God and Reason

Unes said:

[FONT=&quot]AntEmpire,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Even though you expressed “[/FONT][FONT=&quot]order does not dictate a design/designer[/FONT][FONT=&quot]”, but interestingly your examples of natural designs would have led you to the opposite conclusion! And that is where I am![/FONT]

No, examples of order in nature, to me, show that the universe not made by a designer. Go back and read my other post, your bias made you miss what i was saying. its okay were all only human.

[FONT=&quot]I agree with your first statement. And somehow your first statement complements your second concept! In my logic, a chaotic structure which lacks any internal property which favors the formation of a well-structured design is doomed to remain chaotic. This is the well-designed property within the members of the chaotic structure which directs the chaotic structure into a well organized structure. We can witness this idea in a revolution in a society. If all the members of a revolution, lack the art of the leadership, then the revolution will remain chaotic. This is the leadership who manages the chaotic situation, and directs it to form a new order. So, a revolution without a leader is doomed to remain chaotic, and a chaotic world will remain chaotic, unless there is a property within the system which guides the disorderly particles into some orderly forms. [/FONT]

My view on chaos/order can be expressed in my view on good and evil in a person.

It is a working game, so long as the angel within us is winning but doesnt win, and so long as the devil within us is losing but is never lost.


[FONT=&quot]Cleary the condensed overview of my thoughts lacked the coherent logic, which they triggered such a well deserved rejection. This is a very important and revealing EVIDENCE. Here, I would like to try to explain that EVIDENCE in more details. Let us see if that would make any different in your opinions!? [/FONT]

Evidence would be recreating that the event is possible, as it is a miracle it is literally impossible or extremely imbrobable.

[FONT=&quot]First of all the argument which you made about the northern part of the Red Sea, from the topographical point of view that might be true, but that does not explain why all the Israelites, women and children, passed through the area and survived, and all the Egyptian army, which consisted of strong young soldiers, they all were drowned! In the Movie Ten Commandment, staring Charlton Heston, wasn’t the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Red Sea[/FONT][FONT=&quot] departed by a strong wind!? Storms do make big waves on the sea, but they do not make the sea to depart! It is amazing how the movies influence our basic cognitions to this extent! Besides, this suggestion does not match with any of the extensive archeological investigations in [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Sinai[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Desert[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Because of deserts’ arid climate, all human’s waste and garbage does preserve in deserts. No such evidences were ever found in [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Sinai[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Desert[/FONT][FONT=&quot] regarding a large number of people living there for forty years. Also, this suggestion does contradict with the Old Testament’s account! In Moses Story in the Holy Bible, the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Red Sea[/FONT][FONT=&quot] actually departed, that is why it is called a miracle! We should either accept the story the way it is written, or we should reject it altogether! Altering its contents does not serve anybody’s interest! And that is, if we are only after the truth, and we do not have any misleading agenda! Moses Story the way that it is told is conveying the idea of the existence of a powerful God, who preformed amazing miracles, to show off his power. [/FONT]

You started talking about movies and i stopped reading, sorry.


[FONT=&quot]Similar to your suggestion, few years ago, I read another story that some archeologists had found [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Mount Sinai[/FONT][FONT=&quot] in [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Saudi Arabia[/FONT][FONT=&quot]! The undercurrent connotation which the migration might have happened through the northern part of the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Red Sea[/FONT][FONT=&quot], or the existence of [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Mount Sinai[/FONT][FONT=&quot] in [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Saudi Arabia[/FONT][FONT=&quot], hints to convert a section of this fictional story into a plausible historical event! [/FONT]
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Which is what i believe 90% of the bible, and other myths, are. Actual historical events which over time come to be stories of Biblical (haha) preportions.

[FONT=&quot]And the intention for these peculiar attempts are; if there is an evidence for a section of the story to be factual, then the whole story somehow get validated! And we innocently are promoting that genius deceptive plot! I object and resent to be conned by these deceptive suggestions! [/FONT]

No, just because the city of troy was found doesn't mean the story of the illiad is entirely factual.

[FONT=&quot]Now, let me explain in some details why I believe that Moses Story is a fiction, pure and simple. The trust of my argument hinges upon the behaviors of “those Israelites, who witnessed those magnificent miracles first hand,”. In any story in order to construct the best factual scenario we need to hear the testimonies of the eye-witnesses. This is the routine in our court system, in our news media, and in our official public hearings. And then we examine the physical evidences to draw a comprehensive conclusion. In the case of Moses Story there is no physical evidence, and the geography of the surrounding lands suggests, the only way that the story could be a factual event is that; the Red Sea truly must had departed exactly the way that its author explains. [/FONT]

I believe the Israelites did leave Egypt, and it would've taken some incredible leadership to do so, I just don't believe in miracles... so it kinda ruins the crediblity of that particular account.

[FONT=&quot] There is no hearsay for these people! They witnessed all those events personally. Now, did those Israelites give any testimony regarding those events? Yes they did. Their actions and their behaviors were recorded right in the Story. By examining the actions and the behaviors of those Israelites we can construct a reasonable idea about the nature of the Moses Story. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]On top of all those fascinating miracles which the Israelites had witnessed in [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Egypt[/FONT][FONT=&quot], and personally they had experienced the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Red Sea[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Departing, the following are some of the additional miracles which those Israelites witnessed personally in Sinai Deserts. [/FONT]

How the heck are we to know if they witnessed the miracles, any account including impossible things could easily say that witnesses could attest to it, and could say that the witnesses were involved in the writing of the story.

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Unes said:

[FONT=&quot]I disagree. Intelligence is on the march. The same way that an ape is more intelligent than a fish,(because, physically, an ape can handle a tool and a fish can not.) a well educated person is far more intelligent than an Indian in the Amazon Jungle. A deeper knowledge is the sign of a more advanced intelligence. Basically, this is the exact way that the intelligence is defined! [/FONT]

1. capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc. understanding.

Man 10,000 years ago had the same capacity/capability/ability to learn, and understand. If we took a infant from 10,000 years ago and put them in a modern school they would learn just fine. I was talking about this kind of intelligence, the ABILITY to learn and understand. Now I know man back then did not learn or understan the way or the depth/breth that we do, but man back then did not have the schooling, or the many learned people before him the develope background knowledge.




[FONT=&quot]Just by the knowledge that the modern science has provided us, our understanding and our comprehension of God is far deeper than the Man’s knowledge of God in the dark ages! In the dark ages Man was occupied with many misconceptions! A person in the dark ages had hard time to grasp the rotation of earth, and now a ten years old child absorbs that concept with such an ease![/FONT]

The fact that we have this knowledge, I feel, has not given us a greater knowledge of god. If anything our ability to explain the great mysteries of the cosmos has let the god of the gaps fall more and more into the back ground of society.

[FONT=&quot]May God Bless Us All,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Unes[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]I would like to add the following passage to my previous post, elaborating on the evidences which indicate that Moses Story is just a fiction and a hoax.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]e) The unanimous advocacy by all Israelites for Swapping Almighty Jehovah with the Egyptian God of Golden Calf, takes this story to the realm of a stupid fiction, with an obvious seeded blunder within it. All twelve tribes of Israelis approved of this incredibly ridiculous Swap! Even “[/FONT]Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel[FONT=&quot]”[/FONT][FONT=&quot]who had seen God on [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Mount Sinai[/FONT][FONT=&quot] few weeks earlier, and they had described the scenery as “[/FONT]there was under his feet something like a pavement made of sapphire, and clear like the heaven itself.[FONT=&quot]” they too advocated for this ridiculous Swap! Aaron was Moses brother, who had helped Moses to present all those fabulous miracles in the Pharaoh’s court, and now he went along with this rebellion and he was the central figure to make the Golden Calf for this extremely stupid Swap! We can confidently conclude that such unanimous behavior for such Extremely Stupid swap is impossible! [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]f) This extremely bizarre behavior by the Israelites portrays them as a very unreal, super stupid, and right in the domain of totally mute people. However, these Israelites in order to charm Pharaoh they thought to build a Golden Calf in order to please Pharaoh! This goodwill gesture shows that those Israelites were very normal and very sensible people, and they were not that Extremely Stupid people, which the act of the Swap suggests.[/FONT]

AntEmpire said:

Unes said:

There is no hearsay for these people! They witnessed all those events personally.

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Unes said:

[FONT=&quot]Now, did those Israelites give any testimony regarding those events? Yes they did. Their actions and their behaviors were recorded right in the Story. By examining the actions and the behaviors of those Israelites we can construct a reasonable idea about the nature of the Moses Story.
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[FONT=&quot]On top of all those fascinating miracles which the Israelites had witnessed in [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Egypt[/FONT][FONT=&quot], and personally they had experienced the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Red Sea[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Departing, the following are some of the additional miracles which those Israelites witnessed personally in Sinai Deserts. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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How the heck are we to know if they witnessed the miracles, any account including impossible things could easily say that witnesses could attest to it, and could say that the witnesses were involved in the writing of the story.

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[FONT=&quot]AntEmpire,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Regarding the miracles in Moses Story the conclusion of my argument is in harmony with your objection of the validity of those miracles. Both arguments reject the validity of those miracles. But, the language of your argument has never been accepted by the believers. So, I have offered a new argument. The logic of my argument is used by all detectives, prosecutors, attorneys, in scientific theories, and so on all the time. In this argument, in the beginning we do NOT accuse the witness for lying! But by cross examination and comparing with the other evidences we highlight its discrepancies and its contradictions and then we conclude that the original testimony can not be right, and the witness must have been lying. As you saw my argument also concluded that those miracles never happened, and Moses Story must be a fiction and a hoax. Then, what you were shouting at!?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I wonder how you could get confused about my argument!? You might be that limited not grasping the logic of my argument, but what was your excuse not comprehending its conclusion!? This is so amusing that a trained intelligence analyst fails to digest my simple logic! (How do you examine the validity or the falsehood of an information that an informer reports!?) A layman who has watched few detective shows on TV would get my logic with an ease, and yet you failed to grasp it!!! Now I understand, how the intelligence regarding the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]WMD[/FONT][FONT=&quot] in [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Iraq[/FONT][FONT=&quot] was failed! Perhaps those intelligence analysts had similar training! [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I feel since your intelligence training has left you in such an inapt state of mind, this is my national duty to educate you a little bit of how this logic works. Please pay attention, I am not saying that those miracles happened, on contrary, my argument proves that this is a hoax! I am saying, since the Holy Bible claims that those miracles happened, then I can make the flowing assumption; if those miracles actually happened, then those Israelites who were present at the scene, they are our eye witnesses. This is not that difficult to understand, but nevertheless let me give you an example in order to make sure that you understand this simple point without any ambiguity! Assume, that you tell me, that you were in an event in [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Champaign[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Illinois[/FONT][FONT=&quot] when President George W Bush talked about a covert [/FONT][FONT=&quot]CIA[/FONT][FONT=&quot] operation. Then I can claim; that you are my eye witness for that event. This assumption is valid, without any ambiguity. And the issue that you might be lying has nothing to do with this assumption, I will deal with that possibility when I examine the other evidences. But for now this assumption should be accepted without any confusion. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Now, to review my argument I express it step by step: [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]1. If Moses Story is a factual story (a historical event) then, those Israelites are our eye witnesses.[/FONT] [FONT=&quot] (I covered this point in some details.) [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]2.[/FONT] [FONT=&quot] If Moses Story is a factual story, then the actions and the behaviors of those Israelites should be convincible and normal. (This statement is straight forward too.)[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]3.[/FONT] [FONT=&quot] Under those circumstances which I explained in details, then the action of those Israelites who rebelled to Swap Almighty Jehovah with a Golden Calf, is too bizarre and extremely unlikely. (I gave four reasons in my previous posts, and two reasons in this post, to prove this conclusion.) [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]4.[/FONT] [FONT=&quot] Since this Swap is too bizarre and extremely unlikely, then I conclude the whole story can not be a historical event. And it is a fiction! And it is a hoax! Then, at this point, based on this finding, I would say, there was no historical event, and as a result there were no eye-witnesses either. So, my first statement changes to: Moses Story is a fiction, as a result, there were no eye witnesses either! [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Now, if you still have problem understanding this straight forward argument, please explain which steps you are confused about? Please be specific explaining in some detail why you think that individual step is wrong. Please explain one step at a time.[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]Regarding the issues of the chaotic origin of the Universe, and the formation of highly organized structures which are manifested in the development of Life and its Intelligence, there is no need for me to repeat the example of the revolution and the leadership. [/FONT]

AntEmpire said:

1.capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc. understanding.

Man 10,000 years ago had the same capacity/capability/ability to learn, and understand. If we took a infant from 10,000 years ago and put them in a modern school they would learn just fine. I was talking about this kind of intelligence, the ABILITY to learn and understand. Now I know man back then did not learn or understan the way or the depth/breth that we do, but man back then did not have the schooling, or the many learned people before him the develope background knowledge.

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[FONT=&quot]Let us not forget, we are analyzing Man’s Intelligence.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]First of all we do not know how much human brain in last 10,000 years has changed. Second, we do not have access to an infant from 10000 years ago to do the suggested experiment. So, such a suggestion is absolutely a bogus suggestion. One might ask; how you figured out this brilliant suggestion!? However, intelligence does NOT define just by the Capacity, as I pointed out in my previous post. But you were too happy just with the term of Capacity! And you made it so large too!!! And you ignored the rest of the terms! This approach is very interesting, especially when it is done by an intelligence analyst!!! In the list of the definitions for the Intelligence which is defined in dictionary, you conveniently ignored the second item in that list: [/FONT]

2. manifestation of a high mental capacity.

[FONT=&quot]Now, let me give some plausible examples for manifestations of the intelligence; every year hundreds of thousands of bright students from all over the world are attending the schools in USA, with this background, in the past many of these graduates have joined many research institutions and many corporations to work. Some of these researchers have demonstrated their brilliant minds with their works in various fields. This means; if we had not provided these nurturing environments, then these great capacities would had end up to be wasted, without being able to manifest their greatness. It is so obvious that the other brilliant minds who do not get these kind of opportunities their brilliant minds are wasted all over the world. So capacity by itself can not manifest its own brilliant potentials. This is the Manifestation that exhibit the Capacity. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Manifestations also indicate of the Capacity and a lot more! Our advanced technological achievements manifest the state of our intelligence today. Even today many humans who lack these advanced scientific and technological achievements, some of them are living in caves and in jungles! And there is no sign of their great potential in the conditions that they are in. Just based on the hypothetical Capacity, someone might claim that dogs are more intelligent than humans! And by your logic you have no way to discredit that! But, because of our scientific and technological achievements we can claim with an absolute certainty that humans are the most intelligent creature on this earth. And with every new discovery that we will achieve, our intelligence is on the march for greater manifestations. That is why the intelligence is defined by all those terms and some more relevant terms. This way the Intelligence could be quantified without much guess work![/FONT]

AntEmpire said:

You started talking about movies and i stopped reading, sorry.

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[FONT=&quot]You did make the murky suggestion that “[/FONT][FONT=&quot]I have heard a few times from different sources that the Red sea parting was a typo in translation from the Reed Sea[/FONT],[FONT=&quot]” and then you refused to understand my argument; that such presumably an innocent suggestion somehow supports the validity of Moses Story, and as a result the validity of those miracles claims. Then, you also indicated that you were objecting to the validity of those miracles.Could you please have some consistency on the subject of those miracles! Should I mention that a logical consistency is another characteristic of the intelligence!? [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I hope that you are not raising these trivial issues just to be an obstructionist! I do not know you personally, I only evaluate your thoughts through the material that you wrote. Unfortunately some of those materials look mischievous to me. By making any bogus argument we waste all reader’s valuable time. And that is beneath the noble conduct that any civilized person should possess. [/FONT]


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clerick said:

My faculty of reason is my only weapon against God if the Judeo-Christian Bible is the standard this God is the most vicious egotistical monstrosity ever to exist, Lucifer as a being that told him to g stuff himself and his followers the only light. This light includes reason to treat God as a moral being and asking would a just God that is all good etc. do things that he did or ordered to do in the Bible?

To believe in God, to understand God is to also dispise God and embrace opposing God.

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[FONT=&quot]clerick,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Human’s dark side is part of our [/FONT][FONT=&quot]DNA[/FONT][FONT=&quot], and we can not disown this aspect of our human’s characteristics. Each one of us has certain talents in some fields of human activities, including the issues of the human’s dark side. Like any other talents, certain people have this God gifted talent to be brutal and vicious, and they thrive on those activities. It is worth mentioning that our selfishness is a common evil act that majority of us own a degree of it, without even paying attention to its negative impacts! We have to realize that our complex Intelligence is structured from all these opposing characteristics. And for our dark side, this is like that we are provided with an extra rope, then this does not mean that we should use that rope to hang ourselves! As our intelligence grows we excel in many fields, including in the art of brutalities and savageries. This is part of our creativity, and probably this is nurturing our intelligence in a fundamental way. Are we that limited not seeing that this primitive savage force is the driving force in our modern economy!? We all are observing how our free market economy, in its extreme implementations, mercilessly is driving all people in sane, including the rich people. At present time, as far as the balance of the power between Good and Evil, we see that our dark side is much more dominant than our passionate side. And at the same time these madness fevers are also delivering some fabulous scientific advancement. So, before we summarily curse our dark side we need to study it properly and evaluate it with some cool heads. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]If you think that Lucifer has overwhelmed God’s influence on this earth, in my view, you have got both of these two concepts all wrong. What if, it is proven that all these hardships are all by design, and they are really beneficial for the developments of our intelligence!? Nature already has developed our magnificent brain with these capabilities that they go far beyond the simple adaptation for our survival. There are no limits for our incredible ambitions! Our incredible capacity for enjoying and contemplating complex music, literature, art, creative imaginations, abstract thoughts, and scientific theories are extremely vast and limitless! We also are provided with the necessary tools in order to explore all these rich fields with brilliance and with a superb grace. These capabilities show the path for the advanced development of our intelligence might have been laid out long before than we even could have any sense for the functions of our environment, or before the primitive Man was struggling just to feed himself and protect himself against the diseases! And with this superb intelligence it seems we still need to get far more intelligent in order to be able to apply the creativity of our dark side to create a more productive and tranquil life for our entire planet. As you know, at present time our dark side is forcefully destroying this paradise, with such an incredible rate that in few centuries there might not be anything left from this beautiful paradise. Then we will be singing: “Where have all the flowers gone!?” In a peculiar way this scenario seems similar to the destruction of the Garden of Eden in Adam and Eve story of paradise, but in much grander scale! This is so strange that such an ancient story could be so relevant with our today’s possible scenario. And such a notion from the ancient past could be beneficial for us finding our way in our today’s complex economy. We see how our brilliant mind has been motivated just to pursue the misplaced competitions for profit and the desires for excessive luxuries of the material life. We live on a philosophy that vast majority of people wants to have more. And very few people are content, happy, and satisfied with what they have already got. In this environment I do not think that you need to look for an imaginary creature like Lucifer, we have been engulfed with the actions of our dark side in a very refined way! Our dark side provides us with an abundance of creativities. It is so strange that we with all our presumably wisdoms have empowered this beautiful gift to overwhelm and undermine our overall health and tranquility. Brutal acts are not limited just to the atrocities, if in the name of the profit, we lay waste to a tranquil and peaceful condition and we leave it in a ruin, then, we are committing an evil act! [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]May God Bless Us All,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Unes[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]There are numerous discussions and debates whether Jesus of Nazareth is the same as Messiah who is mentioned in many prophecies in the Holy Torah. In most of these debates and discussions the central issue is focused on the identity of Jesus, that whether the profile of Jesus of Nazareth meets the stated prophecies in the Holy Torah. These debates for the most part are fruitless, and they actually are ignoring the more relevant issue; the things that Messiah is supposed to deliver! This background identity check for Messiah is totally a minor issue, and it is totally insignificant to the Main Mission of Messiah. The whole significance, purpose, and the glory of Messiah are based on the things that he will do for the Israelites and the Mankind. Now, we should ask whether Jesus of Nazareth fulfilled the stated prophecies regarding the things that Messiah was supposed to accomplish. Jewish people rightfully make it clear that Jesus of [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Nazareth[/FONT][FONT=&quot] did not fulfill those stated Prophecies. Actually, Christians also agree with this assessment,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] but they do emphasize that those prophecies will be fulfilled in the second coming of Jesus of Nazareth. There is something fundamentally wrong with this proposition; we can not call Jesus of [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Nazareth[/FONT][FONT=&quot] to be the Messiah before he actually fulfills all those stated prophecies![/FONT][FONT=&quot] Messiah simply has to fulfill all those prophecies in order to get qualified to have that Title, otherwise, what was the purpose of announcing those prophecies at the first place!? We know we can not call any candidate for [/FONT][FONT=&quot]US[/FONT][FONT=&quot] presidency, “the President” until he/she actually gets elected. So similarly any person who claims that he is the Messiah he needs to fulfill [/FONT][FONT=&quot]ALL[/FONT][FONT=&quot] those prophecies, before we can call him Messiah. So, by just claiming that Jesus of Nazareth was descended from King David’s bloodline does not qualify him to be the Messiah. Holy Torah describes that King David had many children, then it is quite possible that many people to be of King David’s bloodline. Thomas Paine in his book “Age of Reason” pointed out the discrepancy which exists for the genealogy of Jesus between Mathew Gospel and Gospel of Luke. So, according to this discrepancy it is questionable that Jesus of Nazareth even to be of King David’s bloodline! [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]As far as fulfilling the prophecies of Messiah in the Holy Torah, I should say unquestionably King Solomon has much better qualifications to be the Messiah, than the Jesus of Nazareth! King Solomon actually created a just and a prosperous kingdom.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] To oppose this suggestion someone might argue that some of those prophecies came long after King Solomon’s reign. To that criticism, I would say when the required prophecies are ignored so grossly to this extent, then it does not matter if some of those prophecies came long after King Solomon’s reign! After all, wouldn’t it be nice if King Solomon could come back and re-establish his Kingdom for the Second time!? This sounds much better, and it is much more natural and logical! He has the experience and the credibility to do it right too! And he is from King David’s bloodline without any question or controversy. However, still someone might argue that Jesus was resurrected and he is alive and King Solomon is dead and he was buried. To answer this criticism I would refer to Luke Gospel [/FONT]9:29[FONT=&quot] As he was praying, the appearance of his face was transformed, and his clothes became dazzling white. [/FONT]9:30[FONT=&quot] Then two men, Moses and Elijah, began talking with him. [/FONT]9:31[FONT=&quot] They appeared in glorious splendor and spoke about his departure that he was about to carry out at [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Jerusalem[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]According to this passage from Luke Gospel we can claim that all righteous people from the ancient time are alive and they are living in Heaven. So, over all King Solomon is much more qualified than anybody else to be the Messiah and he can come back and re-establish his Second Kingdom with an absolute Justice and prosperity for all. [/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]May 21, 2011[/FONT][FONT=&amp] was passed, and another prophecy regarding Jesus Second Coming turned out to be false! Doesn’t this indicate another proof in falsehood of Christianity?

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]If an evangelist based on the Holy Scripture could make such a bold prophecy, and none of the Christianity branches corrected such a misrepresentation, then we can say there is something fundamentally wrong with this belief system.

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[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]May God Bless Us All,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Unes[/FONT]

The structure of this universe suggests that it is primed to produce and advance consciousness.
Our consciousness comprises from the partnership of two components; our body and our soul.

Discovery of static electric charge and subsequent discovery of electric current, and eventually discovery of electromagnetic waves and electron opened up a flood gate for many deep secrets of the nature. These discoveries helped us to acquire great in-depth knowledge about the fabric of the matter and how our physical nature functions. These findings have improved our knowledge and our technologies beyond our wildest imaginations. Now we realize that almost everything that we deal with in our physical world is formed from such basic foundation, and yet as late as eighteen century we were almost totally in dark about the nature of the electric charge, and its fundamental functions in formation of our physical world. This was so ironic that such fundamental phenomenon, which forms the fabric of everything that is around us, had eluded human’s brilliant investigative minds for that long. In a similar manner the supreme consciousness which forms the fabric of all the intelligence has eluded our brightest science researchers! Even though such an insight was recognized by early human beings as early as the time when he was dwelling in caves, but our brilliant scientists are totally questioning the validity of such phenomenon!

The supreme consciousness is connected to our environment in such seamless way that our scientists have chosen to ignore its existence in its entirety! This intelligent being is actively facilitating all aspects of our physical world, so I choose to name it the “active agent”, which is a more appropriate name for it. To recognize the existence of this active agent I suggest that we re-examine the big bang theory. At present time the big bang theory is the dominating theory of our time, and all rational people accept this theory as a fact. For sure the big bang theory is very fascinating and it is very impressive. According to the big bang theory at very beginning the Universe was consisted of pure energy. At this very early time the big bang energy had perfect symmetry and all four forces of nature were unified, and it could be described with a simple equation. Then at the period which is called inflation this energy started to expand and the four known forces of the nature along with some groups of particles came into existence, and as the expansion continued protons and neutrons were formed. This is a superb discovery which excites me enormously. By closely observing this fascinating discovery we notice in this picture one major item is missing; and that is the role which the active agent played causing the transformation of the original energy. We clearly see the expanded universe possesses many new designs and many new particles with very complex structures. These designs and complex structures were not present in the original energy, and the original energy the way it is described lacked any of these sophisticated designs, then rationally we are forced to recognize the existence of this active agent, who was responsible for all the designs and the implementation of those designs into the original energy.

Let us make an observation. In photo dated T there is a pile of some building materials on a site somewhere. In photo dated T + t it is shown instead of that building material, there is a finished building with a nice design on that site. Our common experiences tell us at the time period between the two photos there has to be an architect and some construction workers who built that structure with that design. These intelligent workers were required in order to transform those building materials into the completed building structure. Now, let us observe two other pictures; in picture #1 there is a uniform energy at display at the big bang, and in picture #2 we observe some sophisticated particles are formed and the four forces of the nature are present. In order such transformation to take place we need to identify the role of an active agent who is responsible for producing those designs and implementing them into the original energy. Our scientific analyses reject any magical event, and it insists that any phenomenon has to have a proper explanation. Any explanation of a phenomenon has to include all the elements which are present in that process. In the picture that describes the big bang theory the role of the active agent who devised and implemented those fabulous designs into the original energy is missing.

We detect the presence of the four forces of the nature by their interactions that they make on the particles that are in their adjacent space. This is the only way that we can detect the presence of these forces in the nature. In similar manner we observe that an active agent introduced and implemented the designs of the four forces and the designs of many complex particles into the original energy, for these vivid impacts we have to acknowledge the existence of this active agent.

I confidently can claim that the designs of the four forces and the particles were absent in the original energy, otherwise the original energy cannot be explained with a simple equation. We simply cannot have it both ways; either the original energy was pure energy with a simple structure, which in this case the original energy lacked the capability to design the upcoming structures, or we can claim that the structure of the original energy possessed some other properties which it could design and produce those fabulous structures in its future, then in this case the original energy cannot be explained with a simple equation! We see that this argument clearly recognizes the existence of an active agent who is responsible for the transformation of the original energy into the subsequent structures. Without the influence of an active agent the big bang model is not plausible.

Since the presence of this active agent is not accounted in the formation of the original energy, then the nature of this active agent is not based on energy, but it does interact with energy based structures. This is like the design that an architect makes for a structure, the architect’s design is manifested through the building materials, and it is not part of the building materials. If we completely demolish the structure, the design vanishes without any trace, and in the demolished materials no design of the building can be recognized. The active agent operates from the domain of the spirits, and it produced and implemented the structures of the four forces and simultaneously it designed particles and implemented them into the original energy, and this behavior still persists whenever such transformation takes place. Later I will explore this point further from some various angles. Here I should add that the interactions that active agent is implementing on various processes of this physical world happens at sub-quantum level, as a result they never can be detected by any of our scientific measuring instruments, but the results of those impacts are so vivid and so unmistakable!

The existence of uncertainty rule in our physical world indicates, that uncertainty rule was required that the contribution from the domain of spirits can be implemented, without disturbing the laws of the physical world. And this fundamental design was implanted within the fabric of our physical world. The physical and the spirits domains co-exist side by side of each other, but the domain of spirits cannot be detected by any of our physical instruments. The domain of the spirits can only be explored through the entity which is made from the substance of spirit, and human’s soul, which is our partner in our enterprise, is the entity which explores the domain of spirits all the time; our inspirations are the outcomes of such explorations.

Even though this active agent possesses fabulous intelligence and the capabilities to introduce and to implement those designs into the original energy, but I do not necessarily consider this active agent to be the same as the Creator. This active agent operates from the domain of spirits, and since domain of spirits and our physical world are closely linked together then it is reasonable to assume that the domain of spirits came into existence at the same time that the big bang energy appeared. Then, this active agent was commissioned to direct the big bang energy into the development of intelligent creatures with fabulous awareness.


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[FONT=&quot]We acknowledge that we are intelligent and we are aware of our existence. Such awareness translates and is considered as our consciousness. As our knowledge about the evolutionary processes of the nature grew we started to sense that our individual consciousness is somehow connected to a unifying consciousness which gives us a deeper outlook for the functions of this universe. Let us explore the processes which developed us and brought us up to this state of awareness. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]In the transformed universe, where the new complex particles and the four forces of nature were present, the particles were interacting with one another through the four forces. Now, in this environment an individual particle can sense and interact with other particles. These interactive particles are the first step in the development of our body, and as a result they are the foundation of all our physical awarenesses. In this context we can claim that these interactive particles possess the elements of awareness within their structures which later on they made our physical awarenesses possible. These interactive particles possess fixed form of awarenesses.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]According to Quantum theory each group of the atomic and sub-atomic particles has the same exact structure, and each particle behaves according to its statistical model. This Quantum based statistical model of the particles is similar to the statistical model which we use in our studies of human sociology, economy, health treatment, and so on. In these statistical models all humans are considered similar and each of them is presented with a number of equal values. We do understand the benefits of these statistical models for our various studies, but we do know beyond these statistical models each human individual is unique, and they have other properties which make them distinct and distinguished from one another. Extending this thought to the realm of the Quantum statistical models for atomic and sub-atomic particles, we can sense the possibility that each of these atomic and sub-atomic particles might be distinct and unique, only our Quantum uncertainty limitation bars us from observing some possible attributes which might highlight their differences, and identify their unique identity. So far we have acknowledged that the detailed structures of these particles are beyond our grasp, and we only can deal with them on the statistical level, but we sense there are more complexities within the behaviors of these particles that are beyond our comprehensions. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Actually in electron double slits experiment when an electron hits the target screen all its infinite possibilities vanishes instantly, and the position of the electron is defined at the point of its impact with the target screen. Now, if we use our imagination and slightly move the target screen toward the electron emission source, again the position of electron becomes established at the target screen which is slightly closer to the emitting source of electron. And if we continue with this mental process and incrementally move the target screen all the way toward the electron emission source, we can recognize that the electron always has a defined position and a defined pass, but electron’s complex structure causes this pass to disperse in strange directions! But since we are totally in dark regarding the internal structure of the electron, then with the statistical model we have tried to present a practical model for electron’s structure! And as far as our technologies are concern such statistical model is fine and it is producing fabulous results. However, from our knowledge point of view we are totally in dark regarding the internal structures of these atomic and sub-atomic particles. Our lack of knowledge regarding the internal structures of these particles makes it totally unacceptable to claim for the purpose of teleporting we can reproduce an exact duplicate of any of these particles at the receiving end of a teleporting. This simple point nullifies all the imaginary speculations which were made in recent Nova program entitled “Fabric of Space”. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The argument which was presented in last two paragraphs points out how vastly we are in dark regarding the structures of the atomic and sub-atomic particles. Keeping this point in mind, now let us explore some ramification of our limitation. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]When an electron changes its position a unit of awareness is created. This unit of awareness possesses some element of intelligence within it. Vast numbers (at least one thousand billions) of such units should be harmonized in a coordinated manner in order that we can recognize a simple thought in our thought processes. We do recognize such coordinated harmony is beyond the capacities of those individual electrons to manifest such harmony. This argument clearly indicates the existence of an active agent who is orchestrating, harmonizing, directing, and conducting those individual units of the intelligence into a coordinated presentation which we consider them as an action. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Also, we observe that life’s innate desires to advance its knowledge to improve its living condition are not imprinted in the structures of those building block particles. It seems this is another instruction which affects the molecules of the living creatures and giving them this innate desire for advancing the structure of their physical body. Again this innate desire which is not present in the structures of the individual atoms is another indication of the influence of an active agent in the processes of life, and our science has assumed this innate desire as an automatic property of life! And it has not bothered to ask how this property comes into being, and where is the source which creates this coordinated desire in these apparently mindless particles which give rise to a living creature. This highly coordinated behavior from these apparently mindless atoms is not justified at all! This is like we assume that a big group of dancers are preforming a master piece without any choreographer and any conductor! In the next section when I explain the nature of soul I will explore this fundamental phenomenon further. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Sometimes we intuitively feel some of our life changing events are intentionally choreographed for us! And through history some peculiar events seem they have been choreographed in order to influence our societies in a grand scale. Things like King Henry VIII desperate desires to have a male heir for his throne, Catherine of Aragon‘s failure to borne him a son, the rigid law of divorce in Roman Catholic Church, Gothenburg printing invention, Pope Leo X unbelievable disregards for his spiritual position as the head of the Roman Catholic Church and his strong desires to have fun, Martin Luther’s life threatening dare to rise against the mighty power of Pope, and his vision for a pious Christian life, and the peculiar timing of all these seemingly very unrelated events. All these major events could be considered purely a coincidence, but similar peculiar coincidences happen many times for our own individual lives, which makes us pause and reflect! Even though our individual coincidences are so minor in the skim of the world’s major events, but they do have life changing impact for the direction of our lives.[/FONT]

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We can also see the influence of the active agent in the invention of color skim (the electromagnetic spectrum); we observe that color skim is purely the invention of the living creatures, and it facilitates many functions of the living creatures. Color skim is not an intrinsic property of the electromagnetic wave structure. This functionality is another design which it seems the active agent has introduced into the fabric of our physical environment. And the color skim also has enriched our imagination a great deal, and we do need a powerful imagination in order to understand and to expand the intelligence!

Another evidence for the presence of the active agent is in some of our religions’ moral codes, for example our religion moral code warns people against the evils of the greed. These moral codes give direction toward a balanced distribution of the resources that enables all members of the society to be productive and contributing to the general well-being of the society. Such cohesive mind-set creates a warm brotherhood feeling amongst all members of the society, as a result the society would be more successful. If we assume that the ancient Man from their own limited wisdom introduced such divine law against the evils of greed, and he had no external help in that process, then we expect that the new laws in our modern society which are designed by our expert sociologists and economists, with their enormous knowledge, to be far superior to those ancient law. We see that our modern and presumably advanced economical laws have created hardship and resentment from 99% of the population. And they have made many capable workers idle and useless. And currently this stress is tearing the cohesive fabric of our society apart. So, no reasonable person can claim that our new economical laws are working better than those ancient laws which were produced by those very limited people. This observation clearly indicates that those ancient people in order to devise their superior laws they must have had some help from an external wise source, otherwise this outcome does not make any sense! Of course not all the ancient laws are helped by wise external source, human with his limited wisdom could have very well devised many of those presumably divine laws for his own self-interests! And these mixed divine laws create a real challenge for us to sort them up! Our intelligence needs to undergo enormous stresses in order to achieve excellence!



Man constantly have experienced that he was made from a body and a soul. And he has made many visions trying to rationalize this puzzling issue. But our modern study of physiology of life has placed a great doubt in validity of this old vision. In-depth analyses of life processes has end up revealing nothing, in the structure of our brain no trace of soul could be found, and furthermore the great distinction between animals and humans which the Genesis Story has placed a great emphasis on that distinction have become blurred a great deal. We readily recognize that Darwin’s theory of evolution is correct and we have evolved from ape, and now we are simply an animal with more advanced brain power, and if there is any merits for the existence of our soul, there is nothing special about our soul compared to the soul of an animal, we are simply part of the animal world, and this is in direct contrast to the claim in the Genesis Story that our soul was blown into our body from the spirit of God. So, the claim in Genesis Story has been discredited beyond the shadow of any doubt.

Now, should we conclude that our vision regarding our soul is just an illusion, or there is another explanation for this confusing entity? I think our vision and our experience about our soul is correct. However Genesis story by creating a naïve fairytale has deceived us a great deal! And that fairytale is one of the sources of our confusion.

In previous section we discussed how the active agent provides designs, and facilitate, and directs, and influences many recognizable events in our physical world, and such influences cannot be detected by our instruments since these actions happens on sub-quantum level. We also have noticed that particles of living creatures are needed to act in a coordinated and harmonized way, since such coordinating capability does not exists within the structures of the particles we can sense that there has to be a soul associated with each living cell that it is providing these kinds of conducting roles for the live cell. So, a live cell consists of two components, its physical body and its soul, these two components collectively are managing the functions of the living cell. And it is reasonable to assume that this soul is also residing in the domain of the spirits.

The bodies of multi-cell creatures operate with three distinct parts; its cells, its organs, and its individual identity. So, we can see each of these operational entities need a qualified soul to manage its functions. So, in body of the multi-cell creatures, there are souls for each cell, there are souls for each organs, and there is a soul for its identity. These multiple souls are the participating partners in the operation of all multi-cell creatures. These souls and their corresponding physical bodies collectively are managing the affairs of a multi-cell creature. And at each level they are trying collectively to improve their awareness, and this effort extends their survivability. Apparently this desire for awareness is an innate characteristic which is built-in within the fabric of the both worlds. The existence of this innate desire within the structures of these bodies points to the existence of an intent, and this intent indicates of the existence of their Creator.

Now, we recognize that thought process of our human enterprise consists of two partners; our physical body and our soul. Each of these partners has an individual identity, but they have been assigned to cooperate with each other advancing the merits of their joint enterprise. We experience the existence of these two partners when we are trying to analyze something, we feel that we are talking to ourselves; this is where the two partners are discussing the issues between themselves. Each of these partners brings their own expertise into their discussion, one from the domain of spirits and one from the domain of physical world. It seems our inspirations are the findings which our soul makes in the domain of spirits. Also when we feel a mental connection between large groups of people, this connectivity should have been processed in the world of spirits. It seems with the invention of the internet we have achieved similar connectivity in our physical world! It seems the intelligence constantly is transferred from the world of spirits into the physical world. And human is the advance channel that speeds up this process.

It seems our soul is tied to our physical body to experience life and acquire some intelligence and awareness. The functions of this universe reveal some visions about its Creator.

I also sense the existence of an over-arching supreme intelligence who is providing the circumstances and the events which is guiding us to a higher recognition of the unifying supreme spirit.

May God Bless Us All,
Unes

I like to revise some aspects of my previous post. After some pondering I think my conclusions regarding the functions of our souls were very premature, and they could not be substantiated at all! Now, I look at the same issues from a different perspective.

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There is no difference between the actions that we do consciously or unconsciously, the essences of those actions are all the same. When we accidentally touch a hot object, our hand automatically is pulled back, and then we register that the object is hot. We may exactly behave the same way when we consciously and cautiously try to examine a hot object, but this time we are conscious about our action. The essences of our actions in both cases are the same. Some of our consciousnesses are directly related to our physical abilities, for example a dog can hear some sounds and it can sense some smells that we cannot notice them, and since we cannot notice them then we do not response to them at all, as a result we are not even conscious or aware of their existence! Before Galileo’s telescope we were not aware of Jupiter’s moons, and for sure that discovery has had a huge impact on our fundamental questions about our existence and the nature of our consciousness.

Basically any of our conscious thoughts or our conscious acts boils down to our abilities of detecting some information and reacting to that information accordingly. Our thoughts about consciousness are based on our individual analyses of our experiences that we have had consciously and unconsciously; our sub-conscious mind plays a big role in our unconscious acts. In this regard we see that our awareness is very subjective, and it is so subject specific! There is no magical mystery in these processes. Assume we need a blood test to be done, there is no difference in the test result if that test is performed by a conscious human being or by a machine. No magical attributes are attached to our conscious acts! They are like any other actions that happen in the nature routinely, no distinction is realized in these actions. We realize that our conscious actions are not a new invention in the nature, they are the continuation of the web of sophistications that grows with the advances in the intelligence. The hunting coordination of a group of lionesses is an intelligent and conscious act; it is similar to any conscious intelligent acts that it is done by human beings! It seems in this amazing process Nature is keenly aware of its development! In other word Nature is actively and consciously is pursuing higher Intelligence!

To reiterate; we receive information and we response to it, it may happen consciously or unconsciously. There is no difference between the natures of our actions in these presumably two very different states. Also for any task there is no difference in the essence of the results, if the result is produced by conscious human beings or by some machines. For this very reason, the actions of machines and human beings are totally compatible, and there is no distinction between them. So, I can conclude that the action of a thermostat in a room is a conscious act.

I think some philosophers might be offended now that I called the action of an automatic switch as a conscious act! They argue that there is something very unique and very special about our conscious mind; it is very rich and very deep. I totally agree with this assessment! When we combine vast Human knowledge to Human powerful thinking brain, for sure that makes the quality of our thoughts much richer and much deeper than any other natural intelligence! This issue was explored adequately in 2001 space odyssey novel. The zest for survival has been ingrained into the living creatures, if we program such deep desire into our sophisticated robots, then we will see that HAL computer will act more consciously and more prudently than any human beings that have ever been existed!

Some philosophers boast human’s creativity of art and powerful imaginations as something very unique, very deep, and very magical. Again, I do agree with this assessment! These are the very elements that have enriched our thinking power, and they are at the root of our powerful brain. But not necessarily that these elements are essential for our penetrating probe deep into the essence of our existence! For sure our colorful imaginations and our artistic capabilities are helpful in devising new theories in our quest for understanding Nature. But I think this is the power of our acquired Knowledge that it is vastly enriching our Intelligence; far more than those benefits that we are getting from our playful imaginations or our artistic exercises! And the evidence for this claim lays solely by comparing a highly educated person with a lazy Bum who has neglected his/her education, or our human cousins in the bushes, or our app cousins in the jangle. This is the pure knowledge that vastly differentiates between these thinking creatures, and this is the knowledge that is vastly improving our conscious for the essence of our existence! Our knowledge about the history of the evolution of the Universe it has vastly enriched the essence of our conscious thoughts.

Let us examine the essence of some basic acts that I claim they are all conscious acts, of course each one of them has varying degree of capabilities. A law of physics says that two electrons in an orbit around the nucleus cannot have the same spin, if one is spin up, then the other must be spin down. This law clearly indicates that these electrons must be keenly conscious about each other’s spin! After all one of our definition regarding the consciousness is that we are fully aware of our surrounding, and in this regard electrons in the orbit of atoms are fully aware of their neighbors’ spin! From this outlook we see that core laws of physics are just the expressions that reveal the conscious behaviors of these elementary particles. Nobody can ever deny that our conscious mind is formed from these laws which are based on conscious behaviors of the elementary particles. These basic consciousnesses are woven within the structures of these elementary particles, and they form the fabric of Universe, and they are an intrinsic and an integral part of the Universe, and they cannot be separated from it. In our endless quests, we are trying to understand if there is a source that is the designer and the initiator of the consciousness that is saturated this Universe.

In this short article I intend to prove the existence of God based on scientific analyses.

I intend to prove the existence of an active force in the fabric of the Nature, who consciously and intentionally manages all events of this world at the level of each and every elementary particle with an absolute certainty, beyond the scope of the uncertainty limitation, and confinement of Time. I will provide couple vivid evidences to support this theory.

You can also view this article on my website at: www.TheTruthShall.com


Quantum Electrodynamics theory (QED theory) is the most fruitful and incoherent theory that has ever been devised by science. Even though nobody understand the underneath mechanic of the interaction between the elementary particles, but QED theory has managed to provide many practical ways to harness different aspect of these interactions and it has provided many fruitful breakthroughs, advancing our technologies to an unbelievable glory. Our amazing digital technologies are purely based on QED theory. QED’s achievements have exceeded far beyond of our wildest imaginations that has been demonstrated in our fairytales! This is so baffling with such incoherent understanding of the underneath processes still we could produce such fabulous fruitful results! Isn’t this strange that so many advances have been made on such an incoherent and foggy foundation!? Our flimsy understanding of the QED foundations could hardly be sufficient for those precise, fabulous, and magnificent results! In light of not having any in-depth comprehension of QED’s underneath mechanic it looks like that QED theory was well primed for our easy pickings! This looks like that a blind and mute person has discovered and collected all the riches of the earth all on his own handicap’s efforts! Claiming that our fruitful digital technologies are the clear evidence of our QED understanding, is like claiming that our beautiful babies with their enormous sophisticated brains are materialized just because of our in-depth knowledge in the art of love making!

Except for gravity QED theory tries to analyze all other phenomena of Nature at their microscopic levels.

Let us make an observation regarding the reflections of light. In a pitch dark theater a limelight shines on an object; something like a desk, or a hat, or an actor, or a singer, or . . . then that object can be seen by all the audiences in all part of the theater. QED theory explains this phenomenon this way that the electrons on the surface of the objects get energized by the incoming photons from the limelight and they go to a higher energy level, and then they released these acquired energy by going back to various lower energy levels. The results of these electron transitions from the higher energy levels to the lower energy levels produce the lights (photons) that the audiences can see and observe the object. The electrons emit these lights (photons) in all directions. This is why all people in all sections of the theater can see the object. This basic observation reveals how we observe any object in our daily life! In QED theory each electron emits its photon in random directions and with random emitting time based on a probabilistic model which is derived from the uncertainty principle. This is QED’s microscopic analysis for light reflection.

So far so good, and so simple!

Now let us make another observation; let us see what happens when lights hit on an object with smooth surface, something like a mirror, or the surface of water. In these cases also the elements of interactions are exactly the same; the electrons at the smooth surface absorb the incoming photons and then they emit the photons, but in this case the emissions of the photons are totally different! In this case the photons are not sent in all directions any more, the photons get reflected in a specific direction. Science has identified this phenomenon by the law of reflection (the angle of reflection is equal to the angle of incident). Mirror reflection is a totally different behavior for the emitting electrons, actually this is totally a different phenomenon! The mirror reflections do not follow QED’s probabilistic model anymore, mirror reflection is purely a classical phenomenon, with an absolute certainty of the reflection for each and every photon! Vow, what happens in the mirror reflections!? Why our beloved QED analysis does not apply for mirror reflections anymore? Are we not still dealing with the interactions between photons and the electrons? Are we not still in the domain of the QED uncertainty law!? For mirror reflection our QED analysis in the microscopic domain says the photons should get dispersed in all directions, but our macroscopic observation produces totally a very different result; this is a clash between QED probabilistic result and the actual result from the macroscopic observation that the photons get reflected with an absolute certainty! How does the smoothness of the mirror surface change the behavior of the emitting electrons to this extend!? This is very odd! For the mirror reflection our beloved QED fails to provide us with any plausible argument that could explain this drastic change in the behavior of the emitting electrons. (I will cover the flaws of “all paths argument” shortly.) As far as our science is concern each individual electron and each individual photon are totally mute and they are operating independently, then why the smoothness of the mirror surface do change the behavior of the electrons’ emissions, and causes the reflected photons to produce a very different phenomenon!? Of course in the double-slit experiment we see the strange effect that the two slits have on the paths of the passing of the photons or on the passing of the electrons; indeed those are bafflingphenomena that science is still wrestling with to comprehend them! But those baffling results fall very well within the scope of QED’s uncertainty analysis. But here the smoothness of the mirror surface gives us a classical result with an absolute certainty, defined by the law of mirror reflection, far different from the probabilistic domain of QED model.

To have some kind of answer for the mirror reflection mystery QED theory has devised the “all paths argument”. Here I try to show you there are multiple trivial flaws with QED’s “all paths argument”!

QED’s “all paths argument” CONVINIENTLY applies the summation of the amplitude vectors to the direction of the KNOWN path that it is already defined by optic law of reflection, and QED concludes that the probability for this known path is maximum. For the reflected photon from the mirror surface, without the direction that our known optic law provides, QED’s “All paths argument” cannot identify any specific direction that the reflected photon should take! To show you this very point more clearly and expose the flaw of “all paths argument” I place couple more photo multipliers on the vicinity of the first photo multiplier. I emit a SINGLE photon from the source. Now, by using the “all paths argument” I can drive the reflected photon toward any of these photo multipliers, and sum up the associated amplitude vectors for each of these paths that leads to each one of these photo multipliers. For sure the summations of the associated amplitude vectors will be maximum for each one of these photo multipliers, and we do know that the point of reflection on the mirror for each one of these calculations would be slightly different, but that does not negate the validity of the summation of the amplitude vectors for each one of these photo multipliers. Now, I can claim that QED’s “all paths argument” has produced three photons for each SINGLE photon that the source has emitted! And of course we can increase the number of the receiving photo multipliers to the infinity, and the summation of the amplitude vectors could be done for every one of these photo-multipliers, without violating any analysis of the “all path argument”.

Furthermore, to debunk the phony nature of “all path argument” I preformed the following experiment. I used a laser pointer beam, a 5” X 6” regular mirror, and a 1” X 1” diffraction grating mirror. I placed the regular mirror on the floor, and I pointed the laser beam to the center of the regular mirror, with an incident angle of about 30º. I observed the reflected beam on the wall. Then, I placed my diffraction grating mirror on the surface of the regular mirror, away from its center, where the incoming laser beam did not hit its surface. No new reflection from the diffraction grating mirror could be observed in any direction! This observation debunked the idea that light gets reflected from all part of the mirror! So, when Prof. Richard Feynman in his lectures at Auckland University claimed the reflection from the diffraction grating mirror was an evidence for the validity of “all paths argument”, I should say that was very deceptive evidence!! This is not scientific trying to fudge our argument to fit to the KNOWN result of the established experiment! There isn’t any merit to the phony paths that it is discussed in “all paths arguments”; these paths fail to produce any reflection from the surface of the diffraction grating mirror. The diffraction grating mirror only reflects the real photons that are actually hitting its surface, and of course it reflects them in different patterns, something similar to the double-slits experiment.

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Unes said:

The “Theory of Evolution of Species” is a SCIENTIFIC theory that shows how Man has evolved from earlier life forms in the Tree of Life. This fact proves beyond any doubt the falsehood of the Creation of Man which is expressed in the Abrahamic Holy Books. So the following verses are simply false.

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Unes... I'd propose you request this thread be moved to a debate area of the forum as you have such strong feelings about "Abrahamic Holy Books".

You can find the approp. section here I believe:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forums/evolution-vs-creationism.65/

My own Faith is considered "Abrahamic" here and we basically acknowledge that evolution has a place in our thought...at the same time we acknowledge God as creator...

A "Creator" in our view can also allow for evolution as a process in the "creation"...

May God bless us all....!

I like to revise couple points that previously I have expressed in this thread. I wrote that God created this world and this world is a separate entity from God. I reached to that conclusion because this Universe is changing, and Change cannot be part of God who is perfect and complete, and change conflicts with that. This is the view of monotheist. Now, I found out there is a problem with this view. If this Universe is not part of God, then that creates a boundary or a limit for God’s domain, and this contradicts with the idea that God has no limitation. Now, I end up with the position that I cannot accept either case.

In one of my posts I explored the idea that the speed of light limitation does not apply to God, and I reached to that conclusion by exploring a scenario if some astronauts on the surface of Mars have a life threatening accident and their survival is at risk, and because the distance they cannot get an immediate instruction from the mission control on surface of earth, so their prays have to be answered immediately. Of course in this scenario I have assumed that there is a God who is everywhere, and he can respond to our pray right away.

Anyway, this was a hypothetical scenario that I concluded if there was a God then the limitation of speed of light or any limitation that we have in this Universe does not apply to him. This idea that God is with us all the time, that means God is also present with the astronauts at the surface of Mars, and at the same exact time with the people on earth, so, for God this scenario eliminates the element of Time, that means Time does affect God at all. God sees past, present, and the future at the same time. So, God has the knowledge of this Universe as a four-dimensional block in its entirety. So, for God this four-dimensional block is present without the element of change. Now, I can conclude that this four-dimensional block is within God and there is no separation between God and this Universe. This view confirms the fatalistic view that many scholars have alluded to it. Also, this fatalistic view is pointed out in many verses of Quran and Bible. The passage in Joseph story when Joseph is telling to his brothers that his story that he end up in Egypt was not because his brothers threw him in well, but by plan of God.

Genesis 45:8 So now, it is not you who sent me here, but God. He has made me an adviser to Pharaoh, lord over all his household, and ruler over all the land of Egypt.

In this view God is within us and within everything that we experience. The skeptics would argue if that is the case then why we do not experience that control and instead we experience free will, to that I would say, we do not experience the violent motions that we move through the space neither. Both cases are so natural to us that we can deny their existence altogether, but in the case of our motions in the space we have got our scientific evidences, but in case of God so far we only have our own personal spiritual feelings to relay on.

Regarding the scientific evidence to support the existence of God, I did offer an argument that the development of snowflakes’ symmetrical design requires a conscious being to influence the random and chaotic behavior of vapor water molecules. This conscious force acts intelligently and intentionally. Scientists do not like to entertain this kind of force at all, science is vehemently opposes any notion of this nature.

Let me tell you something about scientific community’s hubris behavior, that how hypocrite they might be! For reflection of light from a mirror there is two theories, one is the old optic law that it says the angle of reflection is equal to the angle of incident. This optic law does not explain the mechanic of the reflection. This optic law was realized through numerous experiments. At modern time we have Quantum Electrodynamic Theory (QED) this theory explains when a photon hits the surface of a mirror it gets absorbed by an electron and then this energized electron moves to higher energy level, and then this energized electron moves back to its previous energy level and it emits a photon. But the direction of the emitted photon is defined only by a statistical model, no specific direction can be identified. And this unidentified direction is in contrast with the result from the optic law. QED fails to reconcile with the optic law. Probably to cover this problem QED produced the “all path argument”, and I exposed the flaw within the “all path argument”. This is a serious problem, if each photon in incoming image after hitting the surface of a mirror faces this kind of uncertainty for its direction in the reflection, then the reflected image cannot possibly be similar to the incoming image.

I wrote an article pointing to this flaw within QED theory “all path argument” from the surface of a mirror. My article entitled: “Does Quantum Electrodynamics theory provide an answer for optic law of reflection? NO, it does NOT!” I posted my article in the following physics forum www.Physicsforums.com. After few exchanges with couple members I was banned from the site! That was a rash move, I did not disrespect anybody, I politely was explaining my point, if my analysis was too primitive for their tastes, then they could have ignored me totally, I could not demand that they had to respond to my post. Actually one member acknowledged that he/she did not have an answer for my argument. I think this Physics community got embarrassed that they could not dismiss my article logically. So, they did not want to admit their failure. QED theory is the most productive theory that science has ever achieved so far, and here I was asking very politely to hear their explanation regarding the “all path argument” for the reflection of light from the surface of a mirror, which it seemed too trivial for their taste.

Anyway, the reason that I am bothering you with this scientific problem, is to point out the possibility of the existence of a conductor for the reflected photons. Science does not like to deal with the notion of a conductor whose action is conscious, intelligent, and intentional. Science vehemently opposes such notion in the natural world. Of course in my posts in that Physics Forum I did not mention anything about the conductor, I strictly focused to the flaw of “all path argument”. You can view all my exchanges in that Forum at my website and Judge it for yourself.
http://thetruthshall.com/QED_Flaw.html

May God Bless Us All,
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Consciousness is an elusive phenomenon. There are much debates and discussions about the nature of our Consciousness. In a nutshell our Consciousness is our awareness about our existence and about our activities. Our awareness presumably emerges from the activities of the components of our brain. But, our glorious science yet to be able to recognize the existence of this emerging awareness! Science has interjected that our Consciousness might be an illusion. Perhaps science is right, the examined activities of our brain do not produce our Consciousness. Maybe the source of our Consciousness has not been identified correctly. I think I have found the Source, and here I am going to prove its existence, and its activities. I will show after all God is not just a silent by stander, God is the Active Conductor of the events of this Universe in extremely minute details.

In order to establish validity of a claim we need to move the argument from the realm of the philosophical discussions into the domain of testable scientific analysis. On PBS brain series program with Dr. David Eagleman, he talked about "Iowa Gambling Task experiment". By this experiment and other experiments scientists have proved when the activities of our sub-conscious mind are realized by our Conscious mind, those information are already old news. This means there is a time delay between the comprehension within our sub-conscious mind and the comprehension in our Conscious mind. This discovery is very important, but I do think that "Iowa Gambling Task experiment" reveals something much more fundamental, it reveals the Source of our awareness. Let us review this experiment more closely, then I will explain my reason for the ramifications of this revealing discovery.


Task structure
Participants are presented with 4 virtual decks of cards on a computer screen. They are told that each time they choose a card they will win some game money. Every so often, however, choosing a card causes them to lose some money. The goal of the game is to win as much money as possible. The decks differ from each other in the number of trials over which the losses are distributed. Thus, some decks are "bad decks", and other decks are "good decks", because some will lead to losses over the long run, and others will lead to gains.

Common finding
Most healthy participants sample cards from each deck, and after about 40 or 50 selections are fairly good at sticking to the good decks. Concurrent measurement of galvanic skin response shows that healthy participants show a "stress" reaction to hovering over the bad decks after only 10 trials, long before conscious sensation that the decks are bad.

The winning incentive in "Iowa Gambling Task experiment" is an abstract incentive. As far as we know only human conscious mind has the capability to comprehend the meaning of an abstract incentive, no other living creatures is capable comprehending of such abstract incentive. And now we have discovered that our sub-conscious mind possesses the intelligence to recognize such abstract incentive much faster than our Conscious mind. The result of this experiment suggests that this is our sub-conscious mind which evaluates the winning deck of cards and feeds its finding into our Conscious mind. I made this conclusion based on the following reasons, this would be highly unlikely and very unrealistic to think that our sub-conscious mind figures out the winning deck of cards, and it does not use this valuable information for the task on hand, and instead it waits for our Conscious mind to figure out the winning deck of cards on its own slower processes. Here we are talking of the system of our body as an enterprise, who is putting its best effort trying to win a competition for wining. There is no reason for our sub-conscious mind not to broadcast its sharp finding to benefit the enterprise of our system.

It would have been interesting if the Gambling Task was stopped after the 20th selection. Then we needed to examine the state of our sub-conscious mind and the state of our Conscious mind after 24 hours.

We have known that our Conscious mind has the best thinking power, and it is supreme. And our sub-conscious mind barely possesses such thinking capability. In "Iowa Gambling Task experiment" by some unknown means the speed of this capability has been reversed. Now the question arises how did our sub-conscious mind acquire this capability that it became far superior than our Conscious mind? This is possible only if our sub-conscious mind was assisted by another Intelligent Agent in this process. And perhaps this is the generosity of this Intelligent Agent who is constantly feeding our sub-conscious and our Conscious mind by very measured circumstances.

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“Iowa Gambling Task experiment” is not the only experiment that shows us scientifically the active influence of this Intelligent Agent in processes of this world. I found two other very common phenomena which prove similar conclusions. They are “Paradox of the reflected images from mirrors” and “Formation of Multiple Symmetries in Snowflake’s Designs”.




First let us examine “Paradox of the reflected images from mirrors”. We all have seen the reflection of images from the surfaces of calm water, or from a window, or from a mirror. The reflected images from these smooth and flat surfaces are flipped images of the incoming images that are hitting these surfaces. The optic law of reflection states that “the incident ray, the reflected ray, and the normal to the surface of the mirror all lie in the same plane. Furthermore, the angle of reflection is equal to the angle of incidence”. (This optic law was quoted from Wikipedia.) This optic law is correct for each and every one of the photons in the incoming and the reflected images. The consistency of these reflections causes the reflected image to look exactly like the flipped image of the incoming image.

Quantum Electrodynamic theory (QED) tries to answer the mechanics of the mirror reflection at the atomic level. When a single photon hits to the surface of a mirror or to the surface of calm water QED theory says it most likely the photon gets absorbed by an electron, and this energized electron moves to a shell of higher energy, and when this energized electron emits a photon, it moves back to its equilibrium shell. In fact the emitted photon is not the same photon that hit the surface of the mirror. The process of the electron emitting a photon is covered by the uncertainty rule. QED gives a statistical model for this emission. In this statistical model no specific direction is identified, but it defines the statistical pattern which the new photon gets emitted in many possible directions. In this process the time of emission is also governed by a statistical model. The emission of photon by an electron with these statistical models has been verified in laboratory numerous times, and this is a fact in QED theory.

As you see in this explanation for the mechanic of the image reflection, since the directions of the reflected photons are based on statistical model they hardly could comply with the optic law of reflection. As a result the reflected image could hardly resemble the flipped image of the incoming image. In fact in this QED’s explanation the reflected photons are dispersed in random directions that they could hardly produce any recognizable image in any direction.

In order to reconcile QED’s statistical reflection model with the optic law of reflection, QED has devised “all path argument”. I detected a major flaw within “all path argument”, and I posted my argument in the following physics forum: Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

I was very respectful in all my exchanges with the members who responded to my post. The members of the forum failed to defend QED’s “all path argument”, and instead they began to realize the validity of my argument. At this point all of a sudden I was banned from the forum! There was no call for such rash action. And for sure that was not the way that science solves puzzles! The forum could have ignored my post. Surely I could not demand a respond for my post. I think they were too embarrassed to admit the existence of such an obvious flaw within our beloved QED theory. QED theory is the foundation of all our amazing new electronic technologies.

You can view “all paths argument” by Prof. Richard Feynman in his lecture (# 2 of 4) at Auckland University in New Zealand. (This argument is at about 28:00 minutes of the video in lecture #2.)

Let me explain the flaw of QED’s “all path argument”. QED’s “all path argument” conveniently chooses the reflection direction that it is provided by the optic law of reflection, and then it claims that the summation of the amplitude vectors for this selected path is maximum, and then QED concludes that is how a photon finds its direction naturally by examining all paths and chooses the path that the summation of its amplitude vectors is maximum. To expose the flaw within "all path argument", I suggest that we move the photo-multiplier few inches from its current position, and then redo the all path summation of the amplitude vectors for this new location. According to “all path argument” the summation of the amplitude vectors for this new location is still maximum, and according to QED this photo-multiplier at this new location should also receive the reflected photon! But since the photo-multiplier at this new location does not comply with the optic law of reflection, then it will not receive the reflected photon, and QED’s “all path argument” has a wrong result. In fact if we add few more photo-multipliers in the vicinity of the first photo-multiplier, according to QED’s “all paths argument” the summation of the amplitude vectors for each one of these photo-multipliers are also maximum, and each of these photo-multipliers should also receive that single photon, which we do know that is a wrong conclusion. So, QED’s “all path argument” is just a phony and bogus argument.

As you see regarding to the reflected image from a mirror QED theory has been totally baffled and it cannot figure out how the emission of a photon from the surface of a mirror or water, is directed in a specific direction that they are in compliance with the optic law of reflection. In mirror reflection how does the emitting electron know that it belongs to a smooth surface of a mirror and it should NOT emit its photon in the direction that is defined by the statistical model, and instead it should emit its photon in the direction that complies with the optic law of reflection? I do NOT think that the emitting electron possesses the cognition to recognize the differences between these two situations. In fact the optic law of mirror reflection that forces the emitting electron to emit its photon in a specific direction, that violates or eliminates the uncertainty rule.

For sure the reflected images from mirror requires the influence of an Intelligent Agent who produces this deliberate result. Without the influence of this Intelligent Agent the reflected image from a mirror would have been a mixed up lights in all directions and without any observable image. As you see the mirror reflection phenomenon which looks so simple and presumably un-important, and if it did not exist probably it would have not made any difference in the processes of nature, except that it would have hindered the growth and the development of our intelligence a great deal. The effect of the reflected images in development of our intelligence has been immense and maybe it has been essential. Similar to our Consciousness the reflected images that manifest their existence in conflict with the detailed scientific findings, they both point to the existence of an Intelligent Agent in these phenomena. It seems that these rich stimulating phenomena have been intelligently and intentionally designed to nurture the development of our inquisitive minds.


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This is the third phenomenon which I found out that it requires the influence of an Intelligent Agent for its manifestation.

I got the following passage on snowflake's formation from Wikipedia. "The exact details of the sticking mechanism remain controversial. Possibilities include mechanical interlocking, sintering, electrostatic attraction as well as the existence of a "sticky" liquid-like layer on the crystal surface. The individual ice crystals often have hexagonal symmetry."

"Most snowflakes are not completely symmetric." "Empirical studies suggest less than 0.1% of snowflakes exhibit the ideal six-fold symmetric shape." "The most common snow particles are visibly irregular, although near-perfect snowflakes may be more common in pictures because they are more visually appealing." "A non-aggregated snowflake often exhibits six-fold radial symmetry. The initial symmetry can occur because the crystalline structure of ice is six-fold. The six "arms" of the snowflake, or dendrites, then grow independently, and each side of each arm grows independently." "Since the micro-environment (and its changes) are very nearly identical around the snowflake, each arm can grow in nearly the same way."

Snowflakes formation is a case of a well-known phenomenon that science has failed to come up with a plausible answer to explain it, and instead it has resorted to few phony and incoherent arguments to FIT the KNOWN fact! Science has attributed snowflakes' artistic symmetries to the structure of water molecules. To prove the falsehood this argument, let us briefly examine the ramification of this argument. According to this explanation the structure of the water molecules causes the frozen water molecules to form a hexagon shape foundation (diamond dust). And they claim when the new water molecules get attached to this hexagon shape foundation, they get attached to its six corners, as a result the snowflakes develop six symmetrical arms, which they grow fairly in similar shape, because the micro-atmospheric environment is very similar for all these six growing arms while they are forming.

There are many flaws in this explanation, and each one of these flaws is sufficient to discredit this explanation to its core, and I will try to explore few.

The snowflakes' shapes are NOT the MAGNIFICATION of the hexagon shape that water molecules bonding produces at their foundation! This is so absurd to claim the structure of a molecule to influence the shape of the structures at the visible level. The microscopic hexagon shape at the foundation is too tiny that they could influence the shape at the macroscopic level. These two levels are governed totally by different rules.

To show you the validity of these statements, first I look at that hexagon shape at the foundation of a snowflake when one billion water molecules are attached to each of its arms. Then, let us look at a tiny piece of snow at the center of any snowflake, this observable tiny speck of snow, which it does not show any symmetry, within it contains many billion times of that "six billion molecules hexagon shape structure", and all those "six billion molecules hexagon shape structures" are buried within this tiny speck of snow at the center of the snowflake, without showing any trace of any hexagon shape symmetries whatsoever! As you see science has offered us a bogus argument, that it does not make any sense!

Let us focus on a small section of a snowflake's arm, let's assume the thickness of this arm is around .5 mm, and this section of arm is around 1 mm wide, and only 2 mm in length. In this little candy bar shape of the snowflake's arm there are more than 10 to the power 17 (10^17) water molecules. These water molecules have been attached to each other in various directions that they are measurable in all three axes. Just in this little candy bar shape of the snowflake's arm there might be billions and billions of hexagon shapes water molecules structures (diamond dust). As you see the hexagon shapes bonding at the foundation has not affected the shape of this candy bar shape at all. The hexagon shape of water molecules bonding at atomic level is too insignificant that they could influence the developing shape of the snowflake at our visible level.

Claiming that the hexagon shape of water molecules bonding at the snowflake’s foundation is the cause of various symmetries in the snowflakes' designs, is similar that we claim that the structure of the paint molecules produced Mona Lisa! I doubt it that anybody would even consider such possibility.

Science has failed to come up with any plausible argument for the multiple symmetrical designs of the snowflakes, so it has resorted to the bogus argument that the structure of the water molecules must have had something to do with it! Since in the development of the snowflakes the "randomness" is name of the game, and water molecules are too small to influence the shape of the developing snowflake, then the emergence of any SYMMETRICAL pattern should be totally an unexpected outcome!

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Let us still explore snowflakes' symmetrical designs from another angel. Let us safely assume there are 10,000 different shapes of snowflakes' arms. Since a non-aggregate snowflake exhibits six arms, and each arm is developing independently, then for the snowflakes' shape we could end up with the possibility of 10,000 to the power six snowflake shapes (10,000^6), or 10 to the power of 24 (10^24) shapes. This is one snowflake in every 10^24 snowflakes would have the ideal six-fold symmetrical shape. But rough empirical counting indicates that one in every 1000 snowflakes has the ideal six-fold symmetrical shape, then there has to be a force that it is influencing the development of the snowflake's shapes, favoring the development of the ideal six-fold symmetrical shapes. This increases the probability of forming the ideal six-fold from one in every 10^24, to one in every 1000; this increases the possibility of forming the ideal six-fold shape by a factor of 10^21. And this is a huge dominating factor that we cannot ignore it! The evidence of the existence of this force who is favoring the development of the ideal six-fold snowflakes is overwhelmingly clear.

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Let us still examine snowflakes' symmetrical designs from another perspective. Time lapse development of the snowflakes shows some part of snowflakes develop first and the rest of the snowflake develops gradually later, and somehow the rest of the snowflake mysteriously continue to follow the pattern of the grown arm! We expect that micro-atmospheric condition should be changing in the interval. Then absolutely there is no justification that a developing arm to follow the design of any other arm in its development. Actually the numerous possibilities in the designs should make any similarity of the arms a very rare occasion, and certainly not the norm!

In the development of the identical twins babies, their identical genes causes their identical shapes, but in snowflake developments there is no gene to force the developing arm to acquire the same shape. This strange phenomenon forces us to recognize the existence a force in the fabric of the nature, who deliberately and intelligently, introduces multiple symmetries in various parts of each snowflake structure.

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The thickness of the snowflake structures shows that vapor water molecules get bonded to the snowflakes' core structure in all three directions of x, y and z axes. This shows that multiple billions of water molecules are piled up on top of each other in order to produce the snowflake thickness. As far as human’s perception is concerned snowflakes’ surfaces are flat. I do not know the mechanism that makes the snowflakes to develop the flat surfaces. Vaper water molecules do not possess the cognition to sense where the molecule bonding forces get them attached to the moving snowflake structure. And we have hails which are not flat. So, what causes the flatness of the snowflakes’ surfaces is another indication of the influence of the Intelligent Agent at work in this process.


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