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Jesus is God.

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
"Jehovah" is a mispronounciation from the Hebrew as there is no "J" sound in Hebrew.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Of course he did, are you kidding me? His God and Father Jehovah was all he talked about as well as the Kingdom of God and the blessings it will bring to those who are loyal to God. Um one of the scriptures I can remember off the top of my head is Luke 4:8 when Jesus said: "It is written, 'It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service." That's what he told Satan when he was being tempted in the wilderness by the devil. This was right after Jesus got baptized and dedicated his life to Jehovah. Please see also Matthew 4:10.

Never did Jesus try to claim worship from Almighty God like Satan did, and he never tried to make himself equal to God in anyway. I answered your question, now please can you answer mine. Are there any scriptures in any bible translation that say Jesus is Almighty God?
Your are simply wrong:
Luke 4:8
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, It is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
http://www.religiousforums.com/bible/luke/4:8/


Matthew 4:10
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
http://www.religiousforums.com/bible/matthew/4:10/

Jehovah is not mentioned in the verses, sorry.
Regards
 
Luke 4:8 - kai apokritheis ho ieesous eipen autw gegraptai kurion ton theon sou proskuneeseis kai autw monw latreuseis

Where does he say Jehovah?

And no, the bible does not say Jesus is Almighty God. Not in those words anyway.
Is that greek? Thought we were having a discussion in English here. I'll need a translator. You did acknowledge the fact that Jesus is NEVER referred to as God Almighty anywhere in the bible.
"Jehovah" is a mispronounciation from the Hebrew as there is no "J" sound in Hebrew.
Again the language thing... Almighty Gods name is Yahweh in Hebrew. Jesus name was Yeshua in Hebrew and he was known as the "Messiah" instead of Christ. I never see anyone hesitate to pronounce Jesus' name though, I wonder why.
 
Your are simply wrong:
Luke 4:8
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, It is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
http://www.religiousforums.com/bible/luke/4:8/

Matthew 4:10
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
http://www.religiousforums.com/bible/matthew/4:10/

Jehovah is not mentioned in the verses, sorry.
Regards
May I ask which bible that is you are reading? Because in mine it clearly says Jehovah instead of Lord.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Again the language thing... Almighty Gods name is Yahweh in Hebrew. Jesus name was Yeshua in Hebrew and he was known as the "Messiah" instead of Christ. I never see anyone hesitate to pronounce Jesus' name though, I wonder why.
You can't keep insisting it's "Jehovah" when it isn't correct, and then you come back with the above? So, let me recommend you take a position and stick to it instead of vacillating by blaming others for doing what you are doing above.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Again the language thing... Almighty Gods name is Yahweh in Hebrew. Jesus name was Yeshua in Hebrew and he was known as the "Messiah" instead of Christ. I never see anyone hesitate to pronounce Jesus' name though, I wonder why.
Please quote from a lexicon in support of your claim that "Almighty Gods name is Yahweh in Hebrew".
I get the following:
Yahweh
1869, hypothetical reconstruction of the tetragrammaton YHWH (see Jehovah), based on the assumption that the tetragrammaton is the imperfective of Hebrew verb hawah, earlier form of hayah "was," in the sense of "the one who is, the existing."
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=yahweh

Jehovah
1530, Tyndale's transliteration of Hebrew Tetragrammaton YHWH using vowel points of Adhonai "my lord" (see Yahweh). Used for YHWH (the full name being too sacred for utterance) in four places in the Old Testament in the KJV where the usual translation the lord would have been inconvenient; taken as the principal and personal name of God.

The vowel substitution was originally made by the Masoretes as a direction to substitute Adhonai for "the ineffable name." European students of Hebrew took this literally, which yielded Latin JeHoVa (first attested in writings of Galatinus, confessor to Leo X, 1516). Jehovah's Witnesses "member of Watchtower Bible and Tract Society" first attested 1933; the organization founded c. 1879 by Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916); the name from Isa. xliii:10.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Jehovah&allowed_in_frame=0
I don't think the above supports you in the least.
Please don't be fanciful.
Regards
 
Please quote from a lexicon in support of your claim that "Almighty Gods name is Yahweh in Hebrew".
I get the following:
Yahweh
1869, hypothetical reconstruction of the tetragrammaton YHWH (see Jehovah), based on the assumption that the tetragrammaton is the imperfective of Hebrew verb hawah, earlier form of hayah "was," in the sense of "the one who is, the existing."
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=yahweh

Jehovah
1530, Tyndale's transliteration of Hebrew Tetragrammaton YHWH using vowel points of Adhonai "my lord" (see Yahweh). Used for YHWH (the full name being too sacred for utterance) in four places in the Old Testament in the KJV where the usual translation the lord would have been inconvenient; taken as the principal and personal name of God.

The vowel substitution was originally made by the Masoretes as a direction to substitute Adhonai for "the ineffable name." European students of Hebrew took this literally, which yielded Latin JeHoVa (first attested in writings of Galatinus, confessor to Leo X, 1516). Jehovah's Witnesses "member of Watchtower Bible and Tract Society" first attested 1933; the organization founded c. 1879 by Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916); the name from Isa. xliii:10.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Jehovah&allowed_in_frame=0
I don't think the above supports you in the least.
Please don't be fanciful.
Regards
so how would you pronounce God's name "YHWH"? It certainly isn't Jesus or just "God" or "Lord"
 
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081214052619AApJRtK


For all those who pretend they didn't know that God's name was taken out of many bible translations please read this.
Also, if you can, don'the just read the link but try to get your hands on a physical copy of these butchered bibles and see for yourself right in the preface. I have and that was all I needed to see. I'm done trying to prove my point. like the bible says if you are truly seeking God you'll put up the effort it takes to find the TRUTH and those seeking him out of an honest heart are the ones who will find him. Hebrews 11:6
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
paarsurrey said:
Please quote from a lexicon in support of your claim that "Almighty Gods name is Yahweh in Hebrew".
I get the following:
Yahweh
1869, hypothetical reconstruction of the tetragrammaton YHWH (see Jehovah), based on the assumption that the tetragrammaton is the imperfective of Hebrew verb hawah, earlier form of hayah "was," in the sense of "the one who is, the existing."
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=yahweh

Jehovah
1530, Tyndale's transliteration of Hebrew Tetragrammaton YHWH using vowel points of Adhonai "my lord" (see Yahweh). Used for YHWH (the full name being too sacred for utterance) in four places in the Old Testament in the KJV where the usual translation the lord would have been inconvenient; taken as the principal and personal name of God.

The vowel substitution was originally made by the Masoretes as a direction to substitute Adhonai for "the ineffable name." European students of Hebrew took this literally, which yielded Latin JeHoVa (first attested in writings of Galatinus, confessor to Leo X, 1516). Jehovah's Witnesses "member of Watchtower Bible and Tract Society" first attested 1933; the organization founded c. 1879 by Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916); the name from Isa. xliii:10.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Jehovah&allowed_in_frame=0
I don't think the above supports you in the least.
Please don't be fanciful.

so how would you pronounce God's name "YHWH"? It certainly isn't Jesus or just "God" or "Lord"
YHWH is not written in the NT Gospels. It is not written even in the Jewish Torah. Is it? If, yes, please quote from it.
Regards
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081214052619AApJRtK


For all those who pretend they didn't know that God's name was taken out of many bible translations please read this.
Also, if you can, don'the just read the link but try to get your hands on a physical copy of these butchered bibles and see for yourself right in the preface. I have and that was all I needed to see. I'm done trying to prove my point. like the bible says if you are truly seeking God you'll put up the effort it takes to find the TRUTH and those seeking him out of an honest heart are the ones who will find him. Hebrews 11:6

If you speak to a scholar in the hebrew language, he would say that YHWH comes from the word Havah. It means one who exists or literally, he exists. It is not a name.

Many people believe that God is called Yah. As in Halleluyah. Hallel=Praise (Emphatic) and yah=God. Praise God. And they chant it.
Why dont they also chant Mahallalel? Again Hallah=Praise and el=God.

Thats because you have inherited a Dogma and you will make any effort to keep it and protect it. Do you even know? If you didnt should not you question yourself "Why didnt I know"? Why didnt I explore further?

Why would God require a name? Logically speaking?

If there is on man on earth, only one man, why would he require a name. When you say man, you will know who it is. Same way, there one God, one divinity, one deity. He does not require a name.

Arent you curious why the Tetragrammaton is not cited at all in the New Testament? If Yahweh or Jehowah is his personal name, why is it not cited in the NT? But if you read the NWT of the bible you will see the word Jehovah everywhere.

If YHWH is his personal name it should be cited everywhere. If YHWH inspired the writers, why didnt some of them ever use it in their writings?

Why does it matter if God has a name? If God is one, adonai elohainu adonay ekhad, wouldnt he know when you simply say God or lord? Oh, he does not get confused. He pretty much will know what you mean. If he doesnt, he is not almighty.

Cheers.
 
paarsurrey said:
Please quote from a lexicon in support of your claim that "Almighty Gods name is Yahweh in Hebrew".
I get the following:
Yahweh
1869, hypothetical reconstruction of the tetragrammaton YHWH (see Jehovah), based on the assumption that the tetragrammaton is the imperfective of Hebrew verb hawah, earlier form of hayah "was," in the sense of "the one who is, the existing."
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=yahweh

Jehovah
1530, Tyndale's transliteration of Hebrew Tetragrammaton YHWH using vowel points of Adhonai "my lord" (see Yahweh). Used for YHWH (the full name being too sacred for utterance) in four places in the Old Testament in the KJV where the usual translation the lord would have been inconvenient; taken as the principal and personal name of God.

The vowel substitution was originally made by the Masoretes as a direction to substitute Adhonai for "the ineffable name." European students of Hebrew took this literally, which yielded Latin JeHoVa (first attested in writings of Galatinus, confessor to Leo X, 1516). Jehovah's Witnesses "member of Watchtower Bible and Tract Society" first attested 1933; the organization founded c. 1879 by Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916); the name from Isa. xliii:10.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Jehovah&allowed_in_frame=0
I don't think the above supports you in the least.
Please don't be fanciful.


YHWH is not written in the NT Gospels. It is not written even in the Jewish Torah. Is it? If, yes, please quote from it.
Regards
again, how would you pronounce God's name?
 

Brian Schuh

Well-Known Member
again, how would you pronounce God's name?
The New Testament says there is only one name by which we are saved. There never was a man in history named Jesus. There are many named Jesus, but it is pronounced different. For a long time, most didn't know his name was Yeshua, and most still don't know the "a" is silent. I just can't take a religion seriously that doesn't even know the name of their god and then claims they are saved by that name.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
The New Testament says there is only one name by which we are saved. There never was a man in history named Jesus. There are many named Jesus, but it is pronounced different. For a long time, most didn't know his name was Yeshua, and most still don't know the "a" is silent. I just can't take a religion seriously that doesn't even know the name of their god and then claims they are saved by that name.

In the Bible, Jesus is only cited as Iesous/Iesau. Similar to the Arabic Isa.
 
The New Testament says there is only one name by which we are saved. There never was a man in history named Jesus. There are many named Jesus, but it is pronounced different. For a long time, most didn't know his name was Yeshua, and most still don't know the "a" is silent. I just can't take a religion seriously that doesn't even know the name of their god and then claims they are saved by that name.
one question for you, where in the bible (OT or NT) does it say that Jesus is Almighty God? Where in the bible does it say Jesus is the Most high? Give me the scriptures, I really want to see.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
Also, let me just add that Jesus cannot be God because yet refers to "the Father" numerous times, and logically "the Father" cannot be "the Son". When dealing with a question about the "end of times", he says that only "the Father" knows for sure, not he. Also, if one believes that Jesus is "the final sacrifice", how can God be sacrificed to God?
I disagree. The life I have is exactly the same life that my mother and father had. The sperm that entered my mother's egg never died. The egg my father fertilized never died. This new body of mine is alive. But the life in this new body of mine is exactly the same life that was in my mother and my father before me. Do you not see that I am in the father and the father is in me? We are one life, occupying many bodies.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
I disagree. The life I have is exactly the same life that my mother and father had. The sperm that entered my mother's egg never died. The egg my father fertilized never died. This new body of mine is alive. But the life in this new body of mine is exactly the same life that was in my mother and my father before me. Do you not see that I am in the father and the father is in me? We are one life, occupying many bodies.

But Jesus was not born of intercourse. He was not sired. No sperm entered anyones egg.

God does say though that "Gods Sperma" or Gods seed will remain in those who keep his commandments, basically. Those who are born of GOd will not continue to sin, and Gods seed will remain in them. (1 John 3:7-10)
 
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