who are they?

Mindonfire · May 31, 2006

ticandy said:
All of those scriptures deal with ways of doing things. Like chopping a tree or being dismayed by the stars. What has that to do with Belief? And who are you or I to say they are the heathen and we are not. We're not part of some fancy club that has monopoly on spiritual truthes. Maybe the JW's have a reavelation truth in some areas of living like Jesus did.

Good Day
Whether we realise it or not Belief guides in everything. You do because of Belief. The way that you do things generally stems from what you have come to Believe. That is what customs and traditions are. If you really Believe that something is wrong it will guide you not to do that thing. If you Believe that it is right, it will guide you to do or accept that thing

Now the Bible says what is heathen and what is not heathen. We may not like it but it gives guidelines to the way that God's people should behave, and the way that they should not behave.

Tradition: (n) 1 a : an inherited, established, or customary pattern of thought, action, or behavior (as a religious practice or a social custom) b : a belief or story or a body of beliefs or stories relating to the past that are commonly accepted as historical though not verifiable *the bulk of traditions attributed to the Prophet J. L. Esposito*
2 : the handing down of information, beliefs, and customs by word of mouth or by example from one generation to another without written instruction
3 : cultural continuity in social attitudes, customs, and institutions
4 : characteristic manner, method, or style *in the best liberal tradition*

may · Jun 1, 2006

ticandy said:
That is so christian like. When you ask a christian where Jesus lives. The majority say "In my heart" When you ask them where their beliefs are. they say "In my heart" The bible says "As a man thinks in his heart so is he"
We talk about compromise. Don't compromise our christianity. Please man. You are either a christian or not. There is no in between. So therefore no compromise. The bible talks about being luke warm and that God will spit you out.

But as you say. "The Heart Can Be "Treacherous." So lets just forget about that.

Remeber how Abraham tried to help God by thinking for God. When he screwed his wifes maid. Look what happened from useing your common sense or knowledge.
So then the mind can be treacherous also.
So lets just throw away the mind and the heart. Because they're both rubbish.

It can be argued any way aound. And useing the bible and saying that it the "inspired Word of God" is missleading. Because then God cannot speak to us any other way. Or am I wrong? It's this kind of thinking that has led the church to the place it is today. And honestly it isn't a good place. We are insignificant and impotent when it comes to affecting humanity. Look around you. Tell me I'm wrong.

i like this verse in proverbs 3;5-6
Trust in Jehovah with all your heart and do not lean upon your own understanding. In all your ways take notice of him, and he himself will make your paths straight.......... it is only when religious leaders of the church go away from Gods thoughts in the bible that the trouble starts, and as you say it is not a good place to be. that is why JW stick to the bible then we cant go wrong.

fromthe heart · Jun 1, 2006

may said:
[FONT=ms sans serif, geneva, arial, helvetica, sans serif]What Do They Believe? as this link explains all of JW teachings are bible based, the bible is the aurthority[/FONT]

First I asked what YOU believed (or didn't) and not just JW teachings...I will respond to each of the JW's Beliefs you have listed in the link in my next post and give you OUR churches beliefs as well based on the scriptures you listed...I,too, attend a true Bible believing church and will give you the differences as soon as I can put them all together for you so perhaps we can see where our differing points are as well as our likenesses as Christian sect churches. Then it will be made clear the differing points...I assume that will be ok with you?

may · Jun 3, 2006

fromthe heart said:
First I asked what YOU believed (or didn't) and not just JW teachings...I will respond to each of the JW's Beliefs you have listed in the link in my next post and give you OUR churches beliefs as well based on the scriptures you listed...I,too, attend a true Bible believing church and will give you the differences as soon as I can put them all together for you so perhaps we can see where our differing points are as well as our likenesses as Christian sect churches. Then it will be made clear the differing points...I assume that will be ok with you?

i believe the teachings of JW , that is why i am one of JW

joeboonda · Jun 3, 2006

Well, I believe the Bible is the inspired, infallible, inerrant, Word of God, and true in every detail, and I accept all of it, yet I am not a JW. I also am very thorough and careful in following the correct rules of interpretation, and am very diligent in my studies, yet I am not a JW. I love JW's but am in disagreement with them on some things, which I feel are important doctrines. If you wonder about these differences, look at sites which explore them, not just from a JW view, but from a 'mainstream' Christian view, like from fundamental, Bible-believing, moral folks, and see why they disagree, its not just because they are worldly, or 'gloss over' verses, etc. Not at all. There are very good theological, Biblically based reasons why people reject the JW teachings.

fromthe heart · Jun 3, 2006

may said:
i believe the teachings of JW , that is why i am one of JW

I'm glad you are happy with these teachings.

I said I would get back to you with our differences and likenesses but I'm withdrawling from that statement because to do so would be saying things to you that is totally against your religious beliefs and I have no wish to cause you pain but I now better understand the why's our churches have said to avoid even discussions with JW'S. I looked up ALL your beliefs and based on scripture I've learned some very important things...I just will pray for your understanding as to my not continuing this discussion further

I just had NO IDEA:faint: .

Mindonfire · Jun 3, 2006

joeboonda said:
Well, I believe the Bible is the inspired, infallible, inerrant, Word of God, and true in every detail, and I accept all of it, yet I am not a JW. I also am very thorough and careful in following the correct rules of interpretation, and am very diligent in my studies, yet I am not a JW. I love JW's but am in disagreement with them on some things, which I feel are important doctrines. If you wonder about these differences, look at sites which explore them, not just from a JW view, but from a 'mainstream' Christian view, like from fundamental, Bible-believing, moral folks, and see why they disagree, its not just because they are worldly, or 'gloss over' verses, etc. Not at all. There are very good theological, Biblically based reasons why people reject the JW teachings.

Good Day

Why don't you bring some of those doctrines which you are in disagreement with and discuss them. Is that not what a forum is for. There are all adults on these forums.

Peace

joeboonda · Jun 3, 2006

Hi,
Well, I guess we could do that sometime, we both believe in God and all, so perhaps we could have an amicable discussion, I have talked with people of other religions that are similiar to mine, yet different, and been called anti-_________. (fill in the blank of religion). But, maybe we can sometime, I dunno, I am fairly sure none of us would change our views, probably just defend them, er, religiously. But, I will think about it.

Katzpur · Jun 3, 2006

may said:
maybe its because we realize that the trinity teaching is not inline with bible teaching ,correct me if i am wrong about that , LDS do not believe in the trinity doctrine?

That's correct. (Sorry, I didn't notice your question before now.)

joeboonda · Jun 4, 2006

http://www.carm.org/witnesses.htm Here is a link that talks about some of the differences between JW's and 'mainstream' Christianity. You will probably call it an 'anti-JW' site, but its just a site that shows the differences in what I believe and what you believe if you are interested in seeing why we believe differently. If it is offensive in some way, heck, don't go back, and apologies before-hand if it is, that is not my intent, my intent is to simply shed light on our differences, and why we believe what we believe. Thanks.

Bishka · Jun 4, 2006

Joe, I don't think you've learned, CARM isn't a very good place to get actual correct infromation on religious groups. They are very biased.

joeboonda · Jun 4, 2006

Hi, Becky, well, they represent exactly what I believe, that is why I use them. They believe how I believe, I can't help that, so folks, just don't go there if you don't like the site. If I had a Satanist site that had an opinion about other religions, and you're not a Satanist, then just don't go there. (I am not a Satanist, by the way)

Ody · Jun 4, 2006

joeboonda said:
Hi, Becky, well, they represent exactly what I believe, that is why I use them. They believe how I believe, I can't help that, so folks, just don't go there if you don't like the site. If I had a Satanist site that had an opinion about other religions, and you're not a Satanist, then just don't go there. (I am not a Satanist, by the way)

They teach lies about Kabbalah...

joeboonda · Jun 4, 2006

Hey, its defend your website day, today, lol. But not for me, I believe them, I am sure many don't, its a matter of individual choice, and to each his/her own, Peace!

Ody · Jun 4, 2006

For example in Kabbalah reincarnation isn't definitve... thier is actually quite a debate on that..

Mystic-als · Jun 5, 2006

Joeboonda - That is extremely sad for you and your beliefs. You are willing to believe half truths (lies) about things you have no clue about anyway. Ignorance is bliss. Your bible says "my people perish for a lack of knowledge". Its sad when people claim to follow a belief system that promotes truth and they themselves aren't willing to find out the truth.

may · Jun 5, 2006

joeboonda said:
Well, I believe the Bible is the inspired, infallible, inerrant, Word of God, and true in every detail, and I accept all of it, yet I am not a JW. I also am very thorough and careful in following the correct rules of interpretation, and am very diligent in my studies, yet I am not a JW. I love JW's but am in disagreement with them on some things, which I feel are important doctrines. If you wonder about these differences, look at sites which explore them, not just from a JW view, but from a 'mainstream' Christian view, like from fundamental, Bible-believing, moral folks, and see why they disagree, its not just because they are worldly, or 'gloss over' verses, etc. Not at all. There are very good theological, Biblically based reasons why people reject the JW teachings.

and there are some like me , who dont reject JW teachings , because i can see that they teach the truth from the bible, but every one to their own , its the best thing i ever did , i think its great .

and no i dont wonder about differences,
i know the reasons why there are differences . i used to be a part of mainstream ,but i have got out of there, and i feel i am in a better place of concealment now.
(Isaiah 55:6) Search for Jehovah, YOU people, while he may be found. Call to him while he proves to be near. ............ yes i have done a lot of searching over the years , and i have read many negative thoughts about JW in books and websites, but the truth is very very clear to me , and the truth is JW are Gods channel to get lots of spiritual food in abundance , matthew 24;45-47 i am that well feed i am brimming over, yes i am in a spiritual paradise now ,
The longer a person associates with Jehovahs Witnesses, the more he learns about God and His will as revealed in the Bible.

And so Jesus went on to say to the Jews that had believed him: "If YOU remain in my word, YOU are really my disciples, 32 and YOU will know the truth, and the truth will set YOU free
John 8;32

may · Jun 5, 2006

sorry i posted twice , i have deleted the second one :sorry1:

joeboonda · Jun 5, 2006

ticandy said:
Joeboonda - That is extremely sad for you and your beliefs. You are willing to believe half truths (lies) about things you have no clue about anyway. Ignorance is bliss. Your bible says "my people perish for a lack of knowledge". Its sad when people claim to follow a belief system that promotes truth and they themselves aren't willing to find out the truth.

Dont be sad for me or my beliefs, I believe in the BIble, as do many other born-again Christians. I believe in THE truth, JESUS CHRIST, and I how dare you say I have no clue, it is you my friend who is lacking if you must resort to such talk. Jesus Christ is the TRUTH, believe it or not.

fromthe heart · Jun 5, 2006

joeboonda said:
Hey, its defend your website day, today, lol. But not for me, I believe them, I am sure many don't, its a matter of individual choice, and to each his/her own, Peace!

I took a look at the site and for most parts on Christianity it's right on...I didn't however read ALL of the references on there. I found the best way to determine what is correct and what is not is to read just the scriptures used by another religion to see just where all teh mistaken ideas come in to being.....Many are deceived by their religious teachings so all ideas should be proved by scripture alone. There is also the fact that many religious sects have redone the Bible to meet their personal views and end up taking a very straight forward Bible and make it a work of fiction to fit their beliefs.

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