djhwoodwerks
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I think you should re-read my post. Where did I say "only" the twelve apostles will rule?
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Why exactly do Jehovah's Witnesses evangelize?
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I think you should re-read my post. Where did I say "only" the twelve apostles will rule?
djhwoodwerks
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Please give us your understanding of Rev 20:4. How many do you believe will "NOT" worship the beast or his image, and did not receive his mark?
djhwoodwerks
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Where is this appointment mentioned?
djhwoodwerks
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Christendom is a divided and spiritually empty place, but if you wish to remain there protesting about us, then that is your choice. The fact that you need to prove us wrong in such an unpleasant way makes me wonder why? You seem to 'need' us to be wrong. Does misery love company or what?
My mission, as should be everyone who confesses Jesus as Lord, is to bring "new light" to the JW's and expose the cult they belong to. If Christians didn't care about JW's, why would we waste our time.
I have no misery, I don't live in fear! You see, I have the freedom to go where my heart and the Holy Spirit leads me, JW's don't. My faith, my trust, my allegiance is to Jesus, not 7 men sitting in NY. I don't have to worry about losing my family and friends because I disagree with something that is being taught as from God Himself.
2Co 3:17 (ESVST) 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
djhwoodwerks
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This is a question I have asked a few JW's, and have yet to get a straight answer. Would you be so kind as to give your answer, from the Bible, not JW literature, please?
Interesting what things you highlighted there djh.
2 Cor 5:20, 21 from the NLT says:
"So we are Christ’s ambassadors; God is making his appeal through us. We speak for Christ when we plead, “Come back to God!” 21 For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ."
What is Paul saying there? Are the apostles the only anointed ones with "the heavenly calling"? (Heb 3:1) Or was he speaking about all anointed ones making appeal to people in Jesus' name to "be made right with God"?
Do anointed Christians exist today? If they do, then like Paul and the other spirit anointed ones, they are "Christ's ambassadors" acting in his behalf.Directing people back to God. I see the GB doing exactly that. You can believe whatever you like. I don't see anyone forcing you to believe otherwise.
By your interpretation then, all the apostles were the anti-christ too. What nonsense.
Being an "ambassador" means representing a ruling authority.....it is not the definition of the anti-christ unless you really want to twist things enough to believe that. You seem quite determined not to be wrong about us.....your choice.
Matt 24:45-47. So "who really is the faithful and discreet slave"? We each have to decide that for ourselves.
According to Paul, there are only two tables from which to feed. (1 Cor 10:21) We are all feeding from either one or the other....most can't tell which is which.
John 16:7-8Matt 24:45-47. So "who really is the faithful and discreet slave"? We each have to decide that for ourselves.
According to Paul, there are only two tables from which to feed. (1 Cor 10:21) We are all feeding from either one or the other....most can't tell which is which.
I asked you first. Tell me what Christendom thinks God's kingdom is.
When you answer my question, I will answer yours.
I know what it isn't.
It isn't your governing body.
It is Matthew 24:30
According to the Jehovah's Witnesses is God's Kingdom the governing body of JWs?
By the way, "Christendom" isn't a thinking entity. Fyi it is the name of a group of people who believe in Jesus Christ.
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Your "mission" is very misguided IMO.
Here we are djh.....look at how "cultish" we are......
http://tv.jw.org/#en/video/VODMusicVideos/pub-jwbon_201512_1_VIDEO
....look at how stressed we all are, miserable and under great pressure from the GB not to put a foot wrong......your comments are a absolute joke.
You think we paid thousands of actors to fake that? You have been listening to the wrong people. (2 Tim 4:3, 4) But that is your privilege.
Neither do we ...what gave you the idea that we do? You have been getting your information from defectors. (1 John 2:18, 19)
Would you go to Judas to ask about Jesus or the other apostles? Ever been on the other end of an "ex's" testimony about you?
No one I know has anything to fear from the elders or the GB. It is Jesus who will judge us if we fail to live up to his teachings.
There is one truth djh...just one, not many versions of it. If you are found in Babylon the great when the judgment comes, you will go down with that sinking ship. (Rev 18:4, 5)
In a world ruled by the devil black is white and white is black. He is a deceiver...how do you think he turned a whole nation against God's own son? You think you can't be deceived just as easily? Nothing is as it appears.
Who told you that? Ex JW's? Or your own heart.....neither can be trusted you know. (1 Tim 1:4-6; Jer 17:9)
Again, that is your choice...Jesus appointed a "faithful slave" to "feed" his household. We all have to identify that slave and take the food he offers....(Matt 24:45)
"Many" think that they are members of that household, but they are in for a rude shock. (Matt 7:21-23)
And what makes you think we have no freedom? Good grief!
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John 16:7-8Again, that is your choice...Jesus appointed a "faithful slave" to "feed" his household. We all have to identify that slave and take the food he offers....(Matt 24:45)
"Many" think that they are members of that household, but they are in for a rude shock. (Matt 7:21-23)
Jehovah's Witnesses have not yet said why the helper that Jesus promised to send is not the faithful and discreet slave.
John 15:14-16
14"You are My friends if you do what I command you. 15"No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you.16"You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you* that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.
Who really is the faithful and discreet SLAVE whom his master APPOINTED** over his servants to give them food at the proper time?
*Strong's 5087 appointed (6), assign (2), committed (1), conceived (1), destined (1), down* (4), falling (1), fixed (1), kept (1), kneeling* (2), knelt* (3), laid (22), laid aside (1), laid down (1), lay (4), lay...down (2), lay down (8), laying (2), lays down (1), made (4), make (4), offer (1), placed (4), present (1), purposed (1), put (15), puts (2), puts...away (1), putting (1), reached (1), serves (1), set...down (1), set down (1), sink (1).
** Strong's 2525 appoint (1), appointed (4), appoints (1), escorted (1), made (5), makes (1), put...in charge (4), put in charge (3), render (1), set (1).
14"You are My friends if you do what I command you. 15"No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you.16"You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you* that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.
Who really is the faithful and discreet SLAVE whom his master APPOINTED** over his servants to give them food at the proper time?
*Strong's 5087 appointed (6), assign (2), committed (1), conceived (1), destined (1), down* (4), falling (1), fixed (1), kept (1), kneeling* (2), knelt* (3), laid (22), laid aside (1), laid down (1), lay (4), lay...down (2), lay down (8), laying (2), lays down (1), made (4), make (4), offer (1), placed (4), present (1), purposed (1), put (15), puts (2), puts...away (1), putting (1), reached (1), serves (1), set...down (1), set down (1), sink (1).
** Strong's 2525 appoint (1), appointed (4), appoints (1), escorted (1), made (5), makes (1), put...in charge (4), put in charge (3), render (1), set (1).
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Not no freedom. Your religion is based on works. Can you tell me that when you go to work you are free? You are not free and you do not work for free.And what makes you think we have no freedom? Good grief!
djhwoodwerks
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Interesting what things you highlighted there Deeje. I was pointing out how the GB claims they are Christs "substitutes". You avoided that!
2Co 5:20-21 (ESVST) 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Ambassador - (STRONG) g4243. πρεσβεύω presbeuō; from the base of 4245; to be a senior, i. e. (by implication) act as a representative (figuratively, preacher):— be an ambassador.
*** w98 12/15 p. 18 par. 10 This Is the Day of Salvation! ***
10 Jehovah has committed the ministry of reconciliation to the anointed, so Paul could say: “We are therefore ambassadors substituting for Christ, as though God were making entreaty through us. As substitutes for Christ we beg: ‘Become reconciled to God.’” (2 Corinthians 5:20) In ancient times, ambassadors were dispatched mainly during periods of hostility to see if warfare could be averted. (Luke 14:31, 32) Since the sinful world of mankind is alienated from God, he has sent his anointed ambassadors forth to inform people of his terms for reconciliation. As substitutes for Christ, anointed ones beg: “Become reconciled to God.” This entreaty is a merciful urging to seek peace with God and accept the salvation he makes possible through Christ.
I totally agree that we are "ambassadors" of Christ, are acting in "behalf" of Christ. The GB is teaching that they are "substitutes" for Christ, not "representatives" of Christ. There is a difference. And if you read 2Cor 5:20, 21 you'll not find the word "anointed" anywhere, why do you add a word that is not there?
The last sentence in that paragraph says, "As substitutes for Christ, anointed ones beg: “Become reconciled to God.” This entreaty is a merciful urging to seek peace with God and accept the salvation he makes possible through Christ." Isn't this what every JW does, not just the anointed?
djhwoodwerks
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Really, so if there are 5 men standing in front of me, each one saying he is the appointed slave, it's up to me to decide which one it is? So actually, it's not an appointment from Jesus, "I" would appoint the man "I" think is the slave, right?
djhwoodwerks
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By your interpretation then, all the apostles were the anti-christ too. What nonsense.
Being an "ambassador" means representing a ruling authority.....it is not the definition of the anti-christ unless you really want to twist things enough to believe that. You seem quite determined not to be wrong about us.....your choice.
You only read what you are trained to read Deeje. I never said the apostles claimed to be "substitutes" for Christ, they never claimed that. They claimed to be "ambassadors", "representing" Christ. The GB claims to be "substitutes" for Christ, putting themselves in His place. Do they not claim they are His "substitutes"?
djhwoodwerks
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According to Paul, there are only two tables from which to feed. (1 Cor 10:21) We are all feeding from either one or the other....most can't tell which is which.
By most, you're speaking of everyone who is not a JW, correct?
That is a good question! LOL
It reminds me of the warning at 2 Timothy 3:13. When anyone accepts the governing body appointments as coming from God he or she misleads the appointee into believing the appointment is real.
djhwoodwerks
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This is the only response a JW can give when asked about the Kingdom. Because JW's are never taught what the Kingdom is, they're just taught to preach about it. JW's don't have a clue what the Kingdom is.