The Sanctity of Marriage

Etritonakin · Jun 9, 2016

j76 said:
I wonder why the church stresses "no sex before marriage" and "the sanctity of marriage" so much when Jesus says there is no marriage in heaven? After all, Matthew writes:

"25“Now there were seven brothers with us; and the first married and died, and having no children left his wife to his brother; 26so also the second, and the third, down to the seventh. 27“Last of all, the woman died. 28“In the resurrection, therefore, whose wife of the seven will she be? For they all had married her.” 29But Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30“For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven (Matthew 22:25-30)."

Because we procreate and have gender now, laws concerning such apply now.
When we do not, they can not.

The sanctity of marriage is to ensure the best possible situation in which to raise children and so build a strong society.

Some do not believe it to be important, but an honest look at the world should make one see it differently.

When we are made immortal, we will not be so new, naive, vulnerable, etc....

URAVIP2ME · Jun 11, 2016

Priestess of Lucifer said:
My question is that is it hypocritical that god is judging us?

According to Jeremiah 10:23 it is ' Not in man to be able to direct his step ', so that is why we need God to step in with His guidance for us.
Ecclesiastes 8:9 has proven true in that man's history shows it is man who dominates man to man's hurt or injury.
So, God's judgements are designed to safeguard us so we don't bring hurt or injury to others.
Godly love based on God's judgement of 1 Corinthians 13:4-6 is good toward all.

URAVIP2ME · Jun 11, 2016

Jainarayan said:
I dunno... look at all the fear it's engendered among so many people.
I try to live a good life not because I fear a lake of fire. Rather, I fear being reborn as an artichoke, steamed with garlic and served to someone I dislike.

It is un-biblical teachings about the 'lake of fire' that has engendered fiery fear in many people.
False clergy has fostered a wrong teaching about the biblical ' lake of fire ' in order to control people with such horrific scare tactics.
Please notice the definition of the biblical 'lake of fire ' is defined as ' second death ' ( Not fire ) according to Revelation 20:14
Sometimes in Scripture fire is used to mean: destruction. Such as the wicked will be 'destroyed forever ' - Psalms 92:7; Jeremiah 51:57
KJV translated the word Gehenna into English as hellfire. Gehenna was just a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed Not kept burning forever.
So, the wicked should fear destruction or being destroyed forever and Not a fire.
In Scripture a person does Not get reborn but resurrected back to life again. Some to heaven, but most people back to healthy physical life on Earth to live forever on Earth.

URAVIP2ME · Jun 11, 2016

lovesong said:
The bible is filled with threats that say "do this or you won't have a nice afterlife." What purpose does that have other than to scare people into submission?

First of all, the Bible speak of a future resurrection - Acts of the Apostles 24:15 - instead of ' afterlife ' (<- being more alive after death than before death )
There will be No future life for the wicked because the wicked will be ' destroyed forever ' according to Psalms 92:2; Proverbs 2:21-22
' Thou shall Not murder ', etc. is Not meant to be a threat but as a protection for righteously inclined people.
The ' thou shall nots ' are safety guidelines. Just as Jesus' NEW commandment is a safety that we should have self-sacrificing love for others - John 13:34-35
Can you find anything in Leviticus chapter 19 that sounds like threats, or rather how to cultivate being righteous for your own best interest and best interest of others.

We die because we sin according to Romans 5:12; Romans 6:23.
We can Not resurrect oneself or another, so we need someone who can resurrect us, restore or bring us back to life again.
According to Scripture, Jesus' ransom for us covers MANY or the majority of mankind - Matthew 20:28 - so, except for those of Hebrews 6:4-6 - through Jesus will will come back to life.
Most people will have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection back to life again on Earth starting with Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth.
There will be healing for Earth's nations because mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' on Earth again - Revelation 22:2

lovesong · Jun 11, 2016

URAVIP2ME said:
Can you find anything in Leviticus chapter 19 that sounds like threats, or rather how to cultivate being righteous for your own best interest and best interest of others.

The bible is much longer than one chapter!

URAVIP2ME said:
We die because we sin

This whole idea of sin is just a threat. The idea of sin itself is "if you do this you get punished."

URAVIP2ME · Jun 11, 2016

lovesong said:
The bible is much longer than one chapter!
This whole idea of sin is just a threat. The idea of sin itself is "if you do this you get punished."

Yes, of course the Bible is longer than one chapter and made up of ' 66 ' books from Genesis to Revelation.
Doesn't a parent know at the birth of a child that the child's leanings will be slanted toward wrongdoing ?_______
Otherwise, a parent would Not have to train a child Not to do wrong.
Is correcting a child threatening the child or showing loving concern ?_______ Correcting and guiding does Not mean punishing.
Didn't Jesus pay the price tag for our sins - 1 John 1:7 ?______
So, how do you conclude that sin is .....get punished ?
What does Romans 6:7 say about sin ?
Except for those of Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6, the one who has died is freed or acquitted from their sins.
Please Notice there is No post-mortem penalty punishment for sin mentioned at Romans 6:23.
Because of Jesus' faithful death we can have a resurrection back to life again.
We can Not resurrect oneself or anyone else, so we need someone who can resurrect us. Jesus can and will - Revelation 1:18

lovesong · Jun 11, 2016

URAVIP2ME said:
Yes, of course the Bible is longer than one chapter and made up of ' 66 ' books from Genesis to Revelation.
Doesn't a parent know at the birth of a child that the child's leanings will be slanted toward wrongdoing ?_______
Otherwise, a parent would Not have to train a child Not to do wrong.
Is correcting a child threatening the child or showing loving concern ?_______ Correcting and guiding does Not mean punishing.
Didn't Jesus pay the price tag for our sins - 1 John 1:7 ?______
So, how do you conclude that sin is .....get punished ?
What does Romans 6:7 say about sin ?
Except for those of Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6, the one who has died is freed or acquitted from their sins.
Please Notice there is No post-mortem penalty for sin mentioned at Romans 6:23.
Because of Jesus' faithful death we can have a resurrection back to life again.
We can Not resurrect oneself or anyone else, so we need someone who can resurrect us. Jesus can and will - Revelation 1:18

That's just the way I see it. I see nothing wrong with many of the "sins," so enforcing them has no purpose other than to control how people behave. It is not wrong for a parent to teach the child, if that teaching only goes as far as to make sure the child doesn't hurt others, all other training of children is just to make sure they can function, such as getting dressed and counting money. I do disagree with parenting that includes forcing subjective morality (more than "don't hurt other people") on children. This is basically what correcting "sins" is.

Shadow Wolf · Jun 11, 2016

Quintessence said:
Just gonna say that if the Bible was about "controlling people" it sure did a **** poor job of it...

The history of Europe suggests otherwise. Divine Right to rule, churches as the head of state, convert or die, witch trials, sex shaming, the house arrest of Gallileo, Oliver Cromwell and the Puritans, Nazis and "Gott mit Uns," and even today in America (specifically the state of Indiana) I cannot buy a bottle of any type of alcohol on Sundays because of BS religious laws that control people. Fear is a very effective way of controlling people, and the Bible is loaded with fear and it has controlled myriads of mortals through teaching them the fear of Hell.

URAVIP2ME · Jun 11, 2016

lovesong said:
That's just the way I see it. I see nothing wrong with many of the "sins," so enforcing them has no purpose other than to control how people behave. It is not wrong for a parent to teach the child, if that teaching only goes as far as to make sure the child doesn't hurt others, all other training of children is just to make sure they can function, such as getting dressed and counting money. I do disagree with parenting that includes forcing subjective morality (more than "don't hurt other people") on children. This is basically what correcting "sins" is.

Thank you for your reply.
When you say,' make sure the child doesn't hurt others ' I'm thinking you mean in the broadest sense. Don't harm: physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, etc.
Something people look at regulations as control, as in being a control freak.
Since the God of the Bible forces No one to serve or worship Him, then that is Not controlling.
This may Not be a good illustration: but who complains about the regulated school system's structure.
We have the teacher over the pupil, the principal over the teacher, and the super over the principal.
That system, carried out properly, works.
So, in Scripture God gives us regulations ' if ' we want to gain everlasting life, such as Jesus' NEW commandment to have self-sacrificing love for others as he did - John 13:34-35
In Scripture sin is either: on purpose or not, by accident or not, deliberate or not, premeditated or not, willfully or not.
Unless we repent, we are accountable for intentional sins. If we want to harm Earth or others we are Not acting responsibly toward God, and God will Not tolerate deliberate wrongdoers.
- 2 Peter 3:9; Revelation 11:18 B; Psalms 37:11; Psalms 37:29; Proverbs 2:21-22; Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16

Sleeppy · Jun 11, 2016

Matthew 22:29-32 said:
And Jesus answering said to them, 'Ye go astray, not knowing the Writings, nor the power of God; for in the rising again they do not marry, nor are they given in marriage, but are as messengers of God in heaven. And concerning the rising again of the dead, did ye not read that which was spoken to you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not a God of dead men, but of living.'

That last line is of utmost importance here. If any of you will understand:

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are being likened to the aforementioned dead men, in the context of the rising again, or the resurrection. They are as the messengers of God in heaven, neither marrying, nor being given in marriage. Take note. The resurrection, or the rising again, is a description of natural birth- and that is related in the procession of Abraham's lineage. Abraham rises again in Isaac, and then again in Jacob. Isaac rises again in Jacob, and so forth.

URAVIP2ME · Jun 11, 2016

Shadow Wolf said:
The history of Europe suggests otherwise. Divine Right to rule, churches as the head of state, convert or die,......................... Fear is a very effective way of controlling people, and the Bible is loaded with fear and it has controlled myriads of mortals through teaching them the fear of Hell.

Is it the Bible itself or rather false clergy teachings about the Bible that ' controls ' the flock.
When KJV translated the word Gehenna into English as hellfire, then the false clergy used ' fire ' as a tool to control the flock of God - Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30
Gehenna was simply a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where dead things were destroyed and Not kept burning forever.
Wrong teachings do Not make the Bible as wrong, but makes the wrong teachings about the Bible as wrong.

There is a BIG difference between the Bible's hell, and non-biblical religious-myth hell taught as Scripture.
In Scripture does anyone righteous go to hell ? _______
The day Jesus' died righteous Jesus went to the Bible's hell - Acts of the Apostles 2:27; Psalms 16:10
What would the dead Jesus be doing while in hell but be in death's deep sleep state - John 11:12-14
Jesus and the old Hebrew Scriptures both teach: unconscious sleep in death:
- Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13; Ecclesiastes 9:5
So, the Bible's hell is simply mankind's temporary stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead (R.I.P.) until resurrected out of temporary biblical hell - Revelation 1:18
As Revelation 20:13-14 shows that after everyone in biblical hell is ' delivered up ' (KJV) meaning resurrected out of the Bible's hell, then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into a symbolic ' second death ' for vacated hell. Symbolically the Bible's hell 'dies out of existence forever and ever '. - Enemy death will be No more - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8

Shadow Wolf · Jun 11, 2016

URAVIP2ME said:
Is it the Bible itself or rather false clergy teachings about the Bible that ' controls ' the flock.

This clergy has to get it's words and sources from somewhere. I've been to the churches that like to point out that the Bible mentions Hell more often than it mentions Heaven.
And you can say what you want, but ultimately Christianity is very divided and many will not agree with you and they will cite their own assortment of Psalms, Proverbs, John, Matthew, Revelations, and others to make their point which contradicts yours.

URAVIP2ME · Jun 11, 2016

Sleeppy said:
That last line is of utmost importance here. If any of you will understand:
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are being likened to the aforementioned dead men, in the context of the rising again, or the resurrection. They are as the messengers of God in heaven, neither marrying, nor being given in marriage. Take note. The resurrection, or the rising again, is a description of natural birth- and that is related in the procession of Abraham's lineage. Abraham rises again in Isaac, and then again in Jacob. Isaac rises again in Jacob, and so forth.

All the people of Hebrews 11 did Not see the fulfillment of the promise - Hebrews 11:13; Hebrews 11:39
The promise God made to father Abraham is that ALL families and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed - Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18
Blessed with the Benefits of healing for earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
Mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' on Earth - Revelation 22:2
No one who died before Jesus died is offered heaven - John 3:13; Acts of the Apostles 2:34; Matthew 11:11
So, all who died before Jesus can have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection starting with Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental ruleship over Earth.

URAVIP2ME · Jun 11, 2016

Shadow Wolf said:
This clergy has to get it's words and sources from somewhere. I've been to the churches that like to point out that the Bible mentions Hell more often than it mentions Heaven.
And you can say what you want, but ultimately Christianity is very divided and many will not agree with you and they will cite their own assortment of Psalms, Proverbs, John, Matthew, Revelations, and others to make their point which contradicts yours.

The clergy does Not have to depend on the English KJV Bible.
The ancient manuscripts support Bible canon.
A Greek Interlinear shows the words as they appear in the Greek.
Sheol Hebrew, or hades/haides Greek, is still the common grave of mankind. Nothing more. The dead know nothing -> Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:12-14
What Scripture shows otherwise ?
So, the Bible can be studied or researched by subject or topic arrangement.
That shows the internal harmony among its writers through the Bible's corresponding cross-reference verses and passages.

Shadow Wolf · Jun 11, 2016

URAVIP2ME said:
The clergy does Not have to depend on the English KJV Bible.
The ancient manuscripts support Bible canon.
A Greek Interlinear shows the words as they appear in the Greek.
Sheol Hebrew, or hades/haides Greek, is still the common grave of mankind. Nothing more. The dead know nothing -> Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:12-14
What Scripture shows otherwise ?
So, the Bible can be studied or researched by subject or topic arrangement.
That shows the internal harmony among its writers through the Bible's corresponding cross-reference verses and passages.

If we go that route, then we can bring in all the Jews who insist Christians have really got it all wrong.

Sleeppy · Jun 11, 2016

URAVIP2ME said:
All the people of Hebrews 11 did Not see the fulfillment of the promise - Hebrews 11:13; Hebrews 11:39
The promise God made to father Abraham is that ALL families and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed - Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18
Blessed with the Benefits of healing for earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
Mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' on Earth - Revelation 22:2
No one who died before Jesus died is offered heaven - John 3:13; Acts of the Apostles 2:34; Matthew 11:11
So, all who died before Jesus can have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection starting with Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental ruleship over Earth.

It says that while they had not received before death, they saw from afar. Isaac is identified as the exception in verse 17, being the "one who had become dead" in verse 12, and whom "out of the dead God is able to raise up", "a seed called to thee." Isaac is identified as the "figure" of Christ received by Abraham.

Hebrews 11:4 parallels Matthew 22:30
Hebrews 11:17-19 further explains exactly what I'm telling you.

URAVIP2ME · Jun 12, 2016

Sleeppy said:
It says that while they had not received before death, they saw from afar. Isaac is identified as the exception in verse 17, being the "one who had become dead" in verse 12, and whom "out of the dead God is able to raise up", "a seed called to thee." Isaac is identified as the "figure" of Christ received by Abraham.
Hebrews 11:4 parallels Matthew 22:30
Hebrews 11:17-19 further explains exactly what I'm telling you.

'Saw from afar ' ( Messiah's 1,000-year reign over earth would be ' afar ' in the future) Jesus proved to be that promised ' seed ' God raised up - Genesis 3:15
Didn't God promise Abraham ALL families and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed ? _______Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18
Blessed with the benefit of healing for earth's nations right here on Earth - Revelation 22:2
The ' tree of life ' was never in heaven. The return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' is found on Earth - Revelation 22:2

Doesn't Hebrews 11:4 parallel with Genesis 4:5; Genesis 4:4; Genesis 4:10; Matthew 23:35
Whereas Matthew 22:30 parallels or corresponds with Luke 20:35
Hebrews 11:17 corresponds with Genesis 22:1; Genesis 22:9; John 3:16
Hebrews 11:18 corresponds with Genesis 21:12; Romans 9:7
Hebrews 11:19 corresponds with Romans 4:17; 1 Corinthians 10:11; 1 Corinthians 15:20

Heaven was Not promised to all of Jesus' followers, but rather everlasting life on Earth was - Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:11; Psalms 37:29; Proverbs 2:21-22
Only those who have a first or earlier resurrection are called to heaven - Revelation 20:6; Revelation 2:10 ; Revelation 5:9-10; Luke 22:28-30
They are a ' little flock ' - Luke 12:32, whereas the majority of mankind are the ' other sheep ' of John 10:16
Where is King David - Acts of the Apostles 2:34 - since David is Not in heaven? He can be a future ' prince ' on Earth - Psalms 45:16; Isaiah 32:1; Ezekiel 34:24
So, besides heaven, Jesus will have earthly subjects - Psalms 72:8; Psalms 72:12-14- resurrecting dead people to healthy physical life on Earth - Revelation 1:18
The living ' sheep ' of Matthew 25:31-33 are Not Jesus' brothers of Matthew 25:40; 2 Corinthians 5:20; Hebrews 2:11
Those ' sheep ' are alive on Earth at the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth.
Those ' sheep ' can remain alive on Earth, and continue to live on Earth, right into the start of Day One of Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth.

URAVIP2ME · Jun 12, 2016

Shadow Wolf said:
If we go that route, then we can bring in all the Jews who insist Christians have really got it all wrong.

The Jews, for the most part, accept the old Hebrew Scriptures but Not the Christian Scriptures.
I met a Jewish professor who decided to take up music lessons and his instructor was a Christian.
What the professor learned besides music was that the Christian Scriptures do fit with the old Hebrew Scriptures.
Just as the Jewish religious leaders of Jesus day rejected 1st-century Christianity - Matthew 15:9; Mark 7:1-7; Mark 7:13; Matthew 23 chapter - so do most people today.
That is why Jesus could mention that MANY would come ' in his name ' but prove false - Matthew 7:21-23

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