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Why exactly do Jehovah's Witnesses evangelize?

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
This is hilarious....we are so sinister.....better watch out that we don't have a "performance card" written out for you.....heaven knows what we would put on it.....though "gullible" comes to mind....

You must have forgotten, or don't know that I have studied with a JW for a year and a half. I know more about your org than you give me credit for! I can with 100% assurance say, this man has been a JW for 30 years, since 1986 and he has very limited knowledge of the Bible. He will consult the WT literature "before" he will the Bible.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Is this something which JW still consider "food at the proper time"?
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savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I think it is not right that JWs will say that what Zion's Watchtower ever wrote has nothing to do with what they believe because the document obviously came from an apostate website. Is it a real Watchtower article? Was it written at a time when JWs were going to the gb table to eat, the one they believe is the only right table? Is it still true that Africans need God to tell them that they are not beasts?

I suppose it is not true that Caucasians are still the superior race. Is it?
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
So you're denying that JW's fill out, or is kept track of by elders, publisher cards to keep track of their door-to-door time, books and magazines they hand out? You're denying that there are congregation's publisher cards that have the publishers name, address, phone, date immersed, anointed or "other sheep" on it? (whether paper or electronic)

I love the way you make everything sound so sinister. Do companies not keep a record of who is employed by them? Do they not reward those whose conduct is exemplary?
The elders need to know who is a member of their congregation. We are split up into "territories" and our address determines which congregation we should serve in. It's called being organized. The elders are under obligation to know the members of their flock. Are you saying that when an elder needs to visit a sick or grieving member, that they first need to ask where they live?

Do companies keep records of the names addresses and telephone numbers of their employees? Is this an invasion of their privacy or an attempt to discriminate against them?

If a company finds out that one of their employees has a history of theft or other dishonest practices, would they not keep an eye on such a one or even terminate their employment if they found that their previous conduct was still in evidence?
Our brothers keep records because Jehovah is a record keeper. The Bible itself is a record of the activities of his people....both good and bad. Only apostates would turn that into something to sinister. We actually care about keeping our congregations spiritually and morally clean.....because Jehovah does.

I apologize

No you don't. You have an obsession with our GB like others here.....no apology will work when it comes time to account to Jehovah for our conduct. We will all stand before the same judge.

I think I used the "wrong" word, that's why you were confused. I used "performance", when I should have used, "certification". These records are a JW's certification. If 2 publishers apply for a min. svt. position, how are they chosen? Do you think a publisher that only logs 5 hours a month will be chosen over one that logs 40 hours a month?

Again this is a very twisted in the interpretation that has obviously come from disgruntled "ex's". If this is the way they think, we are actually glad to be rid of them. They are petty minded and selfish....Jehovah has no use for people like that. He values loyalty and self sacrifice...they are devoid of both. They have allowed an embittered spirit to contaminate their thinking. That is their choice.

There is no "performance" that will win any 'Brownie points' with Jehovah. He is not about "performance" or "certification"...he is about loyal service and "works" that prove a person's faith. (James 2:18-20) Being "qualified" for a position of service is exactly what the Bible teaches.(1 Tim 3:1-13)

Because we have no positions that offer rewards in the congregations, there is no motive for service, (monetary or otherwise) that will move someone with selfish intentions. An Elder or Ministerial Servant (Elder in training) have positions of responsibility....weighty responsibility, as they care for the individual members of the flock. (Heb 13:17) They are obligated to know the ones they serve and Jehovah will demand an accounting for the way they conduct themselves in caring for his 'sheep'. We wouldn't have it any other way...it is Jehovah's way.

I might have a few details wrong, i.e. is it once a week, or month. Is it a paper record or electronic. But never the less, each publisher has to keep record of their time. And please, if I'm wrong about witnesses requirement to log their hours and such each month, tell us how it really is.

If you glean your information from "ex" JW's on hate sites, then all you will get is poisonous, twisted half truths that seem more damning that actual lies. If people wish to believe these lost and hostile individuals...more fool them.

One of the first things to suffer if a congregation member is in trouble is their preaching activity. The ministry is what keeps our faith strong, by sharing it with others.
We do report our time and placements each month for two reasons. 1) If there is a marked drop in their field ministry, it alerts the elders that one of their flock needs help. (Gal 6:1-10)
And 2) these records are kept for inclusion in our Yearbook (which I posted links for) so that all can be encouraged by the faithful service of our brothers all over the world. We can see how many hours we collectively spent taking the good news to others, sometimes in very difficult circumstances, and we can see how many books and magazines are being read in the whole world, not just in our local congregation. We don't see ourselves in isolation, but as a global family. You want to make something sinister out of that...knock yourself out.

I detect a desperation in the constant ridicule and opposition to our GB. People must believe that they can't be wrong about us because, if we are right...what does that mean for them? Remember how confident the Jews were about Jesus being a fake Messiah.....believe me, all opposers will remember our words one day...."just like the days of Noah" the ridicule comes from that confidence. (Matt 24:37-39)
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Again this is a very twisted in the interpretation that has obviously come from disgruntled "ex's". If this is the way they think, we are actually glad to be rid of them. They are petty minded and selfish....Jehovah has no use for people like that. He values loyalty and self sacrifice...they are devoid of both.
Are all the people leaving the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses petty minded and selfish? Do they all leave because of sin? What about the people whose loyalty is to Jesus Christ and they can't believe that to be loyal to Jesus Christ a person must first be loyal to the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses? You have not answered the question that people ask you and I have asked many times. Why do JWs call leaving the organization, "leaving Jehovah"?
They have allowed an embittered spirit to contaminate their thinking. That is their choice.
I would think that an embittered spirit which contaminates thinking is a disease, not a "choice".
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
You must have forgotten, or don't know that I have studied with a JW for a year and a half. I know more about your org than you give me credit for! I can with 100% assurance say, this man has been a JW for 30 years, since 1986 and he has very limited knowledge of the Bible. He will consult the WT literature "before" he will the Bible.

And I would expect a person to consult the words of the slave in explaining scripture....for the simple reason that our own interpretation of things is worth nothing. The divided state of Christendom is the result of people interpreting the Bible for themselves. If it were the product of holy spirit directing people's thoughts, then I would expect all to come to the same conclusions....but they clearly don't. (1 Cor 1:10)

I actually give you very little credit for anything but your obvious prejudice and gullibility in believing what is on hate sites, djh. You feed on apostasy like a dog with a bone. I wish I knew who this brother was so that I could warn him and he would quit wasting his precious time on you. It is your motives that are sinister, whilst you imply that we are. That is the definition of hypocrisy, isn't it?

I was baptized in 1972 and I still consult the words of the slave because I trust them and their interpretation. I never had that trust when I was in Christendom. The church of the same denomination in the next suburb was different from the one I went to simply because the minister put his own spin on things and taught his congregation what he thought. Where is the unity one would expect as a product of God's spirit?.....it is missing completely from Christendom's churches. You are welcome to adhere to that apostate system...I am glad to be free of it.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
I would think that an embittered spirit which contaminates thinking is a disease, not a "choice".

Perhaps the heart leads to the actions that cause the disease.....? Each one will reap what they have sown.....I believe this.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Where is the unity one would expect as a product of God's spirit?.....it is missing completely from Christendom's churches.
I can't be sure but I think the Catholics and the Mormons practice coherence and there must be others too.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
And I would expect a person to consult the words of the slave in explaining scripture....for the simple reason that our own interpretation of things is worth nothing. The divided state of Christendom is the result of people interpreting the Bible for themselves. If it were the product of holy spirit directing people's thoughts, then I would expect all to come to the same conclusions....but they clearly don't. (1 Cor 1:10)
I am surprised that you teach "loyalty" but teach against the words of Jesus Christ.

Matthew 28:20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.
Matthew 18:20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.
Acts 18:10 For I am with you, and no one is going to attack and harm you, because I have many people in this city.
John 14:16-17 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever-the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
 

blue taylor

Active Member
What does it mean? Jesus and his follows are in the world but not of the world. The Jehovah's Witnesses are for the world. They teach that anyone of the world can live in the system of things which God will cause for them and all they must do for it is to obey the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses.

I have asked this but they have ignored me. Who will Jehovah's Witnesses obey when the 144,000 are all in heaven? Who will prepare the food at the right time after the end?
" the governing body" Sounds like the Pharisees and the Sadducees that Jesus rejected.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
I love the way you make everything sound so sinister. Do companies not keep a record of who is employed by them?

Do companies keep records of the names addresses and telephone numbers of their employees?

If a company finds out that one of their employees has a history of theft or other dishonest practices, would they not keep an eye on such a one or even terminate their employment if they found that their previous conduct was still in evidence?

Are the JW's a church, or a business?
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
People must believe that they can't be wrong about us because, if we are right...what does that mean for them?

If they're right, what does that mean for you? How can a rank and file JW trust what they are taught, when their teachers are not confident in what they teach?
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
Are all the people leaving the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses petty minded and selfish? Do they all leave because of sin? What about the people whose loyalty is to Jesus Christ and they can't believe that to be loyal to Jesus Christ a person must first be loyal to the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses? You have not answered the question that people ask you and I have asked many times. Why do JWs call leaving the organization, "leaving Jehovah"? I would think that an embittered spirit which contaminates thinking is a disease, not a "choice".

An awesome question SW! I hope we see an answer.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
An awesome question SW! I hope we see an answer.
I think you might ask the one you are studying with. If I had a farm it would be safe to bet it against @Deeje answering the question. Why do JWs call leaving the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, "leaving Jehovah"?
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
The church of the same denomination in the next suburb was different from the one I went to simply because the minister put his own spin on things and taught his congregation what he thought.

Really, he taught what he thought, and that is wrong huh?

*** w13 7/15 p. 3 par. 3 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” ***
3 For a number of years, we thought that the great tribulation began in 1914 with World War I and that “those days were cut short” by Jehovah in 1918 when the war ended so that the remnant would have the opportunity to preach the good news to all nations. (Matt. 24:21, 22) They not only thought it, they taught it as truth from God!

*** w13 7/15 p. 6 par. 10 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” ***
Previously, we thought that the judging of people as sheep or goats would take place during the entire period of the last days from 1914 onward. We concluded that those who rejected the Kingdom message and who died before the start of the great tribulation would die as goats—without the hope of a resurrection. Not only thought it, but taught it as truth from God.

*** w13 7/15 p. 11 “Look! I Am With You All the Days” ***
Paragraph 6: This is an adjustment in understanding. Previously, we thought that Jesus’ inspection took place in 1918.

*** w13 7/15 p. 13 “Look! I Am With You All the Days” ***
Paragraph 16: Daniel 12:3 states that “the ones having insight [anointed Christians] will shine like the brightness of the expanse.” While still on earth, they do this by sharing in the preaching work. However, Matthew 13:43 points to the time when they will shine brightly in the heavenly Kingdom. Previously, we thought that both scriptures referred to the same activity—the preaching work.
 

blue taylor

Active Member
It's money-making machine. Lots of people make a living off the ignorance of others.
Remember, JW is not a charitable religion, except within their own. This is contrary to the teachings of Jesus in the Sermon On The Mount. The Watchtower takes in almost a billion dollars a year.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Really, he taught what he thought, and that is wrong huh?

*** w13 7/15 p. 3 par. 3 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” ***
3 For a number of years, we thought that the great tribulation began in 1914 with World War I and that “those days were cut short” by Jehovah in 1918 when the war ended so that the remnant would have the opportunity to preach the good news to all nations. (Matt. 24:21, 22) They not only thought it, they taught it as truth from God!

*** w13 7/15 p. 6 par. 10 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” ***
Previously, we thought that the judging of people as sheep or goats would take place during the entire period of the last days from 1914 onward. We concluded that those who rejected the Kingdom message and who died before the start of the great tribulation would die as goats—without the hope of a resurrection. Not only thought it, but taught it as truth from God.

*** w13 7/15 p. 11 “Look! I Am With You All the Days” ***
Paragraph 6: This is an adjustment in understanding. Previously, we thought that Jesus’ inspection took place in 1918.

*** w13 7/15 p. 13 “Look! I Am With You All the Days” ***
Paragraph 16: Daniel 12:3 states that “the ones having insight [anointed Christians] will shine like the brightness of the expanse.” While still on earth, they do this by sharing in the preaching work. However, Matthew 13:43 points to the time when they will shine brightly in the heavenly Kingdom. Previously, we thought that both scriptures referred to the same activity—the preaching work.
It looks like the backward lesson some JWs teach is that the proof of the pudding is NOT in the eating of it.
 
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