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Will The West Survive?

Demonslayer

Demonslayer

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esmith said:
Interesting article. Yes I know the source it is a not on the liberal approved list nor acceptable to many liberals. Just thought the author had some interesting points.
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The article focuses on massive population growth as an indicator of which sections of the world will survive, but they have it exactly backwards. It's the places that can't control their population growth that will flounder with disease, starvation, lack of resources and abject poverty. I'm happy North America is the little yellow line at the bottom of that chart. China is the most densely populated country in the world, and you can't breathe the air over there. No thanks.

I find the premise of the article is flawed.
 
Laika

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
esmith said:
Interesting article. Yes I know the source it is a not on the liberal approved list nor acceptable to many liberals. Just thought the author had some interesting points.
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If you don't want Mexicans living in the continental US, or Africans fleeing to Europe, or to fear that you will have to live under the long shadow of mixed marriages or different religious and cultural beliefs how about not screwing up the climate so "these people" don't lose out on fresh water or food supplies and have to relocate in their tens of millions in the course of the next century?

Fighting climate change means you won't have the largest mass movement of people in human history to deal with. refugees, Immigrants, all crossing the border, All wanting the better life that white america built on the graves of native Americans and on the backs of African slaves and Chinese coolies. The genius of the founding fathers was to say "all men are created equal" but treat others as mere property exempt from rights endowed by a Christian God, and use them as the means on which white people were endowed with the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" by denying it to others. So why not break the pattern of history and put racial hatred and prejudice to good use for all mankind and maybe let the White peoples of the earth continue enjoy the historic legacy of crushing coloured people's under foot?

Go on. Save the planet and you can still have meaningful borders and myths of racial and national identity. You can still pretend to be separate and equal on the world stage and eat the food and wear the clothes shipped to you from sweatshops and factories built by coloured hands under the pretence of free trade. Let the hypocrisy of free trade and closed borders survive another century!

If you don't- everyone will have to live and work together for the survival of the human race because neither racism or nationalism will be of any use against a global environmental crisis. Either that or fall into to ever descending patterns of war and geniocide so that the white man can continue to be free on the back of others as resources become more scarce.

"White America has begun to die?" No. If White America thinks it can vote to secure its borders whilst ignoring the escalating causes of mass migration and security issues that environmental problems will bring, its already begun the process of committing mass suicide and it has only itself to blame as the "natural" leaders of mankind.
 
MysticSang'ha

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Sunstone said:
I think if someone were serious about whether "the West will survive", he or she would ask a scientist like Jared Diamond, not a pundit like Pat Buchanan.
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Diamond is one of the best recently in anthropological sciences mainstream and in the shaping that the environment plays into cultural norms.

But compared to Buchanan, I'd rather read the Sunday comics as a better source for anthropological science.
 
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suncowiam

Well-Known Member
esmith said:
Interesting article. Yes I know the source it is a not on the liberal approved list nor acceptable to many liberals. Just thought the author had some interesting points.
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Ammoland... LOL

So conservatives are getting their news from this site?

Could this image best represent the mentality there?

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YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
MysticSang'ha said:
Diamond is one of the best recently in anthropological sciences mainstream and in the shaping that the environment plays into cultural norms.

But compared to Buchanan, I'd rather read the Sunday comics as a better source for anthropological science.
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Even this conservative would rather listen to or read the thoughts of Karl Marx before he would stoop to giving Pat Buchanan the time of day. Life is too short for some things, after all.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Some concept of "Western civilization" has survived since the days of the ancient Greeks (who are generally regarding as the founders of Western civilization). The "West" will survive based on numerous things, but our culture today will of course not survive, because a culture that tries to preserve itself past its life span crumbles underneath the pressure of an Iron Fist, and a healthy culture will gradually change over time, as they have always done.
Now, you probably can make a good case on why America as we know it today will not survive much longer, and it will break into a few smaller regions with Conservatives want to uphold "traditional" values while Liberals want to establish progressive ideals. But the West in general is going to remain for the foreseeable future, especially given some of the core differences between the "West" and the "East" revolve around social upbringings and conditionings, such as how we put more emphasis on the individual in the West while the East puts more emphasis on the group.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Demonslayer said:
The article focuses on massive population growth as an indicator of which sections of the world will survive, but they have it exactly backwards. It's the places that can't control their population growth that will flounder with disease, starvation, lack of resources and abject poverty. I'm happy North America is the little yellow line at the bottom of that chart. China is the most densely populated country in the world, and you can't breathe the air over there. No thanks.
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Very true. We can look at China, who is experiencing a population boom, but will run into many problems as they have a very skewed ration of men to women, and with their large population (in conjuction with American corporations taking advantage of Chinese laws to exploit workers) comes more poverty, more disease, and more social unrest. By the end of this century, the population of China is likely to not even be among the world's highest.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
YmirGF said:
Even this conservative would rather listen to or read the thoughts of Karl Marx before he would stoop to giving Pat Buchanan the time of day. Life is too short for some things, after all.
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Still, if his numbers are cromulent, he paints a picture of potentially major change here.
As these 3rd world countries produce more people than can live there, many will
naturally immigrate here. Is it good or bad for us? Uhuuhuh.....
It depends upon which values they bring & keep, & which of ours they adopt.
But I'm most uncomfortable with a burgeoning worldwide population.
Dislike global warming? It's exacerbated by such massive growth.
I rue the loss of wild areas which will be paved or plowed.

Many dislike Pat Buchanan, but I've no feelings one way or the other.
He's nonetheless provocative, thoughtful & intelligent.
 
Demonslayer

Demonslayer

Well-Known Member
Shadow Wolf said:
Very true. We can look at China, who is experiencing a population boom, but will run into many problems as they have a very skewed ration of men to women, and with their large population (in conjuction with American corporations taking advantage of Chinese laws to exploit workers) comes more poverty, more disease, and more social unrest. By the end of this century, the population of China is likely to not even be among the world's highest.
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Right, this exactly. Just because a country or region has the highest population doesn't mean it's somehow the most powerful. Quite the opposite in my opinion.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Demonslayer said:
Ahhh, so that's why half way through the article is said "White America is dying." LOL
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If black, Asian or Latino populations were declining, they'd express concern without being criticized as racist.
White folk deserve to be cut the same slack.
Besides, if we disappeared, the economy would collapse.....all that sunblock lotion would lose its market!
 
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suncowiam

Well-Known Member
Revoltingest said:
If black, Asian or Latino populations were declining, they'd express concern without being criticized as racist.
White folk deserve to be cut the same slack.
Besides, if we disappeared, the economy would collapse.....all that sunblock lotion would lose its market!
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White America is not dying... It's just not going to be the majority soon.
 
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suncowiam

Well-Known Member
Revoltingest said:
I read "dying" as a metaphor for their shrinking population.
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We probably need more facts and statistics but I don't think it is shrinking. I think its steady or slowly growing but I think other populations are simply growing more possibly via immigration, hence, why Latinos are projected to pass Whites soon.

But my point with these articles instilling words like "dying" is more based on the fear of losing the majority.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Demonslayer said:
Right, this exactly. Just because a country or region has the highest population doesn't mean it's somehow the most powerful. Quite the opposite in my opinion.
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Apartheid Africa is a great example of how a minority can hold terrible power over a majority. Numbers are entirely ineffective if you don't know how to use those numbers to further power. Even a small army can give a much larger an extremely difficult time in winning a battle if the smaller army is better trained and utilizing methods that reduce the advantage of numbers (Guerilla warfare is pretty good at this, as is how the Greeks bottle-necked the Persians during Thermopylae).
 
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