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Thoughts on Nazarene Judaism?

Have you ever heard of the Nazarene sect of Judaism?


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Nazarene National

Nazarene Jew
Never heard of it, could some details be shared with people who didn't? :D
Of course! Nazarene Judaism was the original faith of Yeshua's disciples. Today it would reflect modern elements of Messianic Judaism. Here is an excerpt on them.

"They use not only the New Testament but the Old Testament as
well,: as the Jews do. For unlike the previous sectarians, they do not
repudiate the legislation, the prophets, and the books Jews call
”Writings.” They have no different ideas, but confess everything exactly as the Law proclaims it and in the Jewish fashion-except for their belief in Christ, if you please! For they acknowledge both the resurrection of the dead and the divine creation of all things , and declare that God is one, and that his Son is Jesus Christ.They are trained to a nicety in Hebrew. For among them the entire Law, the prophets, and the so-called Writings-I mean the poetic books, Kings, Chronicles, Esther and all the rest-are read in Hebrew, as they surely are by Jews. They are different from Jews, and different from Christians, only in the following. They disagree with Jews because they have come to faith in Christ; but since they are still fettered by the Law-circumcision, the Sabbath, and the rest they are not in accord with Christians."


-Epiphanius; Panarion 29
 

Raahim

مكتوب
Of course! Nazarene Judaism was the original faith of Yeshua's disciples. Today it would reflect modern elements of Messianic Judaism. Here is an excerpt on them.

"They use not only the New Testament but the Old Testament as
well,: as the Jews do. For unlike the previous sectarians, they do not
repudiate the legislation, the prophets, and the books Jews call
”Writings.” They have no different ideas, but confess everything exactly as the Law proclaims it and in the Jewish fashion-except for their belief in Christ, if you please! For they acknowledge both the resurrection of the dead and the divine creation of all things , and declare that God is one, and that his Son is Jesus Christ.They are trained to a nicety in Hebrew. For among them the entire Law, the prophets, and the so-called Writings-I mean the poetic books, Kings, Chronicles, Esther and all the rest-are read in Hebrew, as they surely are by Jews. They are different from Jews, and different from Christians, only in the following. They disagree with Jews because they have come to faith in Christ; but since they are still fettered by the Law-circumcision, the Sabbath, and the rest they are not in accord with Christians."


-Epiphanius; Panarion 29

So they are like practising Jews with Christian faith? :eek: Interesting, thanks for clearing that out for me. :D
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Basically they sound similar to the Ebionites and other non-antinomians. Do they accept the Trinitarian doctrine?
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Of course! Nazarene Judaism was the original faith of Yeshua's disciples. Today it would reflect modern elements of Messianic Judaism. Here is an excerpt on them.

"They use not only the New Testament but the Old Testament as
well,: as the Jews do. For unlike the previous sectarians, they do not
repudiate the legislation, the prophets, and the books Jews call
”Writings.” They have no different ideas, but confess everything exactly as the Law proclaims it and in the Jewish fashion-except for their belief in Christ, if you please! For they acknowledge both the resurrection of the dead and the divine creation of all things , and declare that God is one, and that his Son is Jesus Christ.They are trained to a nicety in Hebrew. For among them the entire Law, the prophets, and the so-called Writings-I mean the poetic books, Kings, Chronicles, Esther and all the rest-are read in Hebrew, as they surely are by Jews. They are different from Jews, and different from Christians, only in the following. They disagree with Jews because they have come to faith in Christ; but since they are still fettered by the Law-circumcision, the Sabbath, and the rest they are not in accord with Christians."


-Epiphanius; Panarion 29

I believe you have described one of two Messianic movements of the 1st century. Everything was pretty lovely until you used a description that marked this sect as what are called "Judaizers", that is, people who said circumcision is salvific in addition to the grace of God.

Of course, this sets aside the grace of God as Ha Shem can save female Jews and Gentiles and not just circumcised males.

In response, Rabbi Sh'aul of blessed memory wrote:

9 Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How then was it accounted? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of the faith which our father Abraham had while still uncircumcised.
 

roberto

Active Member
Anyone have any thoughts of thew 1st century movement of the Nazarenes?

"Have you ever heard of the Nazarene sect of Judaism?"

I believe Juda-ISM uses the Talmud as their tradition and Yeshua was constantly in opposition to their traditions.

Mat 15:6 then he is rid of his duty to honor his father or mother.' Thus by your tradition you make null and void the word of God!

Mar 7:8 "You depart from God's command and hold onto human tradition. Indeed,

Mar 7:13 Thus, with your tradition which you had handed down to you, you nullify the Word of God! And you do other things like this.

Col 2:8 Watch out, so that no one will take you captive by means of philosophy and empty deceit, following human tradition which accords with the elemental spirits of the world but does not accord with the Messiah.
 
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