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What Are the Most Pressing Problems Facing Mystics?

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
The above I completely agree with. And yes the physical is real, but the psychological is illusion. As a mystic you are still functioning at the level where the psychological is real. "And a mystic is anyone who has a functional connection to the "Intuitive Mind" :) ." quote, "mystic 64", 2016. From there the answers/information received depends on how you form you questions. Different questions result in different answers. And one's personality programming that lies in the subconscious mind/the automated part of the mind can have a strong effect on how one forms those questions because the answer has to fit into the framework of one's personality programming (Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the prettest of them all?). Information that comes from somewhere or something that is beyond us is what makes us a mystic. If we are religious that information that comes from beyond us is called God. Or some other Divine name or in some cases some not so Divine name :) . There are Dark Mystics :) .


That brings us back to the question:
What Are the Most Pressing Problems Facing Mystics?
Discussion in 'Mysticism DIR' started by Sunstone, Tuesday at 9:52 AM.

And one of those most pressing problems is, "Understanding what one is playing with as a mystic and how to manipulate and control it." The Intuitive Mind is like a genie that can be let out of a bottle and mystics are folks that have let this genie out of the bottle (sometime without realizing or understanding what happened :) ) and from there they are playing with it. At least until it scares them half to death and they quit doing it :) . Because the Intuitive Mind can bite, after all it is like a genie. And dark mystics use it to bite others.

The mysticism DIR, only mystics are welcome. It is a safe place for mystics to hang out and discuss things. But dark mystics are mystics also :) . I love that part! And they can walk the walk and talk the talk because they are mystics and if they are gifted, a safe place becomes something else. A gifted dark mystic creates a psychological environment where nobdody really knows what is happening, all they know is that they no longer want to be here. Gifted Dark Mystics are also one of the most pressing problems facing the average mystic :) .
Alas, the so-called "dork", errr, ummm, "dark" mystic is, in reality, only biting at themselves.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
The above I completely agree with. And yes the physical is real, but the psychological is illusion. As a mystic you are still functioning at the level where the psychological is real. "And a mystic is anyone who has a functional connection to the "Intuitive Mind" :) ." quote, "mystic 64", 2016. From there the answers/information received depends on how you form you questions. Different questions result in different answers. And one's personality programming that lies in the subconscious mind/the automated part of the mind can have a strong effect on how one forms those questions because the answer has to fit into the framework of one's personality programming (Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the prettest of them all?). Information that comes from somewhere or something that is beyond us is what makes us a mystic. If we are religious that information that comes from beyond us is called God. Or some other Divine name or in some cases some not so Divine name :) . There are Dark Mystics :) .
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Well here are my intuitive credentials from a Jungian personality test from a while back: (is 100% preference for iNtuitive enough to qualify?)

It would be interesting to see how many self-identified mystics are Introverted iNtuitives.

The thread explaining Jung's system with a link to the test is in this thread:
http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/jung-what-does-your-myer-briggs-type-indicator-mean.160163/

INTJ
Introvert(78%) iNtuitive(100%) Thinking(38%) Judging(44%)

You have strong preference of Introversion over Extraversion (78%)
You have strong preference of Intuition over Sensing (100%)
You have moderate preference of Thinking over Feeling (38%)
You have moderate preference of Judging over Perceiving (44%)
 

mystic64

nolonger active

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
What in the world is a "dark mystic", and who came up that term? :) Do they make goat sacrifices or something? Seriously though, that's bizarre. I wonder if it has to do with what I've heard discussed in some degree of seriousness about what is termed the "Darth Vader Move", where someone on the path of illumination suddenly makes a left turn to the dark side of the force, taking their gifts and using them for destruction and harm. Very few ever actually have that happen. Many, many things would have to be broken along the way to collapse in that fashion. It's largely just a worry than an actual concern.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Well here are my intuitive credentials from a Jungian personality test from a while back: (is 100% preference for iNtuitive enough to qualify?)

It would be interesting to see how many self-identified mystics are Introverted iNtuitives.

The thread explaining Jung's system with a link to the test is in this thread:
http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/jung-what-does-your-myer-briggs-type-indicator-mean.160163/
I just did it.

INTJ
Introvert(6%) iNtuitive(38%) Thinking(12%) Judging(19%)
  • You have slight preference of Introversion over Extraversion (6%)
  • You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (38%)
  • You have slight preference of Thinking over Feeling (12%)
  • You have slight preference of Judging over Perceiving (19%)
I'm just so middle of the road... it hurts...

I used to go with my feelings all the time but life taught me that that is not always wise...
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I just did it.

INTJ
Introvert(6%) iNtuitive(38%) Thinking(12%) Judging(19%)
  • You have slight preference of Introversion over Extraversion (6%)
  • You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (38%)
  • You have slight preference of Thinking over Feeling (12%)
  • You have slight preference of Judging over Perceiving (19%)
Oh my. I'm an INTJ as well. Have known that for several years. They say the worlds greatest prophets were INTJ. "Thus saith the Lord!". :)
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Oh my. I'm an INTJ as well. Have known that for several years. They say the worlds greatest prophets were INTJ. "Thus saith the Lord!". :)
  • If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family Anatidae on our hands. - Douglas Adams
 

allfoak

Alchemist
Okay, serious question: What makes one a mystic?

It seems the identification with the word mystic is what makes one mystic.
The experiences that i have heard reported by mystics are no different than the experiences that have been reported by those from many different religions.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
  • If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family Anatidae on our hands. - Douglas Adams
It's funny actually, sometimes when I take the test I come out INFJ. It depends sometimes, on how I "feel" when I'm taking the test in how I answer the questions. Most of the time it's INTJ, but today it came out like this:

Introvert(56%) iNtuitive(50%) Feeling(28%) Judging(16%)
  • You have moderate preference of Introversion over Extraversion (56%)
  • You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (50%)
  • You have moderate preference of Feeling over Thinking (28%)
  • You have slight preference of Judging over Perceiving (16%)
 

mystic64

nolonger active
Boy is Whindwalker going to have fun with this one :) !

INFJ
Introvert(75%) iNtuitive(50%) Feeling(12%) Judging(88%)
  • You have distinct preference of Introversion over Extraversion (75%)
  • You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (50%)
  • You have slight preference of Feeling over Thinking (12%)
  • You have strong preference of Judging over Perceiving (88%)
The jig is up guys :) I have a strong preference for "Judging". But then I already knew that :) . And now if I take the test over again I will skew the results because I now know how the test works :) . I studied Jung in college and I did find him very interesting, more so than most of the rest of those guys. I liked Maslov also.
 

mystic64

nolonger active
What in the world is a "dark mystic", and who came up that term? :) Do they make goat sacrifices or something? Seriously though, that's bizarre. I wonder if it has to do with what I've heard discussed in some degree of seriousness about what is termed the "Darth Vader Move", where someone on the path of illumination suddenly makes a left turn to the dark side of the force, taking their gifts and using them for destruction and harm. Very few ever actually have that happen. Many, many things would have to be broken along the way to collapse in that fashion. It's largely just a worry than an actual concern.

I did sir :) ! I came up with it :) ! Know thy self :) . And I have been consistantly honest about it on this message board. Ask Crossfire, I explained that to her back in my "Introduce Yourself" topic, back before she was a moderator. It is a burden, but at least I am honest about it.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I did sir :) ! I came up with it :) ! Know thy self :) . And I have been consistantly honest about it on this message board. Ask Crossfire, I explained that to her back in my "Introduce Yourself" topic, back before she was a moderator. It is a burden, but at least I am honest about it.
In all seriousness, mystic64, it is my opinion that only those who have just got their feet wet would be inclined to use their new found "ability" to cause destruction and harm. Once you have hopped and skipped a fairly short way down the rabbit hole of reality, one realizes that it isn't a very good idea to consciously seek destruction and to harm others. It's a fairly newbie thingy.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
Boy is Whindwalker going to have fun with this one :) !

INFJ
Introvert(75%) iNtuitive(50%) Feeling(12%) Judging(88%)
  • You have distinct preference of Introversion over Extraversion (75%)
  • You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (50%)
  • You have slight preference of Feeling over Thinking (12%)
  • You have strong preference of Judging over Perceiving (88%)
The jig is up guys :) I have a strong preference for "Judging". But then I already knew that :) . And now if I take the test over again I will skew the results because I now know how the test works :) . I studied Jung in college and I did find him very interesting, more so than most of the rest of those guys. I liked Maslov also.
The Judging or Perceiving letter indicates which of the cognitive functions are extravertedly expressed. The Judging functions are Thinking and Feeling, whereas the Perceiving functions are Sensing and iNtuition. Your strong preference for Judging means that you have a strong preference to express your Feeling externally, and direct your iNtuition internally.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
The Judging or Perceiving letter indicates which of the cognitive functions are extravertedly expressed. The Judging functions are Thinking and Feeling, whereas the Perceiving functions are Sensing and iNtuition. Your strong preference for Judging means that you have a strong preference to express your Feeling externally, and direct your iNtuition internally.
How would you interpret my namby pamby results?
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
How would you interpret my namby pamby results?
Alrighty.
I just did it.

INTJ
Introvert(6%) iNtuitive(38%) Thinking(12%) Judging(19%)
  • You have slight preference of Introversion over Extraversion (6%)
  • You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (38%)
  • You have slight preference of Thinking over Feeling (12%)
  • You have slight preference of Judging over Perceiving (19%)
I'm just so middle of the road... it hurts...

I used to go with my feelings all the time but life taught me that that is not always wise...
Slight preference for inwardly directed iNtuition. This is your Superior Function.
Slight preference towards externally directed Thinking. This is your Auxiliary Function.
Slight preference towards internally directed Feeling. This is your Tertiary Function.
Slight preference towards externally directed Sensing. This is your Inferior or Shadow Function.

All in all, I would say that while you try to keep Sensory function directed outwardly (which is a good thing, because it is difficult to perceive the world with your head shoved up your bum) you tend towards giving free rein towards your other functions--you tend to treat the interior world like the exterior world when it comes to your other cognitive functions. They have their home bases, but they are rather free to range outside of their home territory.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
Well, so far we have a size sample of 4 mystics who are Introverted iNtuitives, and 0 who are otherwise. :p
We can move the personality posts to the Jungian thread if they are disrupting this one.
 

mystic64

nolonger active
The Judging or Perceiving letter indicates which of the cognitive functions are extravertedly expressed. The Judging functions are Thinking and Feeling, whereas the Perceiving functions are Sensing and iNtuition. Your strong preference for Judging means that you have a strong preference to express your Feeling externally, and direct your iNtuition internally.

Thank you Crossfire :) ! And as you have explained things I can see that in my personallity programming. But I am also quick to judge and I either like somebody or I don't. And that judgement is based on an empathic connection to the person (Feeling?). I liked you from day one, you were so full of mischief and you have a good heart. "a strong preference to express your Feeling externally, and direct your iNtuition internally." I completely agree with that! I can see why you find this test intriguing, if one understands what it is saying it is very helpful to understanding the drifts/inclination caused actions in one's personality programming. I took the test because I trust you and my trust was well placed :) . If anybody else had suggested the test I would not have taken it.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
Thank you Crossfire :) ! And as you have explained things I can see that in my personallity programming. But I am also quick to judge and I either like somebody or I don't. And that judgement is based on an empathic connection to the person (Feeling?). I liked you from day one, you were so full of mischief and you have a good heart. "a strong preference to express your Feeling externally, and direct your iNtuition internally." I completely agree with that! I can see why you find this test intriguing, if one understands what it is saying it is very helpful to understanding the drifts/inclination caused actions in one's personality programming. I took the test because I trust you and my trust was well placed :) . If anybody else had suggested the test I would not have taken it.
Thank you. :)
 
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