Augustus
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Analysis of that here. Seems some people in the computer security sector consider there to be a pretty good case for it.
http://www.defenseone.com/technolog...influence-election-american-president/130163/
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Analysis of that here. Seems some people in the computer security sector consider there to be a pretty good case for it.
http://www.defenseone.com/technolog...influence-election-american-president/130163/
How about that....the Russkies are helping us with their efforts to make governance more open to public view.
Not so evil an empire after all.
Augustus
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With his America first rhetoric, and downplaying of NATO, it would be great for Putin.
Also many in the State Department have a Cold War type mentality and Trump would likely have less time for an ideologically inclined Foreign Policy. Recent US policy has been deliberately antagonistic towards Russia for ideological reasons (helping foment the revolution in Ukraine, NATO expansion, etc.).
Why do you think Trump would be a more dangerous foe? There's a decent chance he wouldn't be a foe at all. Hillary on the other hand would likely be more hostile than Obama.
All that you say is possible.
And I cannot argue against any of it.
Sorry 'bout that.
The substance of the actual leaks hasn't yet lived up to the headlines about them.
So I don't expect any political effect.
Thus, I don't think Putin is behind them.
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averageJOE
zombie
More proof that the election was rigged.
Donald has basically told Putin that if the attacks neighbouring countries the U.S. might not stand up to him. Donald's ignorance and arrogance makes him weak, and Putin loves that.
And please understand, this kind of dangerous ignorance and weakness that can lead the U.S. to war.
Like the kind of dangerous ignorance which induced Hilda to vote for the Iraq war?
You're not making my voting decision less difficult, bub!
I'll be satisfied if I can just do my part to make it as hard as possible for you.
The only difficulty is choosing between the comfortable but certain loss of Johnson,I'll be satisfied if I can just do my part to make it as hard as possible for you.
or the very real possibility of Trump defeating the Hildabeast. So far, you haven't
come even close to making Hilda more appealing than Donald. As for the latter,
most attacks upon him here are off the mark. His major problems for me are in
his proffered agenda, eg, he's a big government guy with much unpredictability.
Found another good one in the leaks that I don't think has been shown in media yet (I dunno, so much floating around).
Working title: "Has now been fixed!"
This deals with 'Chaos at Nevada Democrat Convention' where Bernie supporters were very unhappy with how things went down. RealClearPolitics wrote story on it. DNC (national) didn't like how that story was being written and essentially made sure any culpability regarding them didn't appear in the story. The funny thing is: the (still) existing URL for the story has the exact wording that the 'DNC leaders' had edited out. How nice to be able to manipulate the media, and remove indication of your involvement, only to have the URL still reveal that.
RE: Chaos At Nevada Democratic Convention; DNC Leaders Flee Building As Sanders Supporters Demand Recount | Video | RealClearPolitics
Working title: "Has now been fixed!"
This deals with 'Chaos at Nevada Democrat Convention' where Bernie supporters were very unhappy with how things went down. RealClearPolitics wrote story on it. DNC (national) didn't like how that story was being written and essentially made sure any culpability regarding them didn't appear in the story. The funny thing is: the (still) existing URL for the story has the exact wording that the 'DNC leaders' had edited out. How nice to be able to manipulate the media, and remove indication of your involvement, only to have the URL still reveal that.
RE: Chaos At Nevada Democratic Convention; DNC Leaders Flee Building As Sanders Supporters Demand Recount | Video | RealClearPolitics
esmith
Veteran Member
Seems that the Dems aren't as inclusive as the portray themselves.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/5073
and
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/detailed-list-findings-wikileaks-dnc-document-dump/
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/5073
and
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/detailed-list-findings-wikileaks-dnc-document-dump/
Mr Spinkles
Mr
I have read several of the emails posted and I have to say, I'm a little underwhelmed so far. Maybe I just haven't seen the worst emails yet. However, I fear that once again, just as we saw with Benghazi and with Clinton's emails, the Right is going to make so many mountains out of molehills that it will become difficult for an objective observer to cut through the noise and discern what (if any) substantial wrongdoing has been perpetrated.
For example, this one: https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/10928
Based on what is contained in the email chain, it looks like the DNC asked RealClearPolitics to clarify this sentence:
"DNC leaders refused to reconsider their decision not to allow this, adjourned, and fled the building amid a chorus of boos; leaving hotel security and local police officers to handle the angry Sanders supporters."
It was changed to read this:
"State party chair and DNC executive committee member Roberta Lange refused to reconsider their decision not to allow this, adjourned, and fled the building amid a chorus of boos; leaving hotel security and local police officers to handle the angry Sanders supporters."
What, exactly, is the problem here? There's no indication the DNC did anything beyond complain about, what appears to be, an imprecise and inaccurate characterization in an article.
But if you assume the DNC is evil to begin with, take some of the emails out of context and sprinkle in a little suggestion, it's easy to see how the imagination can be filled with all sorts of sinister goings-on that are not actually proved.
Again I don't have any desire to defend the DNC or any reason to believe they haven't done nefarious things. On that, I am still deciding. What I know for sure is that Republicans are going to exaggerate the heck out of it.
For example, this one: https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/10928
Based on what is contained in the email chain, it looks like the DNC asked RealClearPolitics to clarify this sentence:
"DNC leaders refused to reconsider their decision not to allow this, adjourned, and fled the building amid a chorus of boos; leaving hotel security and local police officers to handle the angry Sanders supporters."
It was changed to read this:
"State party chair and DNC executive committee member Roberta Lange refused to reconsider their decision not to allow this, adjourned, and fled the building amid a chorus of boos; leaving hotel security and local police officers to handle the angry Sanders supporters."
What, exactly, is the problem here? There's no indication the DNC did anything beyond complain about, what appears to be, an imprecise and inaccurate characterization in an article.
But if you assume the DNC is evil to begin with, take some of the emails out of context and sprinkle in a little suggestion, it's easy to see how the imagination can be filled with all sorts of sinister goings-on that are not actually proved.
Again I don't have any desire to defend the DNC or any reason to believe they haven't done nefarious things. On that, I am still deciding. What I know for sure is that Republicans are going to exaggerate the heck out of it.
More about Assange's ties to Russia, some of which are a bit creepy: http://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-dismantling-of-dnc-is-clear-attack-by-putin-on-clinton/
Mercy Not Sacrifice
Well-Known Member
As far as what WikiLeaks showed out of tens of thousands of emails, basically what just a tiny few of them come down to is that Debbie Wassermann Schultz called Bernie a poopy-head.
Meanwhile, I have some serious concerns as to whether any of Putin, Julian Assange, and Trump are in bed with one another. Trump's comment about the hacks, regardless of whether it was a poorly executed joke, was very, very telling.
The way I see it, if republicans want to use the DNC leaks as a moral and ethical ground, then they should release all their emails. Let each us compare and contrast both sides without "assistance" from unknown hackers and a known biased web site OWNER to come to an objective conclusion.
Mercy Not Sacrifice
Well-Known Member
And Donald Trump's tax returns. It is unprecedented that the presidential candidate of a major political party won't do this.
At first I thought he had something rather petty to hide such as tax breaks all over the place, but now I'm thinking whatever he is hiding could be far more serious. All he has to do to alleviate these concerns is just to release the returns already!
esmith
Veteran Member
and how about the Hillary releasing the 30,000 emails she deleted.
Mercy Not Sacrifice
Well-Known Member
Yessss. Let's talk about those email hacks, shall we? How curiously timed that release was. Who Julian Assange has ties to and how he has fled extradition for rape charges. How it took an entire day for Donald Trump to claim that he was joking that he wanted the DNC hacked.
How Donald Trump's having ties to the Russian government is not out of the question, and releasing those tax returns would go a LONG ways towards alleviating those concerns.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
God, it seems like only yesterday that Julian Assange was the darling of the left and whistle-blower extraordinaire.
Goodliness is measured by usefulness to Democrats, eh?