Who Would This Person Be Within Hinduism

Yeah Brahma is material. Bhagavatam describes that each of the separate universes have different brahmas and during pralaya, they dissolve in Maha Visnu's body. Not just Brahma, all the demigods, Saraswati, Indra, because even their bodies, despite being celestial, are part of the material world, and hence subject to decay. Eventhe demigods are deluded by the Lord's Maya (Bhagavatam's first verse says:"muhyanti yat sūrayaḥ tejo-vāri-mṛdāṁ yathā vinimayo yatra tri-sargo ’mṛṣā" (By Him even the great sages and demigods are placed into illusion, as one is bewildered by the illusory representations of water seen in fire, or land seen on water.) )


There is really nice pastime. Brahmaji gets very proud one day, and in order to break his pride, Sri Krsna takes him to a place, where he sees thousands of other Brahmas. Lord Krsna says to him with a smile "You didn't think you were the only one did you?"/=

Jainarayan said:

What I mean is I wish he'd get here before my mortgage payment is due and I'm out of a job on July 30 (our whole IT dept. and data center was outsourced, that's our last day).

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This is very sad to hear . Will pray to Nitai for you. .

निताइ dasa said:

Yeah Brahma is material. Bhagavatam describes that each of the separate universes have different brahmas and during pralaya, they dissolve in Maha Visnu's body. Not just Brahma, all the demigods, Saraswati, Indra, because even their bodies, despite being celestial, are part of the material world, and hence subject to decay. Eventhe demigods are deluded by the Lord's Maya (Bhagavatam's first verse says:"muhyanti yat sūrayaḥ tejo-vāri-mṛdāṁ yathā vinimayo yatra tri-sargo ’mṛṣā" (By Him even the great sages and demigods are placed into illusion, as one is bewildered by the illusory representations of water seen in fire, or land seen on water.) )

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Ah yes, that's right... I forgot.

There is really nice pastime. Brahmaji gets very proud one day, and in order to break his pride, Sri Krsna takes him to a place, where he sees thousands of other Brahmas. Lord Krsna says to him with a smile "You didn't think you were the only one did you?"/=

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Lord Brahmā is always getting his bubble (i.e. ego) burst. If I remember, Buddhism also acknowledges many hundreds of Brahmā-s.

This is very sad to hear . Will pray to Nitai for you. .

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Thanks, it will be all right. I always say I hope the asteroid or comet the astronomers keep promising hits us before [I insert whatever I don't want to do].

Purusha said:

can you put out what exactly are you trying to say in this thread?

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Since spent my life studying different eschatology around the world, find it fascinating there is a nearly matching core narrative, it is just additional aspects that often confuse us to seeing the similarities.

So questioning if Hindu texts also has this core idea within it somewhere, and if people actually believe it.

निताइ dasa said:

There is a very long time to go before Lord Kalki appears.

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How do we know we have the date right?

Aupmanyav said:

Vaishnavas. If Brahma dies what happens to Maha Saraswati. These are eternals.

Jai, he will sure take care of you.

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Isn't she born from the mouth of Brahma?
These beings are not born and they do not die like we do. They come back into 'existence' ever time the material nature is reborn.That is, according to Vaishnavism as you said. I am not familiar with other stories about them.

Madhuri said:

Isn't she born from the mouth of Brahma?
These beings are not born and they do not die like we do. They come back into 'existence' ever time the material nature is reborn.That is, according to Vaishnavism as you said. I am not familiar with other stories about them.

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Well, as a Siva devotee, I'm certainly not familiar with the stories. But it does remind me of a recent question I heard asked of a swami.
Asker: Why did Brahma cheat?" (I think the person asking had only barely read a wee bit about Hinduism, and knew very little, but that's fine. I didn't know the story anyway.)
Swami: after a pause, "Well ... it's a story ..." and than he went on to explain how it most likely has some lesson in it somewhere.

So now I look at some of this stuff, and immediately think, "Well, it's a story ..."

Vinayaka said:

So now I look at some of this stuff, and immediately think, "Well, it's a story ..."

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Yes, my thoughts too.

wizanda said:

How do we know we have the date right?

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If you are gonna accept a prediction of scripture, then you sorta have to accept the prediction date also (we can't cherry pick remember). Hindu Puranas are very clear when an avatar will appear, and Lord Kalki is set to appear in the end of Kaliyuga, which is a loong time away from now.

I think Kali Yuga is supposed to last ~432,000 years. It began at Lord Krishna's departure in 3102 BCE. So we have roughly 428,799 years to go. I don't think I'll be able to attend Lord Kalki's arrival. I probably won't even be subatomic particles by then.

निताइ dasa said:

If you are gonna accept a prediction of scripture, then you sorta have to accept the prediction date also (we can't cherry pick remember). Hindu Puranas are very clear when an avatar will appear, and Lord Kalki is set to appear in the end of Kaliyuga, which is a loong time away from now.

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So what about Gauranga Mahaprabhu and Nitai? Of course, they were great bhaktas with great insight.

Jainarayan said:

I think Kali Yuga is supposed to last ~432,000 years. It began at Lord Krishna's departure in 3102 BCE. So we have roughly 428,799 years to go. I don't think I'll be able to attend Lord Kalki's arrival. I probably won't even be subatomic particles by then.

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The Aatman is neither born nor does it die. It does not come into being, or cease to exist. It is unborn, eternal and permanent.- Gita

Aupmanyav said:

So what about Gauranga Mahaprabhu and Nitai? Of course, they were great bhaktas with great insight.

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Don't you feel weird interacting with teenagers hahahah

wizanda said:

Since spent my life studying different eschatology around the world, find it fascinating there is a nearly matching core narrative, it is just additional aspects that often confuse us to seeing the similarities.

So questioning if Hindu texts also has this core idea within it somewhere, and if people actually believe it.

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Appreciate it but you are trying to club mutually incompatible stuff together

Purusha said:

Don't you feel weird interacting with teenagers hahahah

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The age difference. Today's teenagers are slowly becoming strangers for me. Can't blame them.

Aupmanyav said:

The age difference. Today's teenagers are slowly becoming strangers for me. Can't blame them.

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Hehea

Purusha said:

Any stories of dead rising is absolutely illogical

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Thank you for clarifying, suppose using the term 'dead' is the aspect that is faulty, as the saints aren't dead, just on a different plain of existence.... Could do with finding the references used in this article, and verifying if this idea is correct.

'The Linga, Brahmanda, and Vayu Puranas explain that after Lord Kalki returns to His eternal abode, when those subjects surviving at the end of Kali-yuga are enlightened, the yuga changes overnight. Then the minds of all people will become enlightened as clear as crystal, and with inevitable force Krita or Satya-yuga sets in. People then realize the soul, acquiring piety, devotion, tranquility, and clear consciousness. Then those Siddhas [the enlightened and perfected living beings who had remained invisible on a higher dimension through the end of the age of Kali] return to the earthly dimension and again are clearly visible. They establish themselves with the return of the Saptarishis, the seven sages, who instruct everyone about spiritual life, Vedic knowledge, and the progressive organization of society for a peaceful and fulfilling existence. Then again people flourish and perform the sacred rites, and the sages will remain in authority to continue the advancement of the new Satya-yuga.'

Aupmanyav said:

So what about Gauranga Mahaprabhu and Nitai? Of course, they were great bhaktas with great insight.

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Lord Gauranga Mahaprabhu is there ahah, I believe I have shown you some proof (like 4 pages of the Gaudiya Thread we discussed this. Those were fun times, though I don't miss them). The verse: krsna varna tvisakrsnam from Bhagavatam. Should not be problem for you though. In Aup Adwaita, everyone is Brahman.

As for Lord Nitai...He is cheeky, likes to hide. nigama agocara. I'm still looking for Him. and my name is Nitai dasa! There is very nice story in this regard. When Lord Gauranga Mahaprabhu was manifesting His kaishora (youth) pastimes, we knew that Nityananda was coming to meet Him. When Nityananda Prabhu arrived, only He knew, so He asked Srivasa and Haridas to go and find Him. Srivasra and Haridas searched for 6 hours in everyone's house but could not find Him. And then Lord Gauranga Mahaprabhu went outside and there was Nitai!! Vrndavana das Thakur describes:

"Hearing them, Shri Gaurasundara began to smile. By the pretext of ordering the search, He showed that Lord Nityananda is most confidential. Some people glorify Lord Gaurachandra, but as soon as they hear the name of Nityananda, they get up and leave. Just like if one worships Govinda, but does not respect Lord Siva. For that offense, he will surely go to the abode of Yamaraja. Similarly, this incarnation of Lord Nityananda is most confidential. Without the inspiration of Lord Gauranga, no one can even see Him. If anyone criticizes Lord Nityananda’s unfathomable qualities, though he possesses devotion to Lord Krishna, such devotion will be checked."

निताइ dasa said:

If you are gonna accept a prediction of scripture, then you sorta have to accept the prediction date also (we can't cherry pick remember).

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Unfortunately when we look at any predictive time in any religion, they all seem to be miles off, with lots of people guessing; on examining the Wikipedia page, it would appear the same applies within Hinduism.

There seems to be a time delay between the infinite, and our linear time line; plus in our measurements systems, like distances, time periods, money, are often inaccurate in our modern understanding.

Jainarayan said:

I don't think I'll be able to attend Lord Kalki's arrival.

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निताइ dasa said:

which is a loong time away from now.

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What if it wasn't, and we're actually at the end of Kali Yuga?

Could it be possible Kalki comes back before the mass destruction is going to happen, to call time earlier than expected?

Purusha said:

Appreciate it but you are trying to club mutually incompatible stuff together

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Generally speaking, if a person's mind is made up, they ask questions of others to get confirmation that they're right. Since their mind is already made up, and they don't get the answer they're looking for, even if 10 000 people disagree, their mind is made up, and they dismiss other opinions.

Similarly, If you're working beside people on a project where aesthetic decisions are to be made, like interiour decorating or landscaping, and that say, '______, could I get your opinion on something?", what it means is they just want approval, not your actual opinion. So the entire thing becomes a waste of everyone's time.

Vinayaka said:

Generally speaking

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It is very 'generally speaking', and when it comes to religious concepts, that can be well off.... As often people follow what the mass consensus dictates, and not what the actual text says.

So whereas the text presents a case that could be rationally seen to fit together; yet due to people's illogical presuppositions from their own religious upbringing, they will stick with what they're taught, rather than questioning any alternate perspective.

As for anything being a waste of time, finding it a waste of time me being sent back before the Messianic age/Satya Yuga; yet it doesn't stop me attempting to have a rational discourse with people, even if they have made up their minds already.

निताइ dasa said:

Should not be problem for you though. In Aup Adwaita, everyone is Brahman.

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You are right. No problem for me. Nitai bol.