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How did your god/s create the earth?

allfoak

Alchemist
According to your mythology, story, philosophy, scripture, etc how was the earth created?

The more details the better.

No debate

This is the principle of gender from the Hermetic Philosophy; it is through this principle that creation comes about.

No debate. :)


CHAPTER XIII
GENDER
"Gender is in everything; everything has its Masculine
and Feminine Principles; Gender manifests on all
planes."--The Kybalion.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/kyb/kyb15.htm

The great Seventh Hermetic Principle--the Principle of Gender--embodies the truth that there is Gender manifested in everything--that the Masculine and Feminine principles are ever present and active in all phases of phenomena, on each and every plane of life. At this point we think it well to call your attention to the fact that Gender, in its Hermetic sense, and Sex in the ordinarily accepted use of the term, are not the same.
The word "Gender" is derived from the Latin root meaning "to beget; to procreate; to generate; to create; to produce." A moment's consideration will show you that the word has a much broader and more general meaning than the term "Sex," the latter referring to the physical distinctions between male and female living things. Sex is merely a manifestation of Gender on a certain plane of the Great Physical Plane--the plane of organic life. We wish to impress this distinction upon your minds, for the reason that certain writers, who have acquired a smattering of the Hermetic Philosophy, have sought to identify this Seventh Hermetic Principle with wild and fanciful, and often reprehensible, theories and teachings regarding Sex.

The office of Gender is solely that of creating, producing, generating, etc., and its manifestations are visible on every plane of phenomena. It is somewhat difficult to produce proofs of this along scientific lines, for the reason that science has not as yet recognized this Principle as of universal application. But still some proofs are forthcoming from scientific sources. In the first place, we find a distinct manifestation of the Principle of Gender among the corpuscles, ions, or electrons, which constitute the basis of Matter as science now knows the latter, and which by forming certain combinations form the Atom, which until lately was regarded as final and indivisible.

The latest word of science is that the atom is composed of a multitude of corpuscles, electrons, or ions (the various names being applied by different authorities) revolving around each other and vibrating at a high degree and intensity. But the accompanying statement is made that the formation of the atom is really due to the clustering of negative corpuscles around a positive one---the positive corpuscles seeming to exert a certain influence upon the negative corpuscles, causing the latter to assume certain combinations and thus "create" or "generate" an atom. This is in line with the most ancient Hermetic Teachings, which have always identified the Masculine principle of Gender with the "Positive," and the Feminine with the "Negative" Poles of Electricity (so called).

Now a word at this point regarding this identification. The public mind has formed an entirely erroneous impression regarding the qualities of the so-called "Negative" pole of electrified or magnetized Matter. The terms Positive and Negative are very wrongly applied to this phenomenon by science. The word Positive means something real and strong, as compared with a Negative unreality or weakness. Nothing is further from the real facts of electrical phenomenon. The so-called Negative pole of the battery is really the pole in and by which the generation or production of new forms and energies is manifested. There is nothing "negative" about it. The best scientific authorities now use the word "Cathode" in place of "Negative," the word Cathode coming from the Greek root meaning "descent; the path of generation, etc," From the Cathode pole emerge the swarm of electrons or corpuscles; from the same pole emerge those wonderful "rays" which have revolutionized scientific conceptions during the past decade. The Cathode pole is the Mother of all of the strange phenomena which have rendered useless the old textbooks, and which have caused many long accepted theories to be relegated to the scrap-pile of scientific speculation. The Cathode, or Negative Pole, is the Mother Principle of Electrical Phenomena, and of the finest forms of matter as yet known to science. So you see we are justified in refusing to use the term "Negative" in our consideration of the subject, and in insisting upon substituting the word "Feminine" for the old term. The facts of the case bear us out in this, without taking the Hermetic Teachings into consideration. And so we shall use the word "Feminine" in the place of "Negative" in speaking of that pole of activity.

The latest scientific teachings are that the creative corpuscles or electrons are Feminine (science says "they are composed of negative electricity"-we say they are composed of Feminine energy). A Feminine corpuscle becomes detached from, or rather leaves, a Masculine corpuscle, and starts on a new career. It actively seeks a union with a Masculine corpuscle, being urged thereto by the natural impulse to create new forms of Matter or Energy. One writer goes so far as to use the term "it at once seeks, of its own volition, a union," etc. This detachment and uniting form the basis of the greater part of the activities of the chemical world. When the Feminine corpuscle unites with a Masculine corpuscle, a certain process is begun. The Feminine particles vibrate rapidly under the influence of the Masculine energy, and circle rapidly around the latter. The result is the birth of a new atom. This new atom is really composed of a union of the Masculine and Feminine electrons, or corpuscles, but when the union is formed the atom is a separate thing, having certain properties, but no longer manifesting the property of free electricity. The process of detachment or separation of the Feminine electrons is called "ionization." These electrons, or corpuscles, are the most active workers in Nature's field. Arising from their unions, or combinations, manifest the varied phenomena of light, heat, electricity, magnetism, attraction, repulsion, chemical affinity and the reverse, and similar phenomena. And all this arises from the operation of the Principle of Gender on the plane of Energy.

The part of the Masculine principle seems to be that of directing a certain inherent energy toward the Feminine principle, and thus starting into activity the creative processes. But the Feminine principle is the one always doing the active creative work-and this is so on all planes. And yet, each principle is incapable of operative energy without the assistance of the other. In some of the forms of life, the two principles are combined in one organism. For that matter, everything in the organic world manifests both genders--there is always the Masculine present in the Feminine form, and the Feminine form. The Hermetic Teachings include much regarding the operation of the two principles of Gender in the production and manifestation of various forms of energy, etc., but we do not deem it expedient to go into detail regarding the same at this point, because we are unable to back up the same with scientific proof, for the reason that science has not as yet progressed thus far. But the example we have given you of the phenomena of the electrons or corpuscles will show you that science is on the right path, and will also give you a general idea of the underlying principles.

Some leading scientific investigators have announced their belief that in the formation of crystals there was to be found something that corresponded to "sex-activity" which is another straw showing the direction the scientific winds are blowing. And each year will bring other facts to corroborate the correctness of the Hermetic Principle of Gender. It will be found that Gender is in constant operation and manifestation in the field of inorganic matter, and in the field of Energy or Force. Electricity is now generally regarded as the "Something" into which all other forms of energy seem to melt or dissolve. The "Electrical Theory of the Universe" is the latest scientific doctrine, and is growing rapidly in popularity and general acceptance. And it thus follows that if we are able to discover in the phenomena of electricity-even at the very root and source of its manifestations a clear and unmistakable evidence of the presence of Gender and its activities, we are justified in asking you to believe that science at last has offered proofs of the existence in all universal phenomena of that great Hermetic Principle-the Principle of Gender.

It is not necessary to take up your time with the well known phenomena of the "attraction and repulsion" of the atoms; chemical affinity; the "loves and hates" of the atomic particles; the attraction or cohesion between the molecules of matter. These facts are too well known to need extended comment from us. But, have you ever considered that all of these things are manifestations of the Gender Principle? Can you not see that the phenomena is "on all fours" with that of the corpuscles or electrons? And more than this, can you not see the reasonableness of the Hermetic Teachings which assert that the very Law of Gravitation-that strange attraction by reason of which all particles and bodies of matter in the universe tend toward each other is but another manifestation of the Principle of Gender, which operates in the direction of attracting the Masculine to the Feminine energies, and vice versa? We cannot offer you scientific proof of this at this time-but examine the phenomena in the light of the Hermetic Teachings on the subject, and see if you have not a better working hypothesis than any offered by physical science. Submit all physical phenomena to the test, and you will discern the Principle of Gender ever in evidence.

Let us now pass on to a consideration of the operation of the Principle on the Mental Plane. Many interesting features are there awaiting examination.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Creation mythos has never been of particular importance to my religion. Or rather, what is important about those stories is what they say about the nature of reality and the relationships various aspects of reality have with each other. Put another way, I am only interested in those stories for how they inform daily life and living in the present.

For example, I like the Great Story (creation as illuminated by the sciences) not because of any explanatory power it might hold or because of the little trivial details of things that happened so long ago it's irrelevant to my life, but because of what it says about relationships. The Epic of Evolution in particular strongly complements the pantheistic/animistic elements of my religion, because it teaches that all life on this planet is related. The squirrels, the ash trees, the wasps, are our brothers and sisters in the Epic of Evolution, just as they are to an animistic worldview. And as our brothers and sisters, they are worthy and deserving of respect and consideration.

I also am partial to Hellenic mythos, because of what it tells us about relationships too. There are a couple different stories about the origin of Eros, for example. One paints it as a force that is primordial and has pretty much always existed, while the other paints it as a product of love and war. Both tell us something interesting about Eros' nature. Look as well to the birth of Athene, and the interesting thing about that story isn't the superficial, literalistic reading of it but what the tale tells about Athene's nature. From it we learn that things like wisdom and battlefield strategy are cerebral endeavors rather than, say, matters of the heart. We learn that holding wisdom within the mind can cause a painful burden upon its bearer. We learn that to extract wisdom and stratagem, it might take someone else wresting it from us to bring it out into the light.

 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
Creation mythos has never been of particular importance to my religion.

I think the same can be said of Norse, and Germanic in general, creation stories. I don't think there's a single modern day Heathen, of any northern tradition (cf. Northern Tradition ;)) who believes the creation story. I wonder if many of the ancients even believed it. That said, it goes like this... Creation of the World in Norse Mythology (why re-invent the wheel and re-type it?). Personally I'm on-board with the current Big Bang theory and theory of evolution.
 

arthra

Baha'i
My belief is that the process of creating has been and will continue to be ongoing... It had no beginning and will have no end because God is a Creator and the process of creating continues. I am as a "creation" unable to fathom how the process works or the details.

Bahá'u'lláh teaches that the universe is without beginning in time. It is a perpetual emanation from the Great First Cause. The Creator always had His creation and always will have.

(SOW - Star of the West, Star of the West - 5)
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
You don't want Christians to answer the OP?

What about Jesus adherents who aren't ''Christians''?
I'm a non-Christian 'Jesus' adherent, do you not want me to answer the OP?

I hadnt thought about people who adhere to Jesus but not Christian when I created the OP. Many ex-christians who are not adhering to jesus teachings tend to guide their anwers along christian lines. If the have their own faith or morals, I rather for them to answer from that instead or try to.

Do you agree with how the Bible describes creation?
If so or no, what is your creation story?
 

Aiviu

Active Member
This isnt a Christian-only thread. If you dont use the word god, use what you normally use. Dont talior answers around mine. Try not to be influenced by christian themes if your faith is far from abrahamic Muslim, Christian, od Jewish. Eastern, Western, Southern, Northern people of all faiths. No debatea. Comparative religion.

:seedling:

Hate to say this, my practice doesnt come with a creation of the earth story. I was taught we came from the waters. Thats what I believe. I saw it in the Smithsonean exibit once and I thought it was old wise talea. Guess not. I dont know what that field of science is called. Genesis from water or human genesis from water? Tried to look it up. Anway, the spirits are the waters, sun, moon, etc. They created us if I were to personify them as deities for better and lack of scientific jargon I know nothing about.

According to your mythology, story, philosophy, scripture, etc how was the earth created?

The more details the better.

If you have no religion and believe in science, please keep it simple with details too.

No debate

I believe that if there is a God who i wish to exist hasn't directly created the earth. He just made nature possible and everything else went on its way to grow which underlays its own structure. The living part in a matter needs an area to survive, to grow. Thus, i think, nature's Will to stay existent creat(es)ed it. I assume in a lot of ways we have that too. Regarding to the water you mentioned. If the so-called heaven should exist then from there something is pouring into here to create this reality which we sense as the real moment in a meditation - being the consciousness life ourselves. Wouldnt be suprised if the comparision with water is the most obvious one by what you can see and sense.

I hope i could make myself understood despite my linguistic abilites.
 
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Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I think the same can be said of Norse, and Germanic in general, creation stories. I don't think there's a single modern day Heathen, of any northern tradition (cf. Northern Tradition ;)) who believes the creation story. I wonder if many of the ancients even believed it. That said, it goes like this... Creation of the World in Norse Mythology (why re-invent the wheel and re-type it?). Personally I'm on-board with the current Big Bang theory and theory of evolution.
I think our ancestors were smart enough to understand that it was poetic metaphor. Thanks to certain religions, we project our culture's literalism in regards to myth onto them and that's not fair.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
I hadnt thought about people who adhere to Jesus but not Christian when I created the OP. Many ex-christians who are not adhering to jesus teachings tend to guide their anwers along christian lines. If the have their own faith or morals, I rather for them to answer from that instead or try to.

Do you agree with how the Bible describes creation?
If so or no, what is your creation story?

It doesn't contradict with my beliefs . That being said, interpretation varies, regarding the Scripture, as well. I also have extra-Biblical beliefs, /not in the Bible, but, that seems superfluous to the general idea of the thread.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
It doesn't contradict with my beliefs . That being said, interpretation varies, regarding the Scripture, as well. I also have extra-Biblical beliefs, /not in the Bible, but, that seems superfluous to the general idea of the thread.

Why do you say superfluous? Does it relate to how you view creation, if you view there was a creation, and/or if that view strongly differs than the mainstream?
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Why do you say superfluous? Does it relate to how you view creation, if you view there was a creation, and/or if that view strongly differs than the mainstream?

I don't quite know what ''mainstream'', is supposed to mean, here. Some views might differ, sure. The general idea, of a created earth, is the same, idea, though, in theme/
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I don't quite know what ''mainstream'', is supposed to mean, here. Some views might differ, sure. The general idea, of a created earth, is the same, idea, though, in theme/

What do you mean by superflucious, though, many christians 'mainly' believe in the story in the Bible. Isnthat the case for you? How similar? Or how different?
 

GoodbyeDave

Well-Known Member
Hellenism doesn't have a creation myth. Religion is about our relation to the gods, and the question "where does it all come from?" is a question for philosophers.

Personally, like Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, and other Hellenic philosophers, I find the argument for the cosmos being a creation is beyond reasonable doubt. Like them, I find it probably that it was a "one-god job". But that's my philosophy, not my religion. If the cosmos was the work of a Supreme Being, I see no evidence that that God interacts with mankind, like the gods whom I worship.

How was it done? I can't say, as I wasn't there!
 

godnotgod

Thou art That
According to your mythology, story, philosophy, scripture, etc how was the earth created?

It wasn't 'created', and neither was the Universe. The moment we begin to talk about 'creation' we run into the age old dilemma of having to explain the origin of the original creative material out of which Everything emerged. Theists answer by saying that God made it of of sheer nothing, while science still is trying to explain it. What we call 'the material world' is not very 'material' in nature after all. The latest findings in Quantum Physics tell us that ALL of the mass of the atom is VIRTUAL in nature; that it is totally created via fluctuations in the Quantum and Higgs Fields. What this essentially means is that all of our 'material' reality is also virtual in nature.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16095-its-confirmed-matter-is-merely-vacuum-fluctuations/

IOW, it is an illusion, and lo and behold, the East has been pointing this out for over 4000 years.

Science tells us that Space-Time came into existence at the moment of inception of the Big Bang. That means that there was no 'before' the BB, nor place. Only Consciousness is not in Time or Space. The BB was an event in Consciousness, as it continues to be. All material existence is a projection, a manifestation of Consciousness, but this illusion that is the world is not your ordinary garden variety kind of illusion, which, once seen, vanishes. The illusion that is the Universe does not vanish, once detected for what it is. It is an illusion of a higher order. That is where our spiritual journey begins.


'The Universe is [none other than] The Absolute, as seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation'

Vivekenanda

edit: that the Universe is an illusion answers the problem of origin of original material because there was none.:D

http://quanta-gaia.org/dobson/EquationsOfMaya.html
 

walmul

Member
I used to be a Christian, believed as they did, worshipped as they did, but fortunately I started investigating religion. What I have kept from it is the "spirit'' reference. It is today my opinion that spirit does exist, but not as religion sells it. Life exist thanks to spirit. Spirit. In my opinion everything we can see, touch and feel, is being created by spirit. Life is in everything that exist, be it human, animal, plant, water, insect, reptile, or even soil or rock. You might ask how it all came to be? What power creates everything from nothing or from unseen particles. Spirit must be small enough to manipulate the smallest unseen particles or be able to communicate with it in order for those infinitely small unseen particles to form a testable material form. Without ''life'' which in my opinion is spirit nothing we experience can exist as e testable entity.

If spirit can communicate with those unseen particles it also means those unseen particles have ''life''... ''spirit'' driving it. I see this as pyramid structures where even an atom has a senior in charge giving orders to other spirits driving the rest of that unseen unit we call an atom. These creators are not interested in our sins or high morals, they create and expect and trust that whatever they create eventually learn, evolve to a greater form. There is a saying "space is infinite and creation never stop". We as humans think this planet and solar system is the one intelligent testable entity, they do that out of ignorance and a shortage of information. We have much to learn.

Worship is a waste, being grateful is worth more than any prayer. The creators are a multitude, space is infinitely big. You might ask... but who created spirit? I don't think there exist a human who can answer that question. We can ''safely assume'' that spirit have always been, if not nothing would ever have existed.

Walter.
 
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