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Do you believe in the concept of the chosen people of god

jewscout

Religious Zionist
ProfLogic said:
Its not insulting that people were freed from oppression but it is when someone says they are chosen since everyone is equal in this world.

are you then saying that jews believe they are better than other people because they are "G-d's Chosen People"?
 

may

Well-Known Member
By 70 C.E., God no longer viewed the natural Jews as his chosen people. Jesus showed that God had rejected that nation and would let its capital city, temple, and system of worship come to an end. (Matthew 23:37–24:2) and it did,God chose a new nation, spiritual Israel. (Acts 15:14; Romans 2:28, 29; Galatians 6:16) It was composed of men and women chosen out of all nations and anointed with holy spirit. (Matthew 22:14; John 15:19; Acts 10:1, 2, 34, 35, 44, 45)
Some two decades after the tribulation on Jerusalem, the apostle John wrote the book of Revelation. It confirmed that great tribulation lay ahead. for a future time And, being interested in what affects us personally, we may be relieved to know that Revelation prophetically assures us that human flesh will live through this coming great tribulation. John foretold "a great crowd . . . out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues." Who are they? A voice from heaven answers: "These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation." (Revelation 7:9, 14) Yes, they will be survivors! Revelation also offers us insight into how things will develop in the coming great tribulation and how Matthew 24:22 will be fulfilled.
In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short matthew 24;22 we are in thrilling times indeed
 

Melody

Well-Known Member
Arggghhhh....my reply was almost all done in response to May's post and my husband came along and used my computer to look something up. So I'll do an abbreviated version.

May, I found that a few of your scriptural references made no sense on this topic, even when I read what came before and after the verse you quoted. The others all speak to the fact that God provided a way for the rest of the world's salvation but do nothing to negate his promise in Deut. 7:6-8.

For you are a holy people unto the LORD your God: the LORD your God hath chosen you to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because you were more in number than any people; for you were the fewest of all people: But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers.
 

Ophiuchus

Member
Any individual can be chosen by God if He/She lives righteously, and gains the trust of God. Some religios groups believe that they are all living like saints, so they assume they are gods chosen people.

The reality is that it is anybody's title who works day and night for God.

I'm sure there are "Jews" who are not chosen by God at all. There are people of all goups who are not true to their claims, and labels. Only the individual can God entrust, and choose as a messanger. In these individuals there is true righteousness.

You won't ever find them eating their tongues.

In any large group there is always a great evil. Would you like to share a name with all the abominations of your entire race, group, or religion? God does not want to share his name with these people. Yet they are a part of the label that you brand on your forehead.

The full acception of individuality is the key to universal peace. Be your own Jew, Christian, Muslim, or whatever you choose to believe aslong as you know that all of those that surround you are true to what you know God stands for, and against what God stands against. Gods laws are written clearly for all to see, nobody can bend these laws in any way, for the chosen have them written on their souls.

Impurity can be found in any Church, Mosque, or synagogue. Distance yourselves from these impurities for now so you can unite with the purification of the true God. You must tend to your groups personally in order to assure Gods name is not blasphemed. You must know that every soul that you keep in your presence is on the right path if you wish to be in the presence of God.

To be chosen by God is not to have grandfathers who were chosen. You must work now for God to see, and He will judge you not only by what you have done, but also by the deeds of those whom you keep in your presence.

Remember that we are here to tighten what the devil has loosed. ;)
 

lunamoth

Will to love
Here's a bit from Colossians:

12Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. 13Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. (Col 3)

lunamoth
 

may

Well-Known Member
Melody said:
Arggghhhh....my reply was almost all done in response to May's post and my husband came along and used my computer to look something up. So I'll do an abbreviated version.

May, I found that a few of your scriptural references made no sense on this topic, even when I read what came before and after the verse you quoted. The others all speak to the fact that God provided a way for the rest of the world's salvation but do nothing to negate his promise in Deut. 7:6-8.

For you are a holy people unto the LORD your God: the LORD your God hath chosen you to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because you were more in number than any people; for you were the fewest of all people: But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers.
yes it is quite true that Jehovah chose natural israel
Natural Israel could have supplied the full number of those who would share with the Messiah in his heavenly Kingdom as a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. But they did not appreciate their precious heritage. Only a remnant of natural Israelites accepted the Messiah when he came. As a result, only a small number were included in the foretold kingdom of priests. The Kingdom was taken away from natural Israel and "given to a nation producing its fruits." (Matthew 21:43) What nation is that?
The nation to which the Kingdom was given is "the Israel of God," spiritual Israel, made up of 144,000 spirit-begotten followers of Jesus Christ. (Galatians 6:16; Revelation 5:9, 10; 14:1-3) Some of those 144,000 were natural Jews, but most were from the Gentile nations. In that way Jehovah’s promise to Abraham, that through his "seed" all the nations would be blessed, began to be fulfilled. (Acts 3:25, 26; Galatians 3:8, 9) In that initial fulfillment, people of the nations were anointed with holy spirit and adopted by Jehovah God as spiritual sons, brothers of Jesus Christ. Thus, they too became a secondary part of that "seed."—Galatians 3:28, 29. remember Jehovah did say ... IF ....you obey my voice
If you will strictly obey my voice and will indeed keep my covenant, then you will certainly become my special property out of all other peoples, because the whole earth belongs to me. And you yourselves will become to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation." (Exodus 19:5, 6) After the people voluntarily and unanimously agreed to this, Jehovah proceeded to give them his Law—something he had not done to any other people.—Psalm 147:19, 20 but it seems there was an ...IF.... involved there , if they obeyed his voice ,all of the evidence lead to Jesus as being the one to listen to , but the nation rejected him, so now his people are spiritual Jews from all nations
The Messianic Seed was to appear in their nation. The Law pointed forward to him, would identify him, and should help them to appreciate their need for him. (Galatians 3:19, 24) Moreover, they would be given the opportunity to serve in association with that Messianic Seed as a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.—Romans 9:4, 5. but they did not want it,Jesus said,
This is why I say to YOU, The kingdom of God will be taken from YOU and be given to a nation producing its fruits. matthew21;43
 

ProfLogic

Well-Known Member
jewscout said:
are you then saying that jews believe they are better than other people because they are "G-d's Chosen People"?

Do you think you would be insulted by people who are better than you?
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
ProfLogic said:
Do you think you would be insulted by people who are better than you?

when has Judaism and the jewish people professed superiorty over other people as a standard like the Nazis did in Germany?:sarcastic

to see the term "G-d's chosen people" in context of judaism as a statement of superiorty is, at best, uninformed...
 

ProfLogic

Well-Known Member
jewscout said:
when has Judaism and the jewish people professed superiorty over other people as a standard like the Nazis did in Germany?:sarcastic

to see the term "G-d's chosen people" in context of judaism as a statement of superiorty is, at best, uninformed...

Are you saying that you know 100 percent that non of any jewish people that ever lived, never in one moment in their time thought of dominating any other culture?
 

Ody

Well-Known Member
ProfLogic said:
never in one moment in their time thought of dominating any other culture?

*sigh*

guess you have protocols of the elders of zion on your coffee table :p
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
jewscout said:
when has Judaism and the jewish people professed superiorty over other people as a standard like the Nazis did in Germany?:sarcastic

to see the term "G-d's chosen people" in context of judaism as a statement of superiorty is, at best, uninformed...

I tried to point that out in an earlier post. I was taught that this was the meaning of "chosen people" to Jews in the church in which I was raised. Well, then I got older and actually met some Jews, who were kind enough to explain it to me. Thank goodness.
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
ProfLogic said:
Are you saying that you know 100 percent that non of any jewish people that ever lived, never in one moment in their time thought of dominating any other culture?
As opposed to WHAT? WASPs who actually *have* dominated other cultures?

sheesh

Why worry about your pretend domination when we got real domination to deal with?
 

ProfLogic

Well-Known Member
Booko said:
As opposed to WHAT? WASPs who actually *have* dominated other cultures?

sheesh

Why worry about your pretend domination when we got real domination to deal with?

Do you think the action's of a few is enough to condemn people that might be associated or affiliated with a certain culture?
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
ProfLogic said:
Are you saying that you know 100 percent that non of any jewish people that ever lived, never in one moment in their time thought of dominating any other culture?

can you prove otherwise w/o citing "Protocols"...
afterall you undermined this very statement here:
Do you think the action's of a few is enough to condemn people that might be associated or affiliated with a certain culture?

again, can you prove that Judaism and/or the jewish people have professed an idea of racial/ethnic superiority equal to that of the Nazis?
or are you going to continue avoiding the question?
 

kai

ragamuffin
i think the jews chose him (god,at the time everybody else was worshiping their own gods ,it would be strange if he chose the Egyptians,
 

BruceDLimber

Well-Known Member
>Do you believe in the concept of the chosen people of god?\

Yes, and that it comprises the entireity of humanity!

Peace,

Bruce
 

ARH114

New Member
Does God have chosen people or do people have a chosen God? From what I can tell, individuals tend to choose the God (religion) that fits them best. All individuals, whether well-known and well-off or one of the common folk, choose who they want to follow day by day. If God speaks to an individual, it's because the individual would hear it and would choose that God. A divine entity doesn't have to reach down and choose, there will always be someone choosing the divine entity first. Heck, it doesn't even have to be a divine entity, one can choose oneself or one's own desires over anything else. Humans are frivolous and will be what they want to be. All humans choose to feel like they're chosen--or not chosen. Humans do all the work, it really doesn't take a God. If it makes a person feel good or feel like their work is valid, then they'll be chosen.
 

ProfLogic

Well-Known Member
ARH114 said:
Does God have chosen people or do people have a chosen God? From what I can tell, individuals tend to choose the God (religion) that fits them best. All individuals, whether well-known and well-off or one of the common folk, choose who they want to follow day by day. If God speaks to an individual, it's because the individual would hear it and would choose that God. A divine entity doesn't have to reach down and choose, there will always be someone choosing the divine entity first. Heck, it doesn't even have to be a divine entity, one can choose oneself or one's own desires over anything else. Humans are frivolous and will be what they want to be. All humans choose to feel like they're chosen--or not chosen. Humans do all the work, it really doesn't take a God. If it makes a person feel good or feel like their work is valid, then they'll be chosen.


Great points.... I was once chosen (by an understandable force which now I know) and I threw it back at itsself and said " I don't need this in my life to exists". My guess are people need something as yu said to make themselves feel good about them selves, other wise they would look at people as equal.
 

ProfLogic

Well-Known Member
jewscout said:
can you prove otherwise w/o citing "Protocols"...
afterall you undermined this very statement here:


again, can you prove that Judaism and/or the jewish people have professed an idea of racial/ethnic superiority equal to that of the Nazis?
or are you going to continue avoiding the question?

Back to the Nazi, Hitler found a way to unite his people through this strategy. Now as I mentioned before one persons monster is another's martyr. The point is every culture has some one that wants to be superior than another. It might be put out in public or kept to themselves. Some would act on it others will keep it to themselves. About the jews, just ask a palestinian in Israel and you might find your answer.
 
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