Sarkeesian attacks fund raising for IWHC

The International Women's Health Coalition that is.

I originally wanted to post this in the Feminist section as I wanted this to be a discussion between feminists but apparently we are not allowed to debate in "only" sections and I felt that this is probably too harsh in tone to not be the start of a debate.

And before anyone accuses me of being anti-woman or anti-feminist, I am both female and a feminist/egalitarian. I'm just not one of the kinds that follows it blindly as if I was a religious zealot. Not that I follow but you get the point.


Please, before responding to this topic, you must watch the full video and read this post entirely for proper context.

Some people have seen my statements about how Anita Sarkeesian isn't a real feminist in my opinion and characterizes everything has harassment. This is probably the most appalling example so far.

One of her critics wants to raise money to help women in the third world, simply because it is one of her critics, she decides to attack them and lie about the fundraiser and what they are trying to do. Keep in mind, the fund raiser had nothing to do with her.

The money being raised by The Amazing Atheist is going to the International Women's Health Coalition:

https://www.crowdrise.com/extraordinary-people-daring-to-actually-help-women-

In the description of the fund raiser:

Hello, I'm TJ Kirk. I hope that you will join me in supporting The International Women's Health Coalition, whose goals are to provide sexual education, reproductive rights, and educational opportunities women and girls in places like Africa, India, The Middle East and Asia.
They strive to help girls in these regions by:

• Advancing the rights of adolescent girls
• Promoting comprehensive sexual education
• Ending child marriages and forced marriages
• Ensuring safe and legal abortions

The IWHC accomplishes these goals by working with governments and global health policymakers as well as funding educational programs and grassroots political movements. They are bringing true feminism to woman and girls who suffer actual oppression and inequality. Their organization has received a 4 star rating from Charity Navigator, a service that rates charities based on the financial health of the charity and the transparency and accountability of the charity. The IWHC received a rating of 90 out of 100 for financial health and 100 out of 100 for transparency and accountability. To learn more about the IWHC you can check out their website here: https://iwhc.org

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Please, if you are a real feminist, see here the difference. Sarkeesian wants to raise money for another video series when she was well over her goal with her last series which isn't even finished. If she cared about women she wouldn't be attacking this fund raising, but would actually be promoting it instead of slandering it on various "feminist" websites.

And before anyone tries to say that it isn't his fundraising she is attacking, no other major critic of hers on youtube is having any kind of fund raising for this and as said in the video others are trying to counter his fundraising by giving more money to Sarkeesian.

Fact is, The Amazing Atheist actually wants to help women. It is reprehensible what she is doing. But Sarkeesian doesn't care about women, does she? Only herself it would seem. A while back I came across proof (even video of her promoting it) that she was involved with at least one pyramid scheme in the past before getting involved in sex negative feminism. Sadly it seems she is taking the feminist movement for a ride and everyone is thinking with their emotions instead of critically.

She is hurting feminism and I wish more feminists would see that.

I just watched this video earlier!

You are quite right, she also has a long time hate-hate relationship with TJ (The Amazing Atheist) and the DPP.
They have been covering her idiotic and dishonest antics for years now, she has quite the bad record.

Mandi said:

Please, if you are a real feminist, see here the difference. Sarkeesian wants to raise money for another video series when she was well over her goal with her last series which isn't even finished. If she cared about women she wouldn't be attacking this fund raising, but would actually be promoting it instead of slandering it on various "feminist" websites.

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The sad thing is that she is a real feminist, just the type that gives most a bad name.
Egotistical and greedy as she may be, she is a feminist.

There are radicals in most groups, namely religions.
The 'good' ones work around them yet still get the heat because of them.
Funny how humans work sometimes.

Deathbydefault said:

I just watched this video earlier!

You are quite right, she also has a long time hate-hate relationship with TJ (The Amazing Atheist) and the DPP.
They have been covering her idiotic and dishonest antics for years now, she has quite the bad record.

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Ya, it's quite sad. At least maybe his response and this topic might help raise the funds for the IWHC. God knows they would be better spent helping women around the world than funding another series that will go unfinished and who knows where for all the excess money will go to for her fundraiser. I really think that if her first goal of 6,000 was exceeded to hundreds of thousands she easily could of saved that money to fund another series.

But looking at the poor unresearched quality of her first series on video games (full of blatant errors that anyone who's played the games can spot) I don't think she ever took the series seriously or cared... I really would wonder what all that money went towards.

Mandi said:

Ya, it's quite sad. At least maybe his response and this topic might help raise the funds for the IWHC. God knows they would be better spent helping women around the world than funding another series that will go unfinished and who knows where for all the excess money will go to for her fundraiser. I really think that if her first goal of 6,000 was exceeded to hundreds of thousands she easily could of saved that money to fund another series.

But looking at the poor unresearched quality of her first series on video games (full of blatant errors that anyone who's played the games can spot) I don't think she ever took the series seriously or cared... I really would wonder what all that money went towards.

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It all went towards her, because she is number one in her head.
Have you listened to her speeches or responses to being criticized?
She values her self and her ideals more than ration discussion, or just being right in general.

Other people are her tools to achieve her goals, and then to be discarded or put on a shelf at her leisure.
Those who criticize her deserve to be arrested, killed or culled, as far as she cares.

Mandi said:

I am both female and a feminist/egalitarian. I'm just not one of the kinds that follows it blindly as if I was a religious zealot.

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Oh girl you are going to have it tough here.

Mandi said:

Ya, it's quite sad. At least maybe his response and this topic might help raise the funds for the IWHC. God knows they would be better spent helping women around the world than funding another series that will go unfinished and who knows where for all the excess money will go to for her fundraiser. I really think that if her first goal of 6,000 was exceeded to hundreds of thousands she easily could of saved that money to fund another series.

But looking at the poor unresearched quality of her first series on video games (full of blatant errors that anyone who's played the games can spot) I don't think she ever took the series seriously or cared... I really would wonder what all that money went towards.

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Ahh yes the long running feud of AA/DP and AS.

As much as I think TJ is an ******* a lot of the time and often "E- Begs" himself (his charity could be a publicity stunt, but at least it's a good cause) this move by Anita is probably the lowest she's sunk.
But this is all about the almighty dollar.
As of right now, Anita is in the middle of yet another kickstarter. Fundraising for another series about everyday women. Which is already in production, is apparently written and has already started filming. One wonders then, why she needs the money to begin with. As she has either enough clout or money to already hire a team to put together her next pet project regardless. Will she actually finish it this time? Who knows.And as you say, she would have enough left over from her last kickstarter either way.

This is typical of Anita's tactics unfortunately. She drums up controversy, usually by ****ing with her more well known (and often emotional) critics or even allowing her oft blocked comment section under her videos to be open for a while, knowing the trolls will seize an opportunity to mock her, points to carefully selected troll posts as proof of "harassment" and profits from it. But now Charities are being caught up in the fallout. Is nothing sacred?

This is exactly why I'm against Anita. She doesn't care about change or bettering the world or helping women or even feminism. She prefers to pontificate about buzzword issues, riles everyone on both sides up, uses her platform to give pretty speeches in order to obfuscate her real agenda. Profit. She forces two opposing sides already at each other's throat to go after each other in order to keep the status quo firmly in place, hides behind threats both legitimate and facetious and laughs all the way to the bank.
Loudest voice in the female and feminist gaming community, ladies and gentlemen. All I can say is wow.

SomeRandom said:

As much as I think TJ is an ******* a lot of the time and often "E- Begs" himself (his charity could be a publicity stunt, but at least it's a good cause) this move by Anita is probably the lowest she's sunk.

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From everything I've known, when he's e-begged he's always been honest about what he wanted the money for and why. So if people donated it's not like they were mislead. In this case the money is to help women internationally and so obviously he isn't getting any of it.

I think, from his video, he is more frustrated that one of the times he wants to go out and help people that it backfires on him. He's talked about feminism a lot and I think for him he wanted to stop talking about how feminists should help women in the third world and instead go and do it as I've heard him say that's what Feminists in the developed world should be doing many times. I guess he decided to be part of that process himself. If any of it was a stunt it was in reaction to Sarkeesian.

Rowan said:

I personally find TJ and Sarkeesian both completely detrimental as human beings.

TJ can be a sexist piece of garbage sometimes and I think him criticizing Sarkeesian is hypocritical and vice versa.

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I've never heard him say anything that was really indicative of him being sexist... he treats men and everyone else the same way. With scornful disdain lol. And calling him garbage is kind of a running gag on the Drunken Peasants so it doesn't mean much when his friends and brother make fun of him with that insult all the time.

He actually made a pretty good video lately condemning the anti-Muslim travel ban proposal by Trump and a lot of the rhetoric after Brussels and defended free speech and touched a lot on real dangers that we don't fear (drawing on how we irrationally fear Islamic terrorism). He did this while maintaining his clear opposition to Islam. The guy very clearly cares about free speech as well as freedom of religion and doesn't believe anyone should be discriminated against, even if he strongly opposes their ideology.

The guy is not PC at all and has major beefs with religion and certain feminists but he is very, very left wing politically on both social and economic issues. He isn't the monster many make him out to be, although he can be a little ignorant at times I'll admit, he isn't truly a bigot as far as I have ever been able to tell.

TJ uses satire, I find it amusing.
Perhaps listening to the meaning of what he's saying instead of getting a bit butthurt over the way he says it would be advised...

I don't know why there are those who just don't get the jokes, they really are not that hard to understand.

Mandi said:

From everything I've known, when he's e-begged he's always been honest about what he wanted the money for and why. So if people donated it's not like they were mislead. In this case the money is to help women internationally and so obviously he isn't getting any of it.

I think, from his video, he is more frustrated that one of the times he wants to go out and help people that it backfires on him. He's talked about feminism a lot and I think for him he wanted to stop talking about how feminists should help women in the third world and instead go and do it as I've heard him say that's what Feminists in the developed world should be doing many times. I guess he decided to be part of that process himself. If any of it was a stunt it was in reaction to Sarkeesian.



I've never heard him say anything that was really indicative of him being sexist... he treats men and everyone else the same way. With scornful disdain lol. And calling him garbage is kind of a running gag on the Drunken Peasants so it doesn't mean much when his friends and brother make fun of him with that insult all the time.

He actually made a pretty good video lately condemning the anti-Muslim travel ban proposal by Trump and a lot of the rhetoric after Brussels and defended free speech and touched a lot on real dangers that we don't fear (drawing on how we irrationally fear Islamic terrorism). He did this while maintaining his clear opposition to Islam. The guy very clearly cares about free speech as well as freedom of religion and doesn't believe anyone should be discriminated against, even if he strongly opposes their ideology.

The guy is not PC at all and has major beefs with religion and certain feminists but he is very, very left wing politically on both social and economic issues. He isn't the monster many make him out to be, although he can be a little ignorant at times I'll admit, he isn't truly a bigot as far as I have ever been able to tell.

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Nailed it.

Mandi said:

From everything I've known, when he's e-begged he's always been honest about what he wanted the money for and why. So if people donated it's not like they were mislead. In this case the money is to help women internationally and so obviously he isn't getting any of it.

I think, from his video, he is more frustrated that one of the times he wants to go out and help people that it backfires on him. He's talked about feminism a lot and I think for him he wanted to stop talking about how feminists should help women in the third world and instead go and do it as I've heard him say that's what Feminists in the developed world should be doing many times. I guess he decided to be part of that process himself. If any of it was a stunt it was in reaction to Sarkeesian.
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Look I don't hate TJ, nor do I find him particularly underhanded. E Begging is literally trying to beg for money. For which he has gained a bit of a bad rap among the YT community. I never said he does it dishonestly. And like I said, at least in this instance it's for a good cause. If people want to give him or Anita "Needy" Sarkeesian their hard earned money then that's entirely their choice. But just like I will criticise Needy for dishonest and unethical tactics, so will I be fair and do the same for her opponents. TJ has a tendency to live for the YT drama. He has in the past done a few things that have garnered backlash. Course I don't follow TJ so, I'm just relating what I've heard on the grapevine (and in reactions by other YouTubers.)
Now I agree his reaction is one of frustration and I think even a little incredulity. For good reason. Hopefully his voice will help mitigate the collateral damage to this charity caused by Anita.

I just had a, oh sh*t moment.

In the video, TJ says that there was a wealthy donor who put up twenty-five thousand dollars to match what TJ had at the time. Bringing them at an even seventy-five thousand each. Do you think they are causing this "war for women" debacle just so they can help fund their own charities? If Anita raises more than TJ, TJ could say, "let's raise more for women" and thus adding to his monetary fun, and likely visa-versa.

Mackerni said:

I just had a, oh sh*t moment.

In the video, TJ says that there was a wealthy donor who put up twenty-five thousand dollars to match what TJ had at the time. Bringing them at an even seventy-five thousand each. Do you think they are causing this "war for women" debacle just so they can help fund their own charities? If Anita raises more than TJ, TJ could say, "let's raise more for women" and thus adding to his monetary fun, and likely visa-versa.

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Haha that's awesome!

Blasphemy!
You don't criticize The Sarkeesian 'round these parts.
NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!

Sarkeesian is a con-artist. That's all. She is not a traditional Feminist(Wonderful person) nor is she a Modern Day Feminist(Nazi), she just lies and makes money.

Not to mention she is a damsel in distress that cried to the United Nations in order to promote censorship.

Mandi said:

The International Women's Health Coalition that is.


She is hurting feminism and I wish more feminists would see that.

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After watching the video I could easily believe he did it to annoy her. He clearly believes she is wrong in what she is doing. He gave no reason for what he did, why he thought the organization is a good one or why he did it now. The whole video was how bad she is to feminism and that she picked on his poor network to advance herself.

Wow, 17 posts so far. I did not expect this thread to last so long.

bobhikes said:

After watching the video I could easily believe he did it to annoy her. He clearly believes she is wrong in what she is doing. He gave no reason for what he did, why he thought the organization is a good one or why he did it now. The whole video was how bad she is to feminism and that she picked on his poor network to advance herself.

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Why do people need a reason to give to charity? I mean do you not even chuck a dollar into a random collection tin every once in a while out of good natured compassion?
Besides TJ might be rather aggressive and kind of a dick. But he's not heartless.

I think he did all this merely to prove a point. He will do something to help women while femanazis will just ***** and moan. Also that Anita is a money grubbing heartless person who doesn't care about helping the cause and has very few scruples. She will trample literally anything to line her pockets. And even if he did this all to bait her into retaliation, at the end of the day he freaking gave to a charity. That's like complaining someone gave money to the homeless to tick you off. Even if it's true, it doesn't paint the complainer in a particularly good light.
Besides this is merely the latest in a year's long back and forth. Actually longer. So of course he will espouse his idea that she is wrong. That's kind of what he does.

bobhikes said:

After watching the video I could easily believe he did it to annoy her. He clearly believes she is wrong in what she is doing. He gave no reason for what he did, why he thought the organization is a good one or why he did it now. The whole video was how bad she is to feminism and that she picked on his poor network to advance herself.

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Maybe he did do it just to annoy her. It seems like something he would do.
But what does it say about her when a charity created to help poor women in another country can be considered a personal attack on her?

SomeRandom said:

Why do people need a reason to give to charity? I mean do you not even chuck a dollar into a random collection tin every once in a while out of good natured compassion?
Besides TJ might be rather aggressive and kind of a dick. But he's not heartless.

I think he did all this merely to prove a point. He will do something to help women while femanazis will just ***** and moan. Also that Anita is a money grubbing heartless person who doesn't care about helping the cause and has very few scruples. She will trample literally anything to line her pockets. And even if he did this all to bait her into retaliation, at the end of the day he freaking gave to a charity. That's like complaining someone gave money to the homeless to tick you off. Even if it's true, it doesn't paint the complainer in a particularly good light.
Besides this is merely the latest in a year's long back and forth. Actually longer. So of course he will espouse his idea that she is wrong. That's kind of what he does.

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I know neither of them. I was asked to give an opinion based on a short video and a short thread. I gave such an opinion, I don't care to research it further.