collective" part but please please don't assume it's coz I don't like collectives or meeting with fellow believers coz if that were true I wouldn't be here at this forum.

You think that Jesus wants us to just come together on internet forums?
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Deuteronomy 31:12
"Gather the people together, the men, the women, the children, and your foreign resident who is within your cities, in order that they may listen and learn about and fear Jehovah your God and take care to carry out all the words of this Law."

Acts 2:42
"And they continued devoting themselves to the teaching of the apostles, to associating together, to the taking of meals, and to prayers."


This is how God's people have always met for instruction and worship. Face to face with fellow believers.

That's it Deeje! I agree wholeheartedly with what you wrote here. I suppose our difference lies in what or who we identify "Babylon the Great" to be. And it's totally understandable from your perspective that you see yourself as outside of "Babylon the Great" because you believe wholeheartedly that you are a part of God's collective, being the JWs. But for people like me who don't believe that about JWs I am doing as God commanded by keeping away from them.

Unless we obey the command, we will go down with them. Those are God's words, not mine. Do you honestly think that at this point in time when the revelation is undergoing fulfillment that God would leave his people in any doubt as to how to obey that command? We don't have time to dangle our feet over the edge of a fence as if there is middle ground here. We have to make a clear cut decision before Christ comes as judge......time is running out.
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Despite our differences Deeje, I see your sincerity and I hope you can see mine too.
Kind regards

Thank you for that JB. I see your sincerity too, but Jesus isn't going to turn into the holy spirit any time soon.
Jesus was a recipient of the holy spirit at his baptism which empowered him to perform miracles from that time onward. He sent the holy spirit to his disciples at Pentecost days after his ascention, so that they too could do supernatural things, like healing the sick and raising the dead and speaking in foreign languages.

The holy spirit is not Jesus, but it empowered him and his disciples. It is God's spirit and it is sent to accomplish God's will.
 

JesusBeliever

Active Member
Hi Deeje,

Just wanna say I do appreciate the time you take to reply in the thorough and direct manner you do. And I'll try to do the same but probably at a much slower pace. Coz you're really good at this, putting your thoughts on screen in a very quick fashion! If you could only see how long it took me just to write that sentence! :sleeping:

Half an Aussie is better than no Aussie at all.....

We can give each other a bit of leeway. On internet forums things don't always come across the way they were intended.
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Good ole Aussie humour :relaxed: love it! Just no more under-handed bowls ok? :blush: Nah lol, just kidding. Coz I would have to admit I'm half responsible for that!;)

You have that a bit skewed actually. We do see our role in the kingdom differently to the churches and we see the nature of God completely differently but we preach to all regardless.
Reading this reminded of what the first JW couple told me about their beliefs and that was that the 144,000 are those that are found worthy to dwell in God's presence in heaven. While the rest will dwell here on earth with Jesus. They were shocked that I wanted to dwell with God in heaven rather than remain here on earth for the millenium. I think it had a lot to do with where I was at with the world at that time. But now, the thought of an earthly kingdom wherein righteousness and peace dwells is equally as appealing to me, as long as Jesus is here I think it would be great.

We are just messengers, not judges. So it is not up to us to declare someone "unfaithful"....and "apostates" can only be deemed such who purposely go against the teachings of the Christ in their words or actions. Most people don't do that. If they go against the teachings of Christ, it is mostly because they misunderstand scripture.
That's comforting to hear you say that.

Jesus himself said...."Whoever is not on my side is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters." (Matthew 12:30) Christ's true disciples are the ones doing as he commanded "in all the inhabited earth". I don't see anyone else fulfilling what Christ commanded...not the way we do.
That's one of my favourite Scriptures right there, although I sense we read it a little differently. I read it in relation to this verse (..among others):

""I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing." John 15:5

This verse also just came to mind:

"Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord." Colossians 3:16

This is a search and rescue mission, whereby we take the message out to the people the way Jesus did. (Matthew 10:11-15) "House to house" is the only way to avoid missing anyone. When emergency service workers comb a neighborhood, warning of an impending disaster, they go house to house...why? because people's lives are at stake. They can't force people to heed the warning, but they have fulfilled their obligation to them and now those people must act on what they have heard from those who were sent to find them.
I can really appreciate where you're coming from here coz that's what first drew me to JWs. It is admirable, and had it not been for that major difference between us I would have gladly joined them. That's the honest truth.

From God's viewpoint, we are either "sheep" or "goats"...there is no third option.
That's actually not true Deeje, and it is part of the reason I quoted Ezekiel 34 in a previous post because in there, there are diseased, sick and broken sheep, fat cattle and lean cattle, rams and he goats. I haven't had a chance to read your response to that post so sorry if we're going over old ground but what sticks out to me about these is how God says the following:

"And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats." Ezekiel 34:17

I associate this chapter with the coming of our Lord Jesus because we know from His own words that He would separate the sheep from the goats which are clearly both mentioned as part of His flock in this verse. Note also in verse 15 and 16 that God said He would feed His flock Himself, but that He would feed the fat and the strong with judgment. This particular section which speaks of judgment reminds me of these verses from the NT:

"According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's." 1 Corinthians 3:10-23

I can think you are misled but the other descriptors are your own.
That's comforting to hear. I think it's just the fact that you see things so black and white (no third option) that can unintentionally insinuate that's what you're calling people who disagree with JW teachings.

Does that mean you don't have a brotherhood with whom to fellowship? I can't go to a website to find out about your brethren?
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If you mean by church down the road brotherhood no I don't have one officially. I was attending the Uniting Church in Australia for a very brief period but that's another story in itself. I suppose you could go to their website but what their specific beliefs are I couldn't tell you. :flushed: Again that's another story that I'm happy to share with you in another thread, but what I especially liked about them while I was there is their active love in the community of helping the homeless, helpless and downtrodden. That's my cup of tea big time.

Who else believes what you believe then? How do you fulfill Hebrews 10:24-25?
I fellowship with Christians all of the time according to those verses from Hebrews but I suppose it depends on interpretation again. Your focus might be on the specifics on how one assembles, where and how many, while mine is on the purpose for why one assembles being expressed in Hebrews 10:24. "To stimulate one another to love and good deeds" (as the NASB puts it) which I always try to do both whether I'm online or offline.

There is not a single verse in the Bible that tells us to pray to Jesus....
I beg to differ.

but it says we should pray "through" him, (in his name) He is the one who carries our prayers to the Father.
I find this statement interesting. Jesus carries our prayers to the Father. Isn't that in itself implying that Jesus receives our prayers first? And if it does, then what would be wrong in acknowledging by Name, the one who carries them to the Father?

""In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I will request of the Father on your behalf; for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came forth from the Father." John 16:26-27

He is our High Priest who intercedes for us. Jehovah is called "the hearer of prayer", (Psalm 65:1-2) which means that he does not delegate that to anyone else, not even to Jesus. The Father personally hears our prayers of faith and answers them. Who did Jesus pray to? Himself? It is not the role of the son to answer prayers
""If you ask ME anything in My name, I WILL DO IT." John 14:14

And please don't forget Deeje that at the end of His speech in the Gospel of John, just before the verse I quoted above from John 16:26-27 Jesus said:

""These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; an hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but will tell you plainly of the Father." John 16:25

I have been part of Jehovah's family for over 45 years and I have not once wavered in my faith or been stumbled by a single belief.
I can't see how this is even an issue scripturally.....but it seems more personal to you. We have to worship the Father as Jesus did. We pray to him as Jesus did, he addressed his model prayer to "OUR Father who art in heaven"...meaning that he included himself in the "OUR".
That is true, He did include himself and it makes sense seeing that at that time He was in Human Flesh. I recall reading somewhere on one of these threads someone mention (it could have been you I'm not sure) that Jesus called Himself the Son of God. What I thought at that time but didn't have time to write it was we need to remember that He also called Himself the Son of Man because He was both. As to who He was before His incarnation I say He was the Father Jehovah while you say He was not. That's the major difference I see between us. You believe I dishonour Jehovah by praying to Jesus while I believe I honour both. Are we allowed to let God be the judge in this matter? Coz I am willing!
 

JesusBeliever

Active Member
How is the fact that Jesus wanted to please his Father something that leads you away from the God of Jesus?
It does surprise me to hear you speak this way as if following, praying and trusting in Jesus is equivalent to being led away from the God of Jesus. "My sheep hear my voice" Jesus said. "And they follow me!"

""All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."" John 6:37-40
Of course he hears you!
I am surprised and thankful to hear you say this. But at the same time confused as to why you then (or maybe just some JWs???) take issue with the way I pray seeing that He doesn't take issue with it if He hears me?
You think that Jesus wants us to just come together on internet forums?

Deuteronomy 31:12
"Gather the people together, the men, the women, the children, and your foreign resident who is within your cities, in order that they may listen and learn about and fear Jehovah your God and take care to carry out all the words of this Law."

Acts 2:42
"And they continued devoting themselves to the teaching of the apostles, to associating together, to the taking of meals, and to prayers."


This is how God's people have always met for instruction and worship. Face to face with fellow believers.
"The Law... and the teachings of the Apostles" are what stand out to me most about these 2 verses but most often than not the first thing I'm shown by JWs at my door is the JW's Awake magazine that assumes to teach the truth about the Law and the Apostles rather than let the book speak for itself. Admittedly my "associating together" is far from perfect but like I said earlier, that might be better left for another conversation. You can judge me on it if you like, but the Lord knows I have tried and continue to try as much as is in me to take every opportunity to fellowship with His followers where ever and whenever I might meet them, whether online or off. Some people are happy to seek that fellowship once a week, I on the other hand seek it daily:

""Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst."" Matthew 18:19-20

Unless we obey the command, we will go down with them. Those are God's words, not mine. Do you honestly think that at this point in time when the revelation is undergoing fulfillment that God would leave his people in any doubt as to how to obey that command? We don't have time to dangle our feet over the edge of a fence as if there is middle ground here. We have to make a clear cut decision before Christ comes as judge......time is running out.
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I agree and I have already chosen Jesus Christ.
I just wish this was enough for JWs like yourself but it just never seems to be.

The holy spirit is not Jesus, but it empowered him and his disciples. It is God's spirit and it is sent to accomplish God's will.
There always seems to be some mental calculation that I must make to be acceptable to JWs. But I know that I am accepted by the one who gave His life for me. I just wish that was all that mattered. Coz that matters to Him!

"To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus." Romans 3:26

From what I read in the Scriptures, we are brethren with JWs simply for the fact that we both believe in Jesus. IMHO it is JWs who set themselves apart from their other brethren and not the other way around. And even if I was right in this, I can't exactly criticise coz I too could be accused of the same. You are all brethren to me, whether you all accept me as such or not.
 
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Yoshua

Well-Known Member
The activity of the apostates was already in evidence at the end of the first century, but once the apostles were gone, there was nothing to stop them. Men became thoroughly corrupt and Christianity right along with it. By the time of Constantine in the fourth century, the time and circumstances were right for a complete take-over in the form of a Universal religion enforced on the people by its pagan Emperor.....not because it was true religion, but because Constantine wanted to unite his divided empire. Roman Catholicism was introduced as the state religion and it pleased everyone because it had enough elements of Christianity and paganism for people to accept this compromise of a fusion religion. Constantine himself never became a Christian.
The rot set in and Christianity became nothing like the one Christ began. There is not even the vaguest resemblance between Roman Catholic practice and the Christianity introduced by the Christ. If you have grown up in the church, you will never know this.
Hi Deeje,

It is like you're saying there is no one (Christian) left, the body of Christ was corrupted, as well as the teachings of Christ. First of all, who said that the teachings of Christ were corrupted?? Where did you read that?
Yes it did. It accomplished everything that the Father sent it to do. It is his holy spirit which serves to bring his will to fruition. It is the exercise of the greatest power in the universe.

Matthew 12:31-32: (see also Luke 12:8-12)
"31 “For this reason I say to you, every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven. 32 For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come."

Did it never cause you to wonder how we can grieve the son of God but not the holy spirit? The holy spirit is what was used to prove that the actions of Jesus and his apostles were from God. To deny what was right in front of their noses was blasphemy. The Pharisees accused Jesus of gaining his power from the devil! (Matthew 12:22-30)
Like Moses, Jesus was a man....100% human, (though sinless) and as such he could not perform supernatural acts without the aid of God's spirit. Just as Pharaoh denied the power of God demonstrated through Moses among the Egyptians, so the Pharisees denied the power of God's spirit among the Jews through Jesus.

The holy spirit is NOT a person. It is not part of a godhead because this godhead is an invention of apostate men.
If the Holy Spirit speaks, grieves and convicts, then how come it is not personal/person?

Thanks
 

Yoshua

Well-Known Member
10. My group has congregations all over the world and preaches the 1,000 yr reign of Christ on a paradisiac earth similar to the JW's . I don’t think church size and outreach are indicators for having the one and only truth.
Hi James,

Do your church or your group have a website?

Thanks
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
@Deeje What do you think of the scriptures I provided for proof it means to gather to the body of The Christ?

1 Corinthians 12:12-27
12 Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ.13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many.
15 Now if the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.

21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tonguesd ? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.

1 Corinthians 10:17 Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.
Surely nobody can deny that a body is something with all its parts together.

Ephesians 4:3-4 3 Make every effort to keep* the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace.
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;

Ephesians 2:15-18 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

Romans 5:2 through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand**. And we boast in the hope of the glory of God.

*do not forsake your gathering TOGETHER.
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Separately???????????????? No! TOGETHER

Your rebuttal is to quote the LAW and when you do that you are contradicting your own belief that Jesus ended that law for a better law of freedom.
You are not free. You must show up at the Kingdom Hall whenever you can. You must know that not everyone who attends the Kingdom Halls are really for God's will be done. How can you?
 

james2ko

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Hello, James. If you'll notice, I said 'pronoun', not noun. Ex.: He, she, it. In the Scriptures, do you ever read, in reference to Jesus (or any intelligent person), "it said to....."? Or "it felt hungry"? No. It's always, "He said to...", or "he felt hungry." But the neuter pronoun "it" is applied to the Holy Spirit, at times. That only occurs with impersonal, inanimate things.That was my point.

Can you point out a reference where the holy spirit is referred to as "it"?

Hi James, Do your church or your group have a website? Thanks

Yes it does.
 
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savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
@ Deeje Something else to consider God's togetherness.

It is mankind's manner to reject what they do not understand. When Jesus commanded that you do not despise a little one it means to not forbid him from gathering together with you. Matthew 18:10

When Jesus commanded to preach, he commanded you to go everywhere, meaning there is not a person who's faithful to gather to Christ's body who you should reject. Matthew 28:19 We are all imperfect and we will find the way to get along with others in Christ a hardship sometimes. When that happens DO NOT FORSAKE it. When someone enters into Christ's presence who you believe is not worthy DO NOT FORSAKE gathering with even that one. OK?
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
Piffle! I do not believe in Babylon the Great. She does. I think I know how to talk another person's language and that is OK imho.
 

james2ko

Well-Known Member
I've been here since 2010. You've known me since 2012. When have you seen me share my organization's identity to those who ask on this hostile site? That's right.....Never..
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
@Deeje you might be thinking that you DO invite whomever into your gatherings. (Note the plural form.)
But into the body of Christ (which is one) go only those who will cooperate with it. Right?
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
I've been here since 2010. You've known me since 2012. When have you seen me share my organization's identity to those who ask on this hostile site? That's right.....Never..
That is not quite true. I have never asked you for it so I would not know that it is a secret.
 

james2ko

Well-Known Member
That is not quite true. I have never asked you for it so I would not know that it is a secret.

I did not say you specifically asked me for it. I said, "...when have you seen me share my organization's identity to those who ask.." Many have asked directly and indirectly.
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
I did not say you specifically asked me for it. I said, "...when have you seen me share my organization's identity to those who ask.." Many have asked directly and indirectly.
I think you might be assuming I pay more attention to this forum than I actually do. That is what I meant.
 

james2ko

Well-Known Member
I think you might be assuming I pay more attention to this forum than I actually do. That is what I meant.

Fair enough. So for at least the 23,000+ times in four years that you have paid attention, do you ever recall me sharing the identity of my organization on this site?
 
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