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Was Jesus Married? It's either yes or no.

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Immortal but able to die always struck me as odd.
Maybe you're immortal as long as no one kills you. Like, your natural lifespan is immortal, but a bullet will still do the trick.

If Jesus was married, then His wife and kids woulda shown up in Acts or gotten a mention in the Epistles.
Not if the NT is being written while the Church is concerned about inherited diocese. They wanted control of the church and any kids of Jesus would've ruined that idea.

What's funnier to me is that "family values" is promoted as a thing while Jesus is frankly as anti-family as you can get.

Besides, according to a Pew Research Center study on how well people really know their Bible, "Jews and Mormons... [averaged] 20.5 and 20.3 correct answers, respectively. Protestants as a whole [averaged] 16 correct answers; Catholics as a whole, 14.7." Maybe Catholics are the ones who need to start studying the Bible. I'm available if you ever decide to do that and need a tutor.
And atheists and other non-Christians tend to do better than that. :)

Do none of you understand what Jesus being married and having children would have meant?
That he valued the same things you do?

Why did it take Jesus 4,000 years to put in an appearance the first time?.....and why have we been waiting another 2,000 years for him to come back?
Answer those questions and you will be able to answer yours.
The message we get, intentional or otherwise, is that we aren't important enough to do things the right way promptly.

What was the theme of Jesus' entire ministry?
50% the Golden Rule, 50% apocalypse-mongering

You need to know when this is to be fulfilled, and why it hasn't happened yet. Who is God with? Where are they? In heaven or on earth?
What if John was having a real vision, but was watching people watch the Left Behind movies? He wouldn't know what movies were, and they'd look real to him, so ...

God's law to Israel demonstrated that justice demands equivalency. This is seen in Exodus 21:23-25:
"But if a fatality does occur, then you must give life for life,  eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,  burn for burn, wound for wound, blow for blow. (see also Deuteronomy 19:21)
Is there a particular reason many Christians don't listen to Jesus?

There is not a single reference to Jesus as a married man on earth.
But there are strong reasons as to why that is, though. Mary certainly wasn't popular amongst the male apostles who thought they deserved all of Jesus' free time.

His mission did not include a wife or children as he was not sent to find a literal wife, he was sent to give his life for mankind and to choose a heavenly "bride".
He didn't have to eat or go to the bathroom either. Why bother growing up at all? Why not just be born stillborn? Same death, no time wasted.

But you are saying that in actuality she wasn't, right?
If I recall, it was a pope who conflated the two characters as part of a smear campaign against Mary M.

No links? I figured. You blow a lot of hot air, you know that?
Reading material

Why would you try to humanize Jesus.
Psst ... he was human ... pass it on...

On what basis can you make such a claim? How does Paul invent Jesus' mission when Jesus himself declared it? (Matthew 20:28)
The gospels are usually dated after Paul, so yeah, it can be said that Paul invented Christianity.

His ACTUAL followers were Jews calling themselves "the Way".

Yep, I believe that the Bible is the word of God and I don't think that the being who authored it (with the power to create the universe) allows men to tamper with his message.
Have you ever read histories of the bible?

Besides, you only believe that because some HUMANS told you that.

and then I go to Strongs
Is Strongs a divine secretary?

And most Bible translation published by Christendom's scholars are "poor" translations in many cases. Bias towards their own doctrines has them rendering some words in ways that support the lies that were introduced centuries ago when the church fell into apostasy. This was foretold by Jesus and the apostles, so its no surprise.
And you don't see how this affects you?

I guess he was no groom at that wedding anyway.
Yeah, don't you know that if Jesus wasn't the groom at THAT particular wedding, that means he NEVER got married?

When Mary approached her son about the matter, perhaps expecting him to use his God-given power, he gently reproved her.
His tone was more of a spoiled brat that didn't care about his mom's opinions. When was he ever shown to be loving towards her?

As the Christ or anointed One, he was not under her authority.
But I thought he was supposed to teach us the Golden Rule and stuff, right? Why should he have to be TOLD to be nice for others?
The only known justification for sex is for purpose of children (If based on necessity-under population).
It is also for social bonding and, in violent cases, domination.
remember what original sin is
What does it have to do with lust? Lust for fruit? Eve wasn't "born" yet when the rule about the trees was made and even her first thought after the lizard talks to her is "fruit .... yum". There was no rational discourse about the merits of eating it or anything. It was a child taking the bait.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
"In the kingdom of heaven, they neither marry, nor are given in marrage".

Mormons would beg to differ there.
Actually, we wouldn't. We believe that scripture, too. You just have to look at what it's actually saying. It just says that no one will "marry" or be "given in marriage." Marriages that took place here on earth can be eternal in nature. The scripture doesn't say anything to the contrary.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Maybe you're immortal as long as no one kills you. Like, your natural lifespan is immortal, but a bullet will still do the trick.

Do you understand the difference between everlasting life and immortality? There is a BIG difference. They are not the same.

That he valued the same things you do?

No. That he would have negated the whole reason for his mission. He was sinless (not a son of Adam) and could have produced a family of offspring that had a completely different set of genetics.

The message we get, intentional or otherwise, is that we aren't important enough to do things the right way promptly.

No. It demonstrates that God does not operate in earth time. He is not bound by the time taken for the earth to rotate or to make its journey around the sun.
'A thousand years to us is like a day' to God. (2 Pet 3:8) This is why it is apparently taking so long (in our estimations) for God to carry out his purpose. What is time to an eternal being?

50% the Golden Rule, 50% apocalypse-mongering

The theme of Jesus entire ministry was the "coming" of the kingdom of God, bringing about the doing of God's will "on earth as it is in heaven". Look around...it hasn't happened yet.

Is there a particular reason many Christians don't listen to Jesus?

Yes. Its called apostasy. It was foretold by Jesus and his apostles, and it happened just as they said. Christendom was born and followed the exact same path as Judaism.
"Christians" follow Christ, but the counterfeit Christians that Jesus spoke about were going to emulate the Pharisees and defer to the "traditions of men". (Matt 15:7-9)

But there are strong reasons as to why that is, though. Mary certainly wasn't popular amongst the male apostles who thought they deserved all of Jesus' free time.

There are several "Marys'" in the Bible. Some of them get mixed up. Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute and she was never married to Jesus. His "bride" was not a human woman, but a heavenly arrangement made up of those who were faithful to him like a good wife. (Rev 21:2)

He didn't have to eat or go to the bathroom either. Why bother growing up at all? Why not just be born stillborn? Same death, no time wasted.

Are you serious? o_O This comment shows no understanding of the ransom or the whole reason behind God's permission of the suffering of his son or of humanity in general. There are serious issues that needed to be addressed so that the eternal purpose of God in creating the material universe and all that is in it, could continue without interference from any rebels on into eternity. The issue was that of God's Universal Sovereignty.

[/quote]The gospels are usually dated after Paul, so yeah, it can be said that Paul invented Christianity.[/quote]

No way that Paul invented Christianity. He was accepted as an apostle by the 12, although he was never reckoned among them. When Judas betrayed Jesus, he was not replaced by Paul. Paul was chosen as "an apostle to the nations", which meant that his education and skills were put to good use among the educated Greeks and Romans. His Roman citizenship was also used to further his mission as a preacher and teacher. Jesus chose him for a work that took him to many places and before a wider audience than the 12.

His ACTUAL followers were Jews calling themselves "the Way".

Sorry, but those belonging to "The Way" were the ones he persecuted as Saul of Tarsus. (Acts 9:4, 5; 22:4, 7, 8; 26:11, 14, 15; 1Cor 15:9; Gal 1:13, 23; Phil 3:6)
They were actually suspicious of him because of his former course.

Have you ever read histories of the bible?

Besides, you only believe that because some HUMANS told you that.

Doesn't everyone? Who has a religious belief that was not proposed by someone else?

Is Strongs a divine secretary?

Strongs allows us to check and see if a verse or word has been translated according to the original meanings of the words used in a language we don't understand.
I like to check things out for myself. Is that a bad thing?

And you don't see how this affects you?

I don't believe that God leaves sincere truth seekers in the dark. (John 6:44) I believe that those who display a humble attitude and are actually prepared to alter their course and way of thinking to show submission to the Creator, will be granted citizenship in his kingdom. Like all Monarchs, Jehovah has requirements for those who will inhabit his earth. As Jesus said, it will be "the meek" who will "inherit the earth"....not the haughty or the ones who want God to do things their way. He will never alter his ways for us, but we must alter our course to suit him. There is no point in arguing because our continued existence depends on us submitting to his sovereignty.


Yeah, don't you know that if Jesus wasn't the groom at THAT particular wedding, that means he NEVER got married?

If you know what the Bible teaches, (and we get all our information from the Bible) then you would understand why Jesus could never take a literal wife.


His tone was more of a spoiled brat that didn't care about his mom's opinions. When was he ever shown to be loving towards her?

Are you serious? Disrespect for one's mother was against the Mosaic law. The figure of speech Jesus used, as translated into English, was probably nothing like what the expression meant in Greek or Hebrew. I used to call on a Chinese couple and often thought that they were arguing, only to discover that it was a normal conversation in Chinese that sounded like an argument because of the normal tone of voice they used in their language. We can misread things in our ignorance.
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
In how many weddings have you been where the guests gave orders to the caterers or the waiters? Because I’ve never seen this happening. The only people that are entitle to give orders besides the bride and groom, are the mothers and fathers of the wedded couple. Maybe the siblings too, but that’s it.



“Gently”? You call this “gently”:

Woman, what have I to do with thee?

Because this is really offensive in my point of view. Who talks to his mother like that?! :confused:



Why? What did she think he can do about it?

Do not forget that this (the turning of water into wine) was his first miracle. He never before shown any such powers. How did Mary know that he could do something like that?



Shown to whom? No one noticed the miracle exempt the servants, remember?

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Culture and customs in Bible times were quite different from today. For example, most weddings today are not catered by household servants. Jesus mother Mary bore Jesus when she was a virgin. She was told he would rule forever. She surely knew her Son was not an ordinary man, IMO. As to no one noticing the miracle, Jesus disciples certainly did. (John 2:11) Further, it is unlikely the house servants who witnessed this miracle would not speak of it to others.
Regarding Jesus reply to his mother, this quote explains:
"Regarding the term “woman,” Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words notes: “Used in addressing a woman, it is a term not of reproof or severity, but of endearment or respect.” Other sources agree with this. For example, The Anchor Bible says: “This is not a rebuke, nor an impolite term, nor an indication of a lack of affection . . . It was Jesus’ normal, polite way of addressing women.” The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology explains that the word “is used as an address with no irreverent secondary meaning.” And Gerhard Kittel’s Theological Dictionary of the New Testament says that such usage “is in no way disrespectful or derogatory.” Thus, we should not conclude that Jesus was being rude or unkind to his mother in addressing her by the term “woman.”—Matthew 15:28; Luke 13:12; John 4:21; 19:26; 20:13, 15." (w06 12/1 p.30)
 

Nefelie

Member
Culture and customs in Bible times were quite different from today. For example, most weddings today are not catered by household servants.

And on Biblical times it was very very rare to even have servants. What’s your point?

The fact remains that a couple of guests gave orders to house servants. That’s weird in any time.

Jesus mother Mary bore Jesus when she was a virgin. She was told he would rule forever. She surely knew her Son was not an ordinary man, IMO.

It is very weird that this same woman, that bore her son as a virgin and was told that he was no ordinary man, was so surprised to find him teaching at the Temple [Lk 2:39-52].

Regarding Jesus reply to his mother, this quote explains:…

The problem is not only the “woman” part, but also -and mostly- the: “what have I to do with thee?” You seriously do not consider this disrespectful? A son implying that he has nothing to do with his own mother?? :confused:

Not to mention the very cryptic: “mine hour is not yet come”… what is that anyway?

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