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Why should non muslims be forced to observe islamic rituals during Ramadan in Saudi?
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MARCELLO
Transitioning from male to female
Do you really know how terrible that you cannot drink water under that heat? I was there for 2 years and caught by the cops as I was drinking water and smoking on a rubbish land during ramadan. Sure,nothing happened to me ,I was just warned not to repeat it.
Yes, I do. Our fasts last over 24 hours, try that.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Poor thing.
I thought we we're having it hard
But yeah, for us it is no diet consumables of what so ever (there are exception due to need, of course), and no sexual intercourse.
Yes from sunset to sunset... i find an early meal before sunset and after on the next day,
helps to reduce the trauma ... and of course a quiet day
Tumah
Veteran Member
So as long as you live in SA, no one is ever allowed to eat in your home, because its always Ramadan?Hey, my family name is Ramadan
Wives here don't get named after their husbands' last names, so my mother is not a Ramadan. A life saver, eh?
MARCELLO
Transitioning from male to female
Before the germanic enforcement for every family to have surname, jews were also having traditional your name,father name,grandpa name rule.Wives here don't get named after their husbands' last names, so my mother is not a Ramadan. A life saver, eh?
Christian Ethiopians still do not have a family surname.
Just out of curiosity, what happened the last time you wore that lovely tank top and shorts outfit in Mea Shearim?
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
So because Mea Shearim is populated by Shtetl idolisers I have to go to Saudi Arabia and probably end up in prison for being well... you know.
A Google search on "Saudi Arabia Ramadan warning" results in links to articles fro 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014; I found nothing more recent but I spent almost no time looking.
The point is, there is no news here. Saudi Arabia is a theocracy with theocratic rules and they ask non-Muslims not to flaunt those rules. As one article from 2014 notes:
As for all the self-righteous and somewhst strained tu quoque efforts, they strike me as little more than rather silly islamophobic rants.
The point is, there is no news here. Saudi Arabia is a theocracy with theocratic rules and they ask non-Muslims not to flaunt those rules. As one article from 2014 notes:
The Interior Ministry has warned that it would deport non-Muslim expatriates found eating and drinking in public during Ramadan.
"Non-Muslim expatriates should respect the feelings of Muslims by not eating, drinking or smoking in public places such as streets and workplaces. They should not think that they are exempted from this because they are followers of other faiths," the ministry said in a statement.
The ministry reminded workers that their contracts stipulate that they should respect Islam's rituals and practices, including the month of fasting.
The ministry warned that it would deport those who break the law. It stressed that employers and companies should inform their foreign workers about the penalties for violating the sanctity of the holy month, the Saudi Press Agency reported.
- arab news
If one does not wish to respect those guidelines they should avoid Saudi Arabia, particularly during Ramadan."Non-Muslim expatriates should respect the feelings of Muslims by not eating, drinking or smoking in public places such as streets and workplaces. They should not think that they are exempted from this because they are followers of other faiths," the ministry said in a statement.
The ministry reminded workers that their contracts stipulate that they should respect Islam's rituals and practices, including the month of fasting.
The ministry warned that it would deport those who break the law. It stressed that employers and companies should inform their foreign workers about the penalties for violating the sanctity of the holy month, the Saudi Press Agency reported.
- arab news
As for all the self-righteous and somewhst strained tu quoque efforts, they strike me as little more than rather silly islamophobic rants.
The thing is, a Greek Christian expat working with us told me (I call him Neck), when I said it is okay for him to eat on front of me because he's not Muslim, told me that he would be disrespectful and inhumane if he does that. He added that the reason is because I'm fasting and probably hungry at that point that if he eats on front of me it could cause paint (he did not say offense) because I cannot eat while I watch him eat. He did not even mention offense, he considered and respected my position. I respect that man. It is unfortunate that some people don't care. At that point, it is like eating fancy food in front of a very poor person who cannot afford it.
Forced to work in Saudi Arabia? That's an invalid argument. It's a job, not slavery. Prove you're ("you" as in anyone, not you in person) a person of worth and self dignity/awareness then just leave the job if you're "forced" to work in Saudi Arabia and want to be a cry baby about their rules. There is a contract that if you sign on, it means you agree to what it says. Either follow it or resign. I'm speaking generally here, and it applies to all countries and to all people, including me.
I actually don't agree with that law. Non Muslims should be free to eat in public during day time in Ramadan here. But then again, it's the law.
Forced to work in Saudi Arabia? That's an invalid argument. It's a job, not slavery. Prove you're ("you" as in anyone, not you in person) a person of worth and self dignity/awareness then just leave the job if you're "forced" to work in Saudi Arabia and want to be a cry baby about their rules. There is a contract that if you sign on, it means you agree to what it says. Either follow it or resign. I'm speaking generally here, and it applies to all countries and to all people, including me.
I actually don't agree with that law. Non Muslims should be free to eat in public during day time in Ramadan here. But then again, it's the law.
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Exactly. It's about having a bit of empathy, and not wanting to cause suffering. Not about the law.
Let's not forget about the pay. I was offered a ridiculously high 6 figure income for a contract in SA. Had kids in school, so had to turn it down so not to disrupt the family but had I been single... I'd have gladly followed any such laws.
Yeah, abroad jobs pay is really tempting the vast majority of the time to even go to mud holes
I respect what you did there. There is much more to life than a better pay, and family is much more important than that.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Not even remotely worth it.
The danger that your employer keeps your passport and you end up in literal slavery are far too big.
And personally I'd have ethical Problems knowing that I'd support slavery by working there.
Actually, it is illegal for sponsors to hold passports away from their owners here. It's a criminal act. Also, the consulates and embassies are considered in the host country, as far as I know, part of the country of origin in both land and regulations that expats can visit for help anytime. Every single expat, as an example, working with me holds his passport at hand.
I'm not sure what you mean by slavery. Expats here get benefits and allowances locals don't get most of the time. Many get a living much better than that in their countries. Jobs have contracts that have to be read carefully. If the sponsor breaks anything on the contract, the expat is at full advantage.
I don't disagree with you that things suck over here. Please forgive me for my rudeness, but you again said false things about Saudi Arabia. This is not right to do even if it's about something awful that deserves bashing.
Please understand that as awful as it is here, there are good things too.
Anyway, this is for you:
You know I like you, don't you
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