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Life is meant to be destroyed

Draka

Draka

Wonder Woman
MattMVS7 said:
You say just change my life. Like I said, no matter what I try and think, nothing changes. This is truly the only thing I have in life that brings my life meaning and I wouldn't be sitting here complaining if other things brought my life meaning and joy.
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I didn't say to think a different way, I said to change your life. Have a job you don't like? Find a different one. Don't like where you live? Try moving somewhere new. Miserable relationships with other people? Maybe it's time to severe some ties and find new people to be around. Bored? try starting a new hobby or volunteer somewhere doing something that you enjoy.

Honestly, you just seem to be whining and having a temper tantrum. "Look at me! I'm not getting what I want. I want to live forever and I can't. Oh woe is me. Everything sucks! The world sucks. People suck. Life is worthless if I can't live forever!" You come off as a 2 year-old tossing his blocks around the room because he can't have a popsicle. :rolleyes:
 
The Transcended Omniverse

The Transcended Omniverse

Well-Known Member
Draka said:
I didn't say to think a different way, I said to change your life. Have a job you don't like? Find a different one. Don't like where you live? Try moving somewhere new. Miserable relationships with other people? Maybe it's time to severe some ties and find new people to be around. Bored? try starting a new hobby or volunteer somewhere doing something that you enjoy.

Honestly, you just seem to be whining and having a temper tantrum. "Look at me! I'm not getting what I want. I want to live forever and I can't. Oh woe is me. Everything sucks! The world sucks. People suck. Life is worthless if I can't live forever!" You come off as a 2 year-old tossing his blocks around the room because he can't have a popsicle. :rolleyes:
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If this were some fancy want such as a car or a mansion, then yes, I would agree that I would be like a child. But this is a completely different situation we are talking here. This is my own existence as a human being we are talking here. Like I said, for that to be tossed and forever thrown away as though I am just some biological process here to live and just remain dead in the end is the most demeaning thing. It is utterly demeaning of my personal value and worth as a human being. So me complaining about it and being enraged about a situation like this is not childish. It is well justified and mature.

Living forever in eternal bliss is truly the only thing that matters to me in life and nothing else. All things in life independent of that do not matter to me and bring my life no joy or meaning at all. It is only through me living forever in eternal bliss that brings all those things joy and meaning to me. So the very one and only source of all joy and meaning in my life is living forever in eternal bliss.

Without this source, then all joy and meaning in my life is lost. It is my feelings of bliss and living forever that brings joy and meaning to all things in my life including the relationship I have with my own family. So without this, my family no longer matters to me anymore, I would give up on them, and end my life since I have nothing else in my life to bring me joy and meaning.

I refuse to live such an abomination of a life that not only renders me unhappy in this life, but also offers me no eternal blissful afterlife. I will put an end to such an abomination right now. So I am giving up on life right now since me living in eternal bliss is all that matters to me in life. This is all I came here to live for and nothing else. So goodbye. I think I am at the end of my rope here and am considering ending my life. The fact is, if other things in my life brought me joy and meaning, then you wouldn't see me giving up. But since this is not the case, then this is why I am immediately giving up on life right now.
 
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ThirtyThree

ThirtyThree

Well-Known Member
Theweirdtophat said:
Some people don't notice the good things in life, even if it's right in front of them. Open up your perception. Don't expect as if the world owes you. It doesn't.
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This has nothing to do with the "good" things in life. I refer to the everlasting reality of existence after physical death.
 
Theweirdtophat

Theweirdtophat

Well-Known Member
ThirtyThree said:
This has nothing to do with the "good" things in life. I refer to the everlasting reality of existence after physical death.
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We all end up in the next stage, but the good things in life make me happy. It is a whole learning process. Nothing really ends anyway. A lot of it is a cycle of learning and progression.

Life is and never was meant to be destroyed. It's not about dominating one another or trying to take as much as you want from this planet at the expense of others. We learn and we grow and we protect life and love life.
 
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Kilgore Trout

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
MattMVS7 said:
To me, the very fact that all we are is some biological process of life that will live and just forever die one day makes us all inferior and makes this life inferior as well and worthy of being destroyed. It doesn't matter who you are as a person and what deeds you have done for the world, the very fact that you are just going to forever die one day makes you inferior.
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On the contrary, something that existed without end would have no value, and thus be inferior. Endless existence would eventually end in madness for any conscious/feeling entity.
 
The_Fisher_King

The_Fisher_King

Trying to bring myself ever closer to Allah
Premium Member
Etritonakin said:
Notice that other life forms do not have such concerns.
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You say this as if it is plain and clear for everyone to see. But what do you really know about what is going on inside another life form, what its concerns are and so on?
 
The_Fisher_King

The_Fisher_King

Trying to bring myself ever closer to Allah
Premium Member
MattMVS7 said:
If this were some fancy want such as a car or a mansion, then yes, I would agree that I would be like a child. But this is a completely different situation we are talking here. This is my own existence as a human being we are talking here. Like I said, for that to be tossed and forever thrown away as though I am just some biological process here to live and just remain dead in the end is the most demeaning thing. It is utterly demeaning of my personal value and worth as a human being. So me complaining about it and being enraged about a situation like this is not childish. It is well justified and mature.

Living forever in eternal bliss is truly the only thing that matters to me in life and nothing else. All things in life independent of that do not matter to me and bring my life no joy or meaning at all. It is only through me living forever in eternal bliss that brings all those things joy and meaning to me. So the very one and only source of all joy and meaning in my life is living forever in eternal bliss.

Without this source, then all joy and meaning in my life is lost. It is my feelings of bliss and living forever that brings joy and meaning to all things in my life including the relationship I have with my own family. So without this, my family no longer matters to me anymore, I would give up on them, and end my life since I have nothing else in my life to bring me joy and meaning.

I refuse to live such an abomination of a life that not only renders me unhappy in this life, but also offers me no eternal blissful afterlife. I will put an end to such an abomination right now. So I am giving up on life right now since me living in eternal bliss is all that matters to me in life. This is all I came here to live for and nothing else. So goodbye. I think I am at the end of my rope here and am considering ending my life. The fact is, if other things in my life brought me joy and meaning, then you wouldn't see me giving up. But since this is not the case, then this is why I am immediately giving up on life right now.
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What led you to this belief that you are just some biological process that will come to an end with nothing afterwards?
 
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Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
MattMVS7 said:
If this were some fancy want such as a car or a mansion, then yes, I would agree that I would be like a child. But this is a completely different situation we are talking here. This is my own existence as a human being we are talking here. Like I said, for that to be tossed and forever thrown away as though I am just some biological process here to live and just remain dead in the end is the most demeaning thing. It is utterly demeaning of my personal value and worth as a human being. So me complaining about it and being enraged about a situation like this is not childish. It is well justified and mature.

Living forever in eternal bliss is truly the only thing that matters to me in life and nothing else. All things in life independent of that do not matter to me and bring my life no joy or meaning at all. It is only through me living forever in eternal bliss that brings all those things joy and meaning to me. So the very one and only source of all joy and meaning in my life is living forever in eternal bliss.

Without this source, then all joy and meaning in my life is lost. It is my feelings of bliss and living forever that brings joy and meaning to all things in my life including the relationship I have with my own family. So without this, my family no longer matters to me anymore, I would give up on them, and end my life since I have nothing else in my life to bring me joy and meaning.

I refuse to live such an abomination of a life that not only renders me unhappy in this life, but also offers me no eternal blissful afterlife. I will put an end to such an abomination right now. So I am giving up on life right now since me living in eternal bliss is all that matters to me in life. This is all I came here to live for and nothing else. So goodbye. I think I am at the end of my rope here and am considering ending my life. The fact is, if other things in my life brought me joy and meaning, then you wouldn't see me giving up. But since this is not the case, then this is why I am immediately giving up on life right now.
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I would kill to see how you lose your **** over an actual problem.
 
turk179

turk179

I smell something....
Nietzsche said:
I would kill to see how you lose your **** over an actual problem.
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Perception is a funny thing, Nietzsche. There are those with mental issues that lose their (four stars of censorship) over having one more pea on their plate or loud noises. Would you kill to see them lose their **** also? The truth is people handle things differently. When faced with the knowledge that when I die I'm just going to be worm food, 2 things happened. First, I needed to find a scientific way to live forever (genetically splicing my genes with a jellyfish hasn't worked yet.) And second, I realized that I better get as much out of this life as I can. Everyone is different though.
 
The Transcended Omniverse

The Transcended Omniverse

Well-Known Member
All that matters in my life is that I have a life all to myself. One that is eternal, blissful, has no more suffering, and no depression. Living forever and being happy is all that matters to me and if anyone takes that away from me, then I will be driven to violence.
 
Draka

Draka

Wonder Woman
Perhaps you should be driven to a hospital instead. Walk in to admitting or the ER and tell them what you've been saying here. You should find yourself some help quick enough.
 
turk179

turk179

I smell something....
MattMVS7 said:
All that matters in my life is that I have a life all to myself. One that is eternal, blissful, has no more suffering, and no depression. Living forever and being happy is all that matters to me and if anyone takes that away from me, then I will be driven to violence.
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You say "if" someone takes that away from you. But you said earlier that it already has been taken away. Are you planning on hurting someone now. Why post this in the debate forum. Personally I would take draka's advice and go ask for help at a hospital.
 
The Transcended Omniverse

The Transcended Omniverse

Well-Known Member
Draka said:
Perhaps you should be driven to a hospital instead. Walk in to admitting or the ER and tell them what you've been saying here. You should find yourself some help quick enough.
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Thanks. But I am really not sure if my life can have any joy and meaning without my belief in the eternal blissful afterlife. If nothing changes in my life and if I can't have the joy and meaning that I had many years ago when I did have my full belief back then, then that leaves me with no choice. I will have to be put out.
 
Kartari

Kartari

Active Member
Hello Matt,

MattMVS7 said:
This life isn’t meant to be cherished. It is meant to be destroyed. If anything or anyone messes with me and gives me problems, then they will be destroyed. Since this life has given me the greatest problem of all which is eternal death rather than what I absolutely need and solely value in life which is an eternal blissful life, then this life is more than worthy of being destroyed. Eternal death is the ultimate abomination and the ultimate sin against me. It is the ultimate insult, mockery, and demeaning of my personal value and worth as a human being since it is no different than saying to me:

“Here, you have this beautiful life to live for a while. But too bad, it is only here for a short time and I am going to put you forever in the grave. You are nothing more than a biological organism that will live and just forever be waste and decayed in the end. You are not an immortal soul. You are just here to live and forever die. You are nothing more than a mere biological process of life. Sure, you can do good deeds in this life and other important things. But you are still nothing more than a mere biological process of life that will just live and forever die one day.”

Anything or anyone that demeans my personal value and worth like this needs to be destroyed. Therefore, this life was better off having been destroyed to begin with. Me living in eternal bliss is the #1 thing to me in life. NEVER take this away from me. Anyone who does will be in serious trouble.

This is all I have and I cannot be happy and find meaning in my life without this. The idea of me forever dying is the worst thing to me that not only makes my life miserable and meaningless, but also induces a psychotic destructive rage since my importance as a human being is being demeaned by this very fact of life.

I absolutely cannot stand it when not only my feelings of happiness are taken away, but also me living forever happy. Me living forever happy is all that matters to me and anything or anyone that goes against this will be destroyed. I will become violent to show you just how serious I am when I say that a life that I can have all to myself to enjoy and be happy in for all eternity (an eternal blissful life) is all that matters to me and is all that brings my life joy and meaning.
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First of all, I want to let you know that you are not alone. I was raised Catholic, and I've been through that unfathomable letdown myself. The letdown of when you realize the dream of eternal life was a bubble that's been irreparably burst.

As someone who has gone through this, trust me when I tell you that, despite how impossible it might seem to you at the moment, you can, and you will, get over this. You can, in fact, not only get past this, but find contentment in life in ways you may not at present be able to even realize in your sadness.

Second, I am concerned about your references to violence and feeling like destroying people. That, frankly, is not healthy. I highly recommend refraining from harming anyone. You may find it very beneficial to seek professional help, no joke.

I wish you the best.
 
Kartari

Kartari

Active Member
MattMVS7 said:
Thanks. But I am really not sure if my life can have any joy and meaning without my belief in the eternal blissful afterlife. If nothing changes in my life and if I can't have the joy and meaning that I had many years ago when I did have my full belief back then, then that leaves me with no choice. I will have to be put out.
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Don't do that. You always have a choice. Yes, all things do pass. But life is not the only thing that passes. Feelings of disappointment and sadness as well pass away. Everything comes and goes, everything changes, including the things we think we value most out of life. What do you have to lose by living, seeking help, and giving a new vision of life a chance?
 
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ArtieE

Well-Known Member
MattMVS7 said:
Why do you think we have religious beliefs out there which believe in the eternal soul? It is because they see human beings as eternal souls.
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We have a survival instinct and don't want to die so some people invent a soul that doesn't die and problem solved. I never had a problem with not living forever.
 
The Transcended Omniverse

The Transcended Omniverse

Well-Known Member
ArtieE said:
We have a survival instinct and don't want to die so some people invent a soul that doesn't die and problem solved. I never had a problem with not living forever.
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Then you don't have that survival instinct like I do. This survival instinct is very strong in me. So strong that it renders my life empty, hellish, and miserable without my belief in the eternal blissful afterlife.
 
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ArtieE

Well-Known Member
MattMVS7 said:
Then you don't have that survival instinct like I do. This survival instinct is very strong in me. So strong that it renders my life empty, hellish, and miserable without my belief in the eternal blissful afterlife.
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Have you checked if there's any medication for a hyperactive survival instinct?
 
The Transcended Omniverse

The Transcended Omniverse

Well-Known Member
Kilgore Trout said:
On the contrary, something that existed without end would have no value, and thus be inferior. Endless existence would eventually end in madness for any conscious/feeling entity.
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How do you know that applies to everyone though? How do you know that I would go mad? I don't think I ever would since an eternal blissful life means so much to me.
 
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