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Should Gays Forgive Abrahamics?
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Paranoid Android
Active Member
Yes. After all, I forgive Squares for there well...Squareness. That's the only way I can stay a pacifist. We have more of a reason to have conflict with the Squares. But I will take there verbal abuse until I die. In that way, whatever they do can't harm me. You have to let go of your ego.
Mitch M
Member
No. i would never be Gay. I Literally Hate and Cringe at the Very thought,
When i was 13 years old i was Drugged and Anally raped for 3 days while in and out of Consciousness.
The Rapist put me in a hole in the ground out in the woods and sodomized me again and again. there were others with Him and they were whispering things in my ear and mocking and laughing at me. I could not move because i was drugged. I was paralyzed, drifting in and out _____ in and out of Consciousness. I felt trapped, Like i was in a living Hell. I just kept screaming in my mind because i could not get the strength to scream out loud.
They did other things to me, in my face and down to my penis and whispered stuff about me having sex with them.
When they were finished . i woke up and crawled out of that hole. My insides { Rectum and Up inside ) were throbbing and it hurt so bad to walk. I just crawled and hunched over till i found a rock to sit on. It hurt to even sit down. My rectum was swollen in a huge bump and sticky and bleeding. It hurt so bad just to even touch it with my salty, sweaty hands. I sat hunched over on one side, shaking and trembling. I felt Ashamed and like my soul was stolen from me. I could not use the bathroom for a whole week.
Homosexuals make me literally sick to my stomach. My entire body curls and spine quivers when i am around a Homosexual. I have to get out and away.
They woke up and aroused my sexuality and shortly thereafter i began to be overly sexually aroused..
they tried to make me Gay. and they Failed. Today i always remember what they did to me. I do not wish any harm on Gay people.
I went home to my mother after that event and she could tell that something was wrong with me. She Asked me what was wrong with me and grabbed me by the shoulders. I collapsed and fell into her arms and cried and cried. And i never told her what happened. Even to this Day. She still does not know. I told one person. and today I tell You.
When i was 13 years old i was Drugged and Anally raped for 3 days while in and out of Consciousness.
The Rapist put me in a hole in the ground out in the woods and sodomized me again and again. there were others with Him and they were whispering things in my ear and mocking and laughing at me. I could not move because i was drugged. I was paralyzed, drifting in and out _____ in and out of Consciousness. I felt trapped, Like i was in a living Hell. I just kept screaming in my mind because i could not get the strength to scream out loud.
They did other things to me, in my face and down to my penis and whispered stuff about me having sex with them.
When they were finished . i woke up and crawled out of that hole. My insides { Rectum and Up inside ) were throbbing and it hurt so bad to walk. I just crawled and hunched over till i found a rock to sit on. It hurt to even sit down. My rectum was swollen in a huge bump and sticky and bleeding. It hurt so bad just to even touch it with my salty, sweaty hands. I sat hunched over on one side, shaking and trembling. I felt Ashamed and like my soul was stolen from me. I could not use the bathroom for a whole week.
Homosexuals make me literally sick to my stomach. My entire body curls and spine quivers when i am around a Homosexual. I have to get out and away.
They woke up and aroused my sexuality and shortly thereafter i began to be overly sexually aroused..
they tried to make me Gay. and they Failed. Today i always remember what they did to me. I do not wish any harm on Gay people.
I went home to my mother after that event and she could tell that something was wrong with me. She Asked me what was wrong with me and grabbed me by the shoulders. I collapsed and fell into her arms and cried and cried. And i never told her what happened. Even to this Day. She still does not know. I told one person. and today I tell You.
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gsa
Well-Known Member
That's horrifying. They were criminals. But between what you just wrote and your earlier comments about gay people, claiming that you do not wish any harm on gay people is somewhat hard to believe. Perhaps it would be a good idea to consider professional counseling to deal with that episode in your past. Many victims of rape and sexual assault from childhood did not receive treatment or counseling. RAINN has a resource page for them, as does their partner organization, 1 in 6, which focuses on male survivors of child sexual abuse.
Men molesting boys are NOT homosexuals. Nor are they considered homosexuals (unless their adult attraction is to other men) by ANYONE who is a legitimate sexologist, psychologist, mental/medical professional or anyone with legitimate credentials.
Many PEDOPHILE groups are working aggressively to lower the age of sexual consent. There is a difference between a male going after a prepubescent child of any sex/gender and an adult sexual orientation, whether that is gay, straight or bi or whatever. This has been known for literally decades, mate. Your so called "statistics" are similarly resoundingly rejected by everyone with legitimate credentials.
As a fellow survivor I am most upset at the despicable crime that was committed against you. But this is not healthy, mate. I agree with @gsa I strongly suggest getting professional help to deal with this horrific episode in your life. Because, whilst I can't claim to be a psychologist, by your posts I venture a guess that this strong hatred stems from that awful experience you had. And this hatred seems to be quite unhealthy for you. Of course, I do not know you, merely making an observation.
Mitch M
Member
You are Correct, I do Truly hate people who harm children. However I choose to inform others about the dangers of leaving Children alone with people who they do not know.
But in todays Society, where many Parents are both working. We do leave our Children (* ALONE ) - in the hands of Strangers.
My Point /- Conclusory statement to My Original Statements - Would also NOTE that- " Men are the Highest RATE of Child molesters.
The Homosexual Man is WATCHED Closely and people simply KNOW Better than to leave Younger Males ALL ALONE, with these Deviants.
The homosexual lifestyle is highly promiscuous and brimming with disease
The lifespan of a homosexual is on average 24 years shorter than that of a heterosexual . . . While the Health 24 article suggested that homosexuals may be pushed to substance abuse and suicide because of anti-homosexual cultural and family pressures, empirical tests have shown that there is no difference in homosexual health risk depending on the level of tolerance in a particular environment. Homosexuals in the United States and Denmark--the latter of which is acknowledged to be highly tolerant of homosexuality--both die on average in their early 50's, or in their 40's if AIDS is the cause of death. The average age for all residents in either country ranges from the mid-to-upper-70s."
(See the Facts at http://www.carm.org/statistics-homosexual-promiscuity)
• 2% of U.S. population is gay yet it accounts for 61% of HIV infection: "Men who have sex with men remain the group most heavily affected by new HIV infections.
While CDC estimates that MSM represent only 2 percent of the U.S. population, they accounted for the majority (61 percent; 29,300) of all new HIV infections in 2009.
Young MSM (ages 13 to 29) were most severely affected, representing more than one quarter of all new HIV infections nationally (27 percent; 12,900 in 2009)."
(Center for Disease Control, cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/HIVIncidencePressRelease.html)
•"Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV and are the only risk group in which new HIV infections have been increasing steadily since the early 1990s . . .
” (Center for Disease Control, http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/index.htm)
If homosexual activity does not harm anyone, then why are the statistics for homosexual AIDS percentages so much higher than the heterosexual population? Again, there is a connection between the redefinition of sexual morals, the increase of promiscuity due to that redefinition, and the proliferation of disease due to the promiscuous behavior.
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"In 2007, MSM [Men Sex with Men] were 44 to 86 times as likely to be diagnosed with HIV compared with other men, and 40 to 77 times as likely as women." (Center for Disease Control, http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/index.htm)
Domestic Violence higher among homosexuals: "'the incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in the heterosexual population.
'(Gwat Yong Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrier, SEE the "Intimate Violence in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice Implications," Journal of Social Service Research 15 (1991): 41–59." (exodusglobalalliance.org/ishomosexualityhealthyp60.php)
If homosexual activity harms no one, then why do gay men have a lifespan that is significantly shorter than heterosexual men ? - Why is the homosexual man 44 to 86 times more likely to be diagnosed with HIV than heterosexual men ?
Why is the incidence of domestic violence double that of heterosexual men ?
Why do lesbian women have greater health risks than heterosexual women (#4)?
Conclusion
The facts speak contrary to the idea that homosexual activity harms no one. My Goal is to debunk the Myth that Being Gay is OK or Normal or has had a good Outcome on society. And to STOP men from Molesting All Children. Thank You.
But in todays Society, where many Parents are both working. We do leave our Children (* ALONE ) - in the hands of Strangers.
My Point /- Conclusory statement to My Original Statements - Would also NOTE that- " Men are the Highest RATE of Child molesters.
The Homosexual Man is WATCHED Closely and people simply KNOW Better than to leave Younger Males ALL ALONE, with these Deviants.
The homosexual lifestyle is highly promiscuous and brimming with disease
The lifespan of a homosexual is on average 24 years shorter than that of a heterosexual . . . While the Health 24 article suggested that homosexuals may be pushed to substance abuse and suicide because of anti-homosexual cultural and family pressures, empirical tests have shown that there is no difference in homosexual health risk depending on the level of tolerance in a particular environment. Homosexuals in the United States and Denmark--the latter of which is acknowledged to be highly tolerant of homosexuality--both die on average in their early 50's, or in their 40's if AIDS is the cause of death. The average age for all residents in either country ranges from the mid-to-upper-70s."
(See the Facts at http://www.carm.org/statistics-homosexual-promiscuity)
• 2% of U.S. population is gay yet it accounts for 61% of HIV infection: "Men who have sex with men remain the group most heavily affected by new HIV infections.
While CDC estimates that MSM represent only 2 percent of the U.S. population, they accounted for the majority (61 percent; 29,300) of all new HIV infections in 2009.
Young MSM (ages 13 to 29) were most severely affected, representing more than one quarter of all new HIV infections nationally (27 percent; 12,900 in 2009)."
(Center for Disease Control, cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/HIVIncidencePressRelease.html)
•"Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV and are the only risk group in which new HIV infections have been increasing steadily since the early 1990s . . .
” (Center for Disease Control, http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/index.htm)
If homosexual activity does not harm anyone, then why are the statistics for homosexual AIDS percentages so much higher than the heterosexual population? Again, there is a connection between the redefinition of sexual morals, the increase of promiscuity due to that redefinition, and the proliferation of disease due to the promiscuous behavior.
.
"In 2007, MSM [Men Sex with Men] were 44 to 86 times as likely to be diagnosed with HIV compared with other men, and 40 to 77 times as likely as women." (Center for Disease Control, http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/index.htm)
Domestic Violence higher among homosexuals: "'the incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in the heterosexual population.
'(Gwat Yong Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrier, SEE the "Intimate Violence in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice Implications," Journal of Social Service Research 15 (1991): 41–59." (exodusglobalalliance.org/ishomosexualityhealthyp60.php)
If homosexual activity harms no one, then why do gay men have a lifespan that is significantly shorter than heterosexual men ? - Why is the homosexual man 44 to 86 times more likely to be diagnosed with HIV than heterosexual men ?
Why is the incidence of domestic violence double that of heterosexual men ?
Why do lesbian women have greater health risks than heterosexual women (#4)?
Conclusion
The facts speak contrary to the idea that homosexual activity harms no one. My Goal is to debunk the Myth that Being Gay is OK or Normal or has had a good Outcome on society. And to STOP men from Molesting All Children. Thank You.
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Well, forgive if you received an apology. 
But, how could anyone genuinely be sorry for offending and ostracizing gay people, if he/she still believes that homosexuality is a sin? Glad I’m out of all this nonsense. Lol How insane to concoct all these religions to hurt others, and then turn around and say your ‘’loving God’’ told you to do so. If that’s not insanity, not sure what is.
But, how could anyone genuinely be sorry for offending and ostracizing gay people, if he/she still believes that homosexuality is a sin? Glad I’m out of all this nonsense. Lol How insane to concoct all these religions to hurt others, and then turn around and say your ‘’loving God’’ told you to do so. If that’s not insanity, not sure what is.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
"Should LGBT people forgive the homophobia of Abrahamic religion?"
No. Offering forgiveness only makes sense when an apology is forthcoming which involves recognising that homophobia is a negative aspect of Abrahamic religions, one that they have done precious little to address in ages past.
Since this isn't the case with most Abrahamics, I'd suggest forgiveness is futile and would only serve to further self-righteous indignation against gay people. 'They're forgiving us? How dare they! We've not done anything wrong!'
No. Offering forgiveness only makes sense when an apology is forthcoming which involves recognising that homophobia is a negative aspect of Abrahamic religions, one that they have done precious little to address in ages past.
Since this isn't the case with most Abrahamics, I'd suggest forgiveness is futile and would only serve to further self-righteous indignation against gay people. 'They're forgiving us? How dare they! We've not done anything wrong!'
#notallabrahamics
People who are unapologetic would not see the need for forgiveness. In this instance, plenty of folks will distance themselves from the shooter and deny any culpability in reinforcing a general tone of homophobia.
Loving the sinner, hating the sin; its merely the homosexual act that is an abomination; don't shove your sexuality in my face...all are bastardizations of the free speech right in so far as to their convenience. Maintain superiority through the freedom to speak against people you find sinful, or through threats of violence and actualized violence.
People who cry foul at marriage equality or who think straight pride is a pushback against any gay agenda need to look at what LGBT community has been saying for decades and decades.....THIS is what we are afraid of. And we keep being proved right that we SHOULD be afraid of it.
The message is loud and clear: queers are fine as long as you know your place. Which includes an addendum: Don't you dare be angry at us for whatever happens to you. You're on your own.
gsa
Well-Known Member
But this really gets to the heart of the matter: They embrace hate and intolerance and believe that because it is a "sincerely held religious belief," they are immune from criticism. I don't think it works like that, for Muslims or anyone else.
Events like Orlando brutally demonstrate the consequences of religious homophobia: For both the victims and the perpetrator.
-Peacemaker-
.45 Cal
It's all 'homophobia's' fault
gsa
Well-Known Member
See? If only you believed you worshiped the same evil god, evangelical and Islamic extremists would have a wonderful relationship with one another.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Too many pages to go back and look for my previous post -
I will never forgive the conservative Christian ideology that made me grow up hating myself. I don't hold an active grudge and let that bitterness consume me, but I will attack such thinking when it's brought up.
But the rest, a word like "forgiveness" makes me that "for what?" It was an Episcopalian priest and his family that made me realize I was wrong for holding the hatred, bitterness, and resentment towards all Christians a few years after I left that religion, and because since he made his church an affirming church before that was really even a word or concept (at least around here) the idea of forgiving just doesn't come up because there is no offense (except the offense felt by the chunk of his church that left after he made it an affirming church).
I will never forgive the conservative Christian ideology that made me grow up hating myself. I don't hold an active grudge and let that bitterness consume me, but I will attack such thinking when it's brought up.
But the rest, a word like "forgiveness" makes me that "for what?" It was an Episcopalian priest and his family that made me realize I was wrong for holding the hatred, bitterness, and resentment towards all Christians a few years after I left that religion, and because since he made his church an affirming church before that was really even a word or concept (at least around here) the idea of forgiving just doesn't come up because there is no offense (except the offense felt by the chunk of his church that left after he made it an affirming church).