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Is it Possible for The Messiah to Stop the Destruction?

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
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So there are all these negative things prophesied within the Abrahamic texts; yet is it possible that The Messiah could just fix everything between us instead, and build world peace or do we have to have ultimate destruction of everything, before anyone will listen, as the books seem to imply? o_O

Now understand some of the Messianic prophecies of literally no death, needs a new operating system install first; yet could we start on some of the easier things first? :innocent:
 

JesusBeliever

Active Member
So there are all these negative things prophesied within the Abrahamic texts; yet is it possible that The Messiah could just fix everything between us instead, and build world peace or do we have to have ultimate destruction of everything, before anyone will listen, as the books seem to imply? o_O

Now understand some of the Messianic prophecies of literally no death, needs a new operating system install first; yet could we start on some of the easier things first? :innocent:
Hi there, what did you have in mind?
 

rusra02

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Premium Member
So there are all these negative things prophesied within the Abrahamic texts; yet is it possible that The Messiah could just fix everything between us instead, and build world peace or do we have to have ultimate destruction of everything, before anyone will listen, as the books seem to imply? o_O

Now understand some of the Messianic prophecies of literally no death, needs a new operating system install first; yet could we start on some of the easier things first? :innocent:
I believe that the Messiah will accomplish Jehovah's will to remove the wicked, and save the meek ones. Daniel 2:44 promises that "the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever." It is the Messiah or Christ that rules this kingdom, and destroys all enemies of God. (Revelation 19:11-21) Since God has purposed this, nothing can prevent it, IMO.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
what did you have in mind?
How do you mean, In what way can we stop the destruction or what destruction was meant Biblically?
Since God has purposed this, nothing can prevent it, IMO.
It is true that what God has set in motion can't be stopped; yet what if God's plan isn't to kill everyone, yet to educate them all...

The rider on the white horse in Revelations, fights people with a sword from his mouth, not to kill, yet to educate. :innocent:
 

savagewind

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I believe that the Messiah will accomplish Jehovah's will to remove the wicked, and save the meek ones. Daniel 2:44 promises that "the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever." It is the Messiah or Christ that rules this kingdom, and destroys all enemies of God. (Revelation 19:11-21) Since God has purposed this, nothing can prevent it, IMO.
Haha. I have said before and I am saying it again that Daniel 2:44 might have been written as; the word of God that the nations will crush (Strong's 1855) and then make fade (Strong's 5487) but it will stand forever.

Why would I dare say this? OMG. Because it is what happened and is happening. God set up God's Kingdom in Israel. When the Lord appeared, the nations together crushed (תַּדִּ֤ק) him. After and since that the nations have wrought the disciples of Jesus meaningless and unimportant (וְתָסֵיף֙)

Why does Jehovah allow it? Oh, I don't know. 2 Corinthians 12:10
Romans 8:35
2 Corinthians 6:4
2 Corinthians 13:4
2 Thessalonians 1:4
2 Timothy 3:11
Romans 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Matthew 24:13
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
How do you mean, In what way can we stop the destruction or what destruction was meant Biblically?

It is true that what God has set in motion can't be stopped; yet what if God's plan isn't to kill everyone, yet to educate them all...

The rider on the white horse in Revelations, fights people with a sword from his mouth, not to kill, yet to educate. :innocent:
You are calling Jesus the rider of the white horse.

The rider of the white horse is the Jesus the nations allow. It is not the real Son of God. OK? Please.
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
Jehovah is nowhere pictured with arrows but Jonathan is.

You can see that the rider of Revelation 6:2 has no arrows. A king with a bow but no arrows. Come on!
 

JesusBeliever

Active Member
How do you mean, In what way can we stop the destruction or what destruction was meant Biblically?

It is true that what God has set in motion can't be stopped; yet what if God's plan isn't to kill everyone, yet to educate them all...
I think this is very possibly the case. Here's an example of destruction that results in being saved:

1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
 

JesusBeliever

Active Member
Are you calling the rider a good person?
May I just say that it appears you are both making references to 2 different scriptures.

Savagewind, your posts seem to be referencing Rev 6:2.

"And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer." Revelation 6:2

While Wizanda's post was making reference to Rev 19:11-16:

"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." Revelation 19:11-16

Wizanda's original comment:

The rider on the white horse in Revelations, fights people with a sword from his mouth, not to kill, yet to educate. :innocent:
There is no mention of a sword coming from the mouth of the Rev 6:2 rider.
So it appears that you are both right! :)
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
May I just say that it appears you are both making references to 2 different scriptures.

Savagewind, your posts seem to be referencing Rev 6:2.

"And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer." Revelation 6:2

While Wizanda's post was making reference to Rev 19:11-16:

"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." Revelation 19:11-16

Wizanda's original comment:


There is no mention of a sword coming from the mouth of the Rev 6:2 rider.
So it appears that you are both right! :)
Thank you.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
As I told Jesus in a dream once: stop with the martyrdom crap ... it takes ALL of us (maybe not literally "all", but a sizable portion) to fix the problems of the world. Some problems may not be fixable (the sun blowing up would be one), but there are so many that just a little creativity and spine can fix.
Wonderfully said, I was just going to say the same thing.:)
 

Rise

Well-Known Member
So there are all these negative things prophesied within the Abrahamic texts; yet is it possible that The Messiah could just fix everything between us instead, and build world peace or do we have to have ultimate destruction of everything, before anyone will listen, as the books seem to imply? o_O

Revelation says that, despite all these bad things happening, the enemies of God refuse to repent of thier wicked ways. The way to salvation is preached to them but they steadfastly refuse it even while all hell is literally breaking loose. They are given a choice.

The destruction seen in revelation is largely what man brings on themselves through worshipping satan and his world system. God and his people have restrained the evil of satan thus far, but what we see in the end appears to be an unleashing of everything satan wishes he could do. People experience for a brief time what its like to live in a world more completely dominated by satan. To the point where if it went on any longer the Bible says everything would die.

This will be a stark contrast to what the peace of the messiah's reign will be like when He returns to destroy satan and the enemys of God.

The wrath God brings at the end is about justice. Those who would not repent of their evil ways, who were intent on destroying God's people, will be killed in an act of protection for God's people.

So to answer your question: God isnt going to override your freewill to choose to do what is right. Which means people's stubborn refusal to repent will be what brings the consequences of sin and necessity of judgement.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
So there are all these negative things prophesied within the Abrahamic texts; yet is it possible that The Messiah could just fix everything between us instead, and build world peace or do we have to have ultimate destruction of everything, before anyone will listen, as the books seem to imply? o_O

Now understand some of the Messianic prophecies of literally no death, needs a new operating system install first; yet could we start on some of the easier things first? :innocent:

Dear w,
When people repent and turn from sin, which is transgression of the law, then a respite is given. As in the case of Noah, and Sodom and Gomorrah, there seems to be a limit. In the case of Jonah, God relented with respect to Niveveh when they turned from their wickedness (Jonah 3:10).

With respect to Revelation 9:20, apparently after 1/3 of mankind is killed by fire, etc. "the rest of mankind" "did not repent of the works of their hands" (idols). They preferred their murders, sorceries, immorality, and their thefts. (Rev 9:21)
 

12jtartar

Active Member
Premium Member
So there are all these negative things prophesied within the Abrahamic texts; yet is it possible that The Messiah could just fix everything between us instead, and build world peace or do we have to have ultimate destruction of everything, before anyone will listen, as the books seem to imply? o_O

Now understand some of the Messianic prophecies of literally no death, needs a new operating system install first; yet could we start on some of the easier things first? :innocent:

wisanda,
Jehovah, the God who had the Bible written, is the most forgiving person in existence, but His forgiving does not go on forever. Remember, in the Hebrew Scriptures, how God made a Covenant with the Jewish nation, but they kept turning away from Him, so He allowed them to be conquered and punished, over and over again. The Jews were actually under a Theocratic Government for much of their history, but God realized they were not going to return to Him so He allowed Babylon, with Nebuchadnezzar the King, to destroy Jerusalem and the Great Temple that Solomon built. From that time on they were symbolically brought down and the Gentiles were put over the Jews. This would be until the Messiah would come. Daniel prophesied exactly when the Messiah would appear, Daniel 9:24-27. The Jews in the first century understood Daniel's prophecy, and they were looking for the Messiah, when he came, but they first thought that John the Baptist was the Messiah, Luke 3:15,16.
The Jews, as a whole, would not accept Jesus as the Christ, even had Jesus murdered. Because they turned away from God, God removed His blessing from the Jews, and then His Chosen People became the Christians. Because the whole Jewish system was so corrupt God allowed the Romans to destroy Jerusalem and the whole Jewish system. The Jews were not allowed to even enter Jerusalem for many years.
Starting in the year 1914, we have been in the last days of this wicked system. That was the year that Daniel's prophecy about the seven times, would end and again the Kingdom of God would again be raised above the Gentiles, Daniel 4:10-17. Jesus, as the King of God's Kingdom, is ruling in heaven now, and will soon come to Judge the entire earth, Psalms 110:1-4, Revelation 6:2, Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 1911-21, Acts 17:30,31.
This generation that Jesus was speaking about at Matthew 24:34-39, has become so very bad that it has been Adjudicated, Coming Judgement cannot be stopped by anyone, even Jesus. Today, even people who claim to be Christians, are the very worse people on earth. God hates Hypocracy, so anyone who wants to survive the destruction of this system of things, has a very short time to repent and find God, and obey Jesus, or they will be destroyed, gone forever, Acts 17:26,27, 2Thessalonians 1:6-10, Romans 3:5,6, 2Peter 3:3-9, Revelation 20:14,15.
 

james2ko

Well-Known Member
It is true that what God has set in motion can't be stopped; yet what if God's plan isn't to kill everyone,

His plan is not to kill everyone, during end time events, but all who refuse to repent:

Rev_16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and they blasphemed the name of God who has power over these plagues; and they did not repent and give Him glory.

Isa_24:6 Therefore the curse has devoured the earth, And those who dwell in it are desolate. Therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, And few men are left.

yet to educate them all...

Some time after the catastrophic end-time events, He does plan to educate them all. Every man, woman, and child who never got a fair opportunity to learn about The Messiah, His ways, and salvation will one day be resurrected back to human life for a period time:

Luk 3:6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

Isa 65:20 "No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; For the child shall die one hundred years old, But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.
and be offered this educational opportunity under similar circumstances Christians in this age are offered the opportunity:

Isaiah 30:20-21 He might treat you like prisoners. You might eat the bread of trouble. You might drink the water of suffering. But he will be your Teacher. He won't hide himself anymore. You will see him with your own eyes. 21 You will hear your Teacher's voice behind you. You will hear it whether you turn to the right or the left. It will say, "Here is the path I want you to take. So walk on it." (NIRV)​
 
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