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Why do people enjoy attacking the Catholic church so much
- Thread starter Trinity
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linwood
Well-Known Member
Jesus started the confusion himself.Trinity said:
First he said this to the High Priests.
Matthew..
15:11
Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Then he said this when the disciples asked him what he meant....
Matthew...
15:16-19
And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, and blasphemies.
There are other books that mention the old laws being abolished.
Jesus isnt exactly clear on this one and I believe thats the source of confusion about it with most Christians.
I do not want to get into a debate about it here; there is a thread in Biblical Debates titled Leviticus that delves into it already.
Its irrelevant anyway because I`m talking about the beliefs and rights of these Heretics.
They didnt subscribe to the Biblical texts as the orthodox did and you are defending the Church with the same texts the Church used to persecute these people.
Its kind of ironic really.
My point is ..these Christians didnt fall into line with the Orthodox Church , the Orthodox Church persecuted them brutally for it.
It is true.
This Crusade against the Albigenses was ordered by Innocent III in 1209.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08013a.htm
It was one of many over the centuries.
This was the Catholic Church.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08013a.htm
linwood
Well-Known Member
Australian church apologies to child migrants:
1300 British and Maltese children abused by the Catholic church over a span of 3 decades.
These numbers are just those that have been proven, the church imported 100,000 of these British orphans over a period of 100 years..
Sexual, physical abuse, humiliation, and deprivation of food was common practice at these Australian Catholic Schools.
These children were brought to Australia by the Church for forced labor looking to populate with pure white stock.
The church has admitted and is making payment for this child immigrant scheme.
1300 British and Maltese children abused by the Catholic church over a span of 3 decades.
These numbers are just those that have been proven, the church imported 100,000 of these British orphans over a period of 100 years..
Sexual, physical abuse, humiliation, and deprivation of food was common practice at these Australian Catholic Schools.
These children were brought to Australia by the Church for forced labor looking to populate with pure white stock.
The church has admitted and is making payment for this child immigrant scheme.
linwood
Well-Known Member
Magdalene Asylums
Were homes for "fallen women", most of them operated by different orders of the Roman Catholic Church. It has been estimated that around 30,000 women were admitted during the 150-year history of these institutions. The last Magdalene Asylum in Ireland closed on September 25, 1996.
http://www.phatnav.com/wiki/index.php?title=Magdalene_laundry
http://www.cruxnews.org/arts-magdalene.html
Were homes for "fallen women", most of them operated by different orders of the Roman Catholic Church. It has been estimated that around 30,000 women were admitted during the 150-year history of these institutions. The last Magdalene Asylum in Ireland closed on September 25, 1996.
http://www.phatnav.com/wiki/index.php?title=Magdalene_laundry
http://www.cruxnews.org/arts-magdalene.html
linwood
Well-Known Member
Funny..you get much of yours from the Bible.SOGFPP said:
I didn`t say Constantine did anything other than found the church
Oddly enough he was a pagan himself.
You cannot deny the Council of Nicea was not the bedrock for Catholic Canon.
Constantine called this and other councils that further defined what Catholicism was to become.
It is an attempt at a strawman to imply I said Constantine was a part of this persecution.
I find it interesting that niether you nor Trinity will touch on the content of my post but pick away at irrelevent parts of it.
Yes..it was the pagan Romans who first started persecuting Christians (I mentioned this) afyter that the Christians started persecuting other "different" Christians.
The Christians who were doing the persecuting went on to found the Catholic Church on their canon.
It was because of the Catholic canon that Luther "tacked his list up".
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chuck010342
Active Member
the same reasons I play chess so much
1. its really fun
2. I'm really good at it
1. its really fun
2. I'm really good at it
linwood
Well-Known Member
Church bans reading the Bible
The Council of Trent (1545-1564) placed the Bible on its list of prohibited books, and forbade any person to read the Bible without a license from a Roman Catholic bishop or inquisitor. The Council added these words: "That if any one shall dare to read or keep in his possession that book, without such a license, he shall not receive absolution till he has given it up to his ordinary."
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07721a.htm
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/nobible.htm
What possible reason would the Church have for banning the Bible?
Wanna guess?
The Council of Trent (1545-1564) placed the Bible on its list of prohibited books, and forbade any person to read the Bible without a license from a Roman Catholic bishop or inquisitor. The Council added these words: "That if any one shall dare to read or keep in his possession that book, without such a license, he shall not receive absolution till he has given it up to his ordinary."
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07721a.htm
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/nobible.htm
What possible reason would the Church have for banning the Bible?
Wanna guess?
Trinity
Member
linwood said:
This is a new one. Not the accusation but rather the details. Normally this accusation is said to have happened at the council of Valencia in 1229. Could you find a more credible source than http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/nobible.htm/?
Thanks.
linwood
Well-Known Member
I did, it`s right above the one you have a problem with.Trinity said:
here`s more.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/trent-booksrules.html
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03519d.htm
Maybe they all have their councils mixed up I dunno but again it`s not the point.
The point is the content, the content is the Bible was banned to the layman by the church.
Just one of the many ways the Church attempted to stop intellectualism.
Trinity
Member
linwood said:
During the Albigensian heresy, the problem was they were distorting bible passages to justify their sexual beliefs. A local council was held (in southern France) to help the bishops sort through the problem. After this was understood, the request for people to stop reading the bible was lifted.
Now at Trent, a similar problem existed. In the website you pointed me to, it showed the text from Trent. It says the bible should be limited to learned men. Not kept from laymen. This was response to sola scriptura, the idea that the bible should be taken completely literally. Earlier in this thread we went through this, and pointed to many protestant speeches which exemplify we learned men should be reading the bible.
For the record, the Bible is a recommended reading for Catholics.
linwood
Well-Known Member
Trinity said:
It was a problem for the Catholic Church, not for those who were reading the Bible.
The Catholic Church didn`t want anything but their own interpretation of the scripture to be voiced because they didn`t want to have to defend their canon which isn`t Gods word yet it`s law Catholics live by.
They kept Gods word from it`s intended people.
It is now of course just as divorce is NOW acceptable.
Just as NOW the Church accepts a heliocentric solar system.
Just as NOW a woman can serve at the alter.
Just as NOW] evolution can be harmonized with scripture.
Just as many many things the Catholic Church has had to change it`s stance on because it was so obviously wrong and simply unacceptable.
The point is the Catholic Church kept the scripture from it`s congregation and instead told the people their version of the story.
Much like the situation you earlier warned against in Islam.
Trinity
Member
What are you talking about, not God's Word yet. It was His the min, He said it.linwood said:
God's Word is that which lead back to Him, not that which only pleases our senses but also builds us spiritually. People were perverting the Scripture for only sexual and sensual things. The people (bishops) were responsible to the people in the area. They were God's people, they are God's people, and they were in the Church... and they were being abused by the distortion of the Scripture.
It is now of course just as divorce is NOW acceptable.
Just as NOW the Church accepts a heliocentric solar system.
Just as NOW a woman can serve at the alter.
Just as NOW] evolution can be harmonized with scripture.
Just as many many things the Catholic Church has had to change it`s stance on because it was so obviously wrong and simply unacceptable.
The point is the Catholic Church kept the scripture from it`s congregation and instead told the people their version of the story.
Much like the situation you earlier warned against in Islam.[/QUOTE]
Not Exactly. They did not change their position, they grew to understand the situation better. Everything that happens in the world is already in Scripture, when it is new to "our" knowledge, it is important to get a handel on it, before teaching the wrong message.
God's word is rich and heavy, it sometimes takes a while to pear through it.
chuck010342
Active Member
don't pray for me take a good look at your beliefs you should pray that God can forgive youTrinity said: