Sikh ok without safety helmet?

Leo613 · Apr 17, 2016

How can the government allow Sikhs to ride a scooter without helmet and ignore basic health and safety precautions and put them at high risk of danger?

Wirey · Apr 17, 2016

The same way they can allow idiots who think a magic wizard will heal diseases if you pray hard enough have children. If your version of the Invisible Magic Cloud Man wants you dead in an accident, so do the rest of us.

David1967 · Apr 17, 2016

I don't know. Do you know the reason given?

Smart_Guy · Apr 18, 2016

Let's see... one is free to risk their own safety as long as it does not hurt the safety of bystanders?

Dunno really. But anyway, laws are laws. If the law has a clause for it, then so be it. It would be part of law too, right? It also does not hurt the bystanders, so I guess it's okay.

Or maybe turbans protect the head well enough to replace helmets?

Leo613 · Apr 18, 2016

Smart_Guy said:
Let's see... one is free to risk their own safety as long as it does not hurt the safety of bystanders?

Dunno really. But anyway, laws are laws. If the law has a clause for it, then so be it. It would be part of law too, right? It also does not hurt the bystanders, so I guess it's okay.

Or maybe turbans protect the head well enough to replace helmets?

If so no one needs to wear helmet cause its for themselves?

Aupmanyav · Apr 18, 2016

Smart_Guy said:
Or maybe turbans protect the head well enough to replace helmets?

They don't. Same with allowing women not to wear helmets. This is known as appeasement. It happens very frequently in India, a compulsion of democracy and votes. Allowing reservations (affirmative action) to the Jats, Gujars, Ahirs, Meenas, Nagas, etc. irrespective of their financial status; or allowing triple talaq, four marriages, and no alimony liability for Muslims. The question whether it is right or wrong is never considered.

Jedster · Apr 18, 2016

Leo613 said:
How can the government allow Sikhs to ride a scooter without helmet and ignore basic health and safety precautions and put them at high risk of danger?

They obviously don't need to wear a helmet:

See link for complete discussion http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=892895

Smart_Guy · Apr 18, 2016

Leo613 said:
If so no one needs to wear helmet cause its for themselves?

Nope. As I implied in my last post's second line, there could be Sikh religious specific law for it. I think such exceptions do make sense as long as it only concerns the safety of the Sikh who chooses to.

Smart_Guy · Apr 18, 2016

Aupmanyav said:
They don't. Same with allowing women not to wear helmets. This is known as appeasement. It happens very frequently in India, a compulsion of democracy and votes. Allowing reservations (affirmative action) to the Jats, Gujars, Ahirs, Meenas, Nagas, etc. irrespective of their financial status; or allowing triple talaq, four marriages, and no alimony liability for Muslims. The question whether it is right or wrong is never considered.

Sorry, I meant that last line as a joke. Turns out to be a bad one, I guess.

Aupmanyav · Apr 18, 2016

No, it is still a joke on Indian democracy. The joke is on us. However, Sikh aviators or soldiers do wear helmets. In that case they do not wear a turban but its smaller version, Patka. That saves them their religious sensibilities. One of our most popular sikh personalities, Harbhajan Singh, the cricketer wearing a patka, English cricketer, Monty Panesar wearing a patka,

Papoon · Apr 18, 2016

Smart_Guy said:
Nope. As I implied in my last post's second line, there could be Sikh religious specific law for it. I think such exceptions do make sense as long as it only concerns the safety of the Sikh who chooses to.

Which of course it doesn't. A Sikh badly injured as a result of not wearing a helmet will require emergency medical treatment, tying up doctors and surgeons who could be looking after someone else. For example.

Smart_Guy · Apr 18, 2016

Papoon said:
Which of course it doesn't. A Sikh badly injured as a result of not wearing a helmet will require emergency medical treatment, tying up doctors and surgeons who could be looking after someone else. For example.

Touche!

Now, tell that to the government

GURSIKH · Apr 19, 2016

Leo613 said:
How can the government allow Sikhs to ride a scooter without helmet and ignore basic health and safety precautions and put them at high risk of danger?

The exemption of helmets for Sikhs might be due to Sir Winston Churchill s following speech in British Parliament and Mr Aupmany it has nothing to do with appeasement for Sikh votes

"....British people are highly indebted and obliged to Sikhs for a long time. I know that within this century we needed their help twice and they did help us very well. As a result of their timely help, we are today able to live with honour, dignity, and independence. In the war, they fought and died for us, wearing the turbans. At that time we were not adamant that they should wear safety helmets because we knew that they are not going to wear them anyways and we would be deprived of their help. At that time due to our miserable and poor situation, we did not force it on them to wear safety helmets, why should we force it now? Rather, we should now respect their traditions and by granting this legitimate concession, win their applaud."

Ralph Murphy · Apr 19, 2016

They will either Sikh or swim.......he he.....

Aquitaine · Apr 19, 2016

Smart_Guy said:
Nope. As I implied in my last post's second line, there could be Sikh religious specific law for it. I think such exceptions do make sense as long as it only concerns the safety of the Sikh who chooses to.

But why not? If the government is going to create exemptions based on lifestyle choices (religion), why not create the same exemption for "personal preference"?

Aquitaine · Apr 19, 2016

Ralph Murphy said:
They will either Sikh or swim.......he he.....

Sikh joke bro!

Shad · Apr 19, 2016

Leo613 said:
How can the government allow Sikhs to ride a scooter without helmet and ignore basic health and safety precautions and put them at high risk of danger?

Governments tend to treat their population as functional adults until shown otherwise. A flawed axiom.

Smart_Guy · Apr 20, 2016

Aquitaine said:
But why not? If the government is going to create exemptions based on lifestyle choices (religion), why not create the same exemption for "personal preference"?

Maybe there are some already?

Not sure about other countries, but where I live, fastening seat built while driving is enforced, but if the driver has a surgery in his stomach, for example, and does not fasten it, the officer lets them take responsibility and pass without a ticket and if proof is given. This is one exception by the law.

Valjean · Apr 20, 2016

Is there anything in the Guru Granth Sahib that prohibits fiberglass or thermoplastic turbans, or styrofoam turban liners?
Could cotton just be wound around a normal helmet?

Aquitaine · Apr 20, 2016

Smart_Guy said:
Maybe there are some already?

Not sure about other countries, but where I live, fastening seat built while driving is enforced, but if the driver has a surgery in his stomach, for example, and does not fasten it, the officer lets them take responsibility and pass without a ticket and if proof is given. This is one exception by the law.

True.
I can understand medical exemptions, just not religious ones.

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