esmith
Veteran Member
didn't work in WWII, still had to have a draft.
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Bill Passed In The Senate Requiring Women To Register For The Draft
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Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
Not at all. I do not believe my life is worth whatever cause the government/military thinks it is. If others do, that's on them. There are plenty of groups of vets (mostly dead by now), that I respect. But today's culture and attitudes surrounding war are not something I can respect or stand behind.You just slapped every Vet (living or dead) in the face.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
In some cases, such as for small countries, I can see the need to at least train people to fight in case of something like an invasion. But here in America we are a large country and have a large enough military that volunteers for it that there is no justification for forcing people who don't sign up for it to have to register for the draft. We also seem to not realize that people don't have to fight in a war to serve the country.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Not really. What slaps the vets in the face is when we insist the troops are fighting and dying for our freedoms, even though in reality they aren't fighting for our freedoms and we are gradually loosing more and more of them at the hands of politicians who are sending to troops to fight and die.You just slapped every Vet (living or dead) in the face.
You just slapped every Vet (living or dead) in the face.
I disagree. Husband is a combat vet from Iraq (2003-2005), oldest son served two tours in Afghanistan in combat, and second oldest son just received his first orders in the USAF.
Every time my boys were to register for selective service it ripped me apart wondering why my sons lives were considered more disposable than my daughters.
Now that the country thinks my daughters life is just as disposable, I want to confront the attitude of drafting my family for a bloated military that is already too large as a volunteer service, and chews and spits out its vets to be forgotten when they're done.
Oh, and I served as President and Treasurer for the Family Readiness Group at the base my husband reported to.
The slap in the face isn't from the draft dodger, it's the lip service of politicians and citizens that thank veterans for their service while severely handicapping enlisted and veterans to the point of homelessness, substance abuse, untreated PTSD, and suicide.
esmith
Veteran Member
So, you wouldn't have joined the military after Pearl Harbor or respected or stood behind those that did?
A major argument I've heard against it is that it's very expensive to pay people to volunteer to wage war.
Those of us who don't want to sign up ought to be happy to pay others to do it.
I know, I know.....it sounds so odd for a fire breathing Libertarian to talk glowingly about paying taxes.
Well, there are things worth funding, eg, defending the country from a foreign invader.
Paying taxes for a volunteer military is more libertarian than being conquered by an oppressor.
Tis the lesser of all evils.
As a former would be draft dodger, I saw my position as principled.
I wasn't opposed to all war....just wasteful foreign adventurism.
And I don't allow government the power to make that choice for me.
Still, I went off & designed weapons because I found that a principled choice too.
They're not always used ethically, but we need'm nonetheless.
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
11 Bravo myself (army infantry) and I can't stand draft dodging cowards. Flame away, it matters not to me. I too, have an opinion.
Same hold true for conscientious objectors?
Joined? Never. Respected those who volunteered to defend against the attacks? Yes.
Wasn't tried in WWII.
I have plenty of friends in the military. I respect their service to their country far too much to demean it with a draft.
And my position isn't about "draft dodging" for me. As an asthmatic pushing 40 in a country with no wars on the horizon, I'd probably be exempt from any future draft anyway.
Yes, I would refuse to be enslaved myself if it were to happen, but as a citizen, I also object to my government enslaving others on my behalf.
If your going to be technical about it, it was 3 days, 12 hours and 13 minutes before the big bang.
A draft would be pretty well useless for defending the country from a clear and present threat. Training new conscripts takes time, so drafting soldiers to stop an invasion would mean drafting them when the invasion is far enough in the future that it couldn't be relied on to happen.
As far as libertarianism goes, I'd say the most libertarian approach would be to ban the draft, and recruit whatever volunteers the people see fit to pay for. If they're told the fighting strength needed to stop the attacker but collectively decide to fund only some lower strength, they made their choice.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Again, unless there were a lot of people who did want women to be allowed in combat roles yet did not want them subjected to the draft, then what's your point?
Agree.
Tis better to be a live coward than to be a slave someone is shooting at.
There...consider yourself flamed.