Why I've begun to fear Trump

esmith said:

Well I guess I will answer your questions; However there are times that I wonder why you fail to acknowledged a reply that include facts that disprove one of your statements.

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Can you post where I did that? Sometimes I have seen you respond but didn't quote me, thus it doesn't show up under "alert".

So, the answer to the above question is would I still vote for Trump if he made racist comments about my race or religiously bigoted statements against my religion and threatened to punch me. It all depends on what he said. If a remark was a personal remark to me probably not. If he threatened to punch me? Well it depends. Did I do anything to warrant the assault, if the answer was yes then it is my fault for starting something. If I didn't attack him I seriously doubt he would attack me. So, it all comes down to the circumstances. So, to answer your question is impossible since it would have to be specific actions for me to make a decision to vote for him or not. Let's just say I would vote for him vice the Hillary or Bernie if that was my only choice.

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I would never vote for someone who who repeatedly stated bigoted or racist things because anyone who does either simply I cannot trust in any way. Dishonesty and hate speech are good reasons for me to avoid certain people, let alone vote for them, whether it was aimed at me or at someone else. You obviously don't care-- as long as it's not aimed at you, and that was my point.

Nowhere Man said:

That's the banter lately. I know of no one, at least far as I know, where Trump actually hurt someone as a result of the accusations brought about toward him. I'm not saying he is or isn't the type of person that favors one type of group over another. I don't know the man or how he acts behind closed doors. Orginally, I was going with Ben Carson until he backed out. He consequently backed Trump which was a key motivatior with me in supporting him with my vote.

Carson obviously and clearly is a black man and I just can't picture Ben Carson backing a hatemonger if the allegations are actually true enough to warrant Trump as being hostile towards groups of people for nothing other than their physical religious, and cultural characteristics alone.

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You've got to be kidding. How many times has Trump saying that he'd like to have violence used against someone, even saying that he'd like to punch someone in the face? With previous candidates, pretty much all of them would condemn any use of violence against protesters-- until Trump. He even said he would pay their legal fees if arrested, such as he said again yesterday. Why would anyone even consider voting for anyone who makes such statements?

averageJOE said:

I fear a Trump presidency because his campaign alone is creating a violent racial, ethical, political and religious divide in this country. And that would only get worse if elected.

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What do you think Trump will do?

metis said:

Can you post where I did that? Sometimes I have seen you respond but didn't quote me, thus it doesn't show up under "alert".

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It was on one of the continuing discussions on firearms. I can't remember exactly but I referenced federal regulations on purchasing firearms which negated one of your arguments. There are so many of those discussions it would be next to impossible to find. I just remember posting and you never responding......to the best of my knowledge.

metis said:

I would never vote for someone who who repeatedly stated bigoted or racist things because anyone who does either simply I cannot trust in any way. Dishonesty and hate speech are good reasons for me to avoid certain people, let alone vote for them, whether it was aimed at me or at someone else. You obviously don't care-- as long as it's not aimed at you, and that was my point.

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Basically yes. Many people do things that I wouldn't do or say and I will not hold that against someone if they are pointing that out. In addition there are those that bring discredit against a entity, like the police for instance, that does not reflect on all LEO, yet it seems that there are those that do so. So at the present time I see Trump as the only possible candidate "at this time" (the past and future is not in play). There are three possible outcomes to the Republican primary. Trump wins, Cruz wins, or the RNC plays dirty. If either Trump or Cruz wins they get my vote. If the RNC pulls a fast one and does not give the nomination to the person with the "most" delegates then as far as I'm concerned the Republican National party is no longer my party.

esmith said:

It was on one of the continuing discussions on firearms. I can't remember exactly but I referenced federal regulations on purchasing firearms which negated one of your arguments. There are so many of those discussions it would be next to impossible to find. I just remember posting and you never responding......to the best of my knowledge.

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It's possible I may not have seen it or just chose to drop the subject-- I don't know.

Basically yes. Many people do things that I wouldn't do or say and I will not hold that against someone if they are pointing that out. In addition there are those that bring discredit against a entity, like the police for instance, that does not reflect on all LEO, yet it seems that there are those that do so. So at the present time I see Trump as the only possible candidate "at this time" (the past and future is not in play). There are three possible outcomes to the Republican primary. Trump wins, Cruz wins, or the RNC plays dirty. If either Trump or Cruz wins they get my vote. If the RNC pulls a fast one and does not give the nomination to the person with the "most" delegates then as far as I'm concerned the Republican National party is no longer my party.

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As I just mentioned on another thread, I don't vote for racists, religious bigots, or those that act like thugs or condone such behavior. I was sponsored and studied the Holocaust here in the States, in Poland, and in Israel, and I well know what these actions can potentially lead to, and I'm not of the belief that it can't happen here.

metis said:

It's possible I may not have seen it or just chose to drop the subject-- I don't know.


As I just mentioned on another thread, I don't vote for racists, religious bigots, or those that act like thugs or condone such behavior. I was sponsored and studied the Holocaust here in the States, in Poland, and in Israel, and I well know what these actions can potentially lead to, and I'm not of the belief that it can't happen here.

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Unfortunately in some aspects it has started here.already You hear and read about groups that will not allow someone to speak because they disagree with what they have to say and I'm not just referencing the present political campaigns.

esmith said:

Unfortunately in some aspects it has started here.already You hear and read about groups that will not allow someone to speak because they disagree with what they have to say and I'm not just referencing the present political campaigns.

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This has been going on for a very long time now and I have problems with this no matter who does it. I may have problems with what someone may say, but they have the right to speak their mind nevertheless.

esmith said:

Done. Reference: http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-i-have-always-distrusted-the-clintons.185540/

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Lol. You really think a cite to a site called "why I have always distrusted the clintons" is valid? Can you even try to come up with any kind of an unbiased source.

leibowde84 said:

Lol. You really think a cite to a site called "why I have always distrusted the clintons" is valid? Can you even try to come up with any kind of an unbiased source.

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suggest you post to that thread since it was recommend it be addressed there.

esmith said:

suggest you post to that thread since it was recommend it be addressed there.

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Ok.

Saint Frankenstein said:

If Sanders doesn't get the nom, I'm voting Green.

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I will take any of them over Trump. [edit] If that means Clinton, then Clinton it will be. [/edit]

viole said:

Every democracy deserves the leaders they chose.

Ciao

- viole

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And that's why we're scared.

Adramelek said:

Trump strikes me as someone who can be diplomatic

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Name one time when he's ever been that.

esmith said:

I guess will have to wait for him to be sworn into office to find out now won't we?

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That's just the thing, I don't know why you trust him. He's gone back and forth so much in his politics over the years you don't know what he's going to do. I do hope though for the sake of my country that he is just telling republicans what they want to hear and that he does have a soul. It's hard to tell what he's about which should make you squirm when you check his name in the ballot box.

Right now I don't fear Trump (he's not going to become president) so much as what the huge number of his supporters tells me about the USA. It's easy to forget just how alien the US is to us Europeans; we meet expats and visitors who seem just like us, and we forget the millions in the flyover who seem no more than barbarians by our standards. A man like Trump looks like the sort of politician one would find in Serbia or Russia.

I don't know if any of you caught it, but yesterday both morning shows on NBC and ABC interviewed Trump whereas a question was asked about a take on an anti-Trump commercial that dealt with his comments about women. In the first interview (ABC) he tried to defend his position saying in effect that it was just a smear-job and that he loves women, but in the second interview (NBC), which was just several minutes later, he claimed he never saw the commercial.

So, not only is he "truth-challenged", he obviously is not too terribly strategic even with his lies.

Skwim said:

For quite awhile now I've been championing Trump's rise in the Republican conventions because if voted in as the Republican nominee it would ensure Clinton's move to the Oval Office.

However, after watching the altercations at the N. C. Trump Rally I realized that Trump has been tapping into a hitherto-for silent chunk of the America population---a good 40-50% of the eligible voters who've never seen a voting machine before. Red neck, knee-jerk, high school dropouts who can't tell one end of a pencil from the other, but absolutely love Trump's take-no- prisoners approach to running the government. Never mind that he's an inept buffoon who believes lying is a legitimate part of doing business, as long as he talks tough and plays to their fears he's their long awaited political messiah.

The one ray of hope is that Hillary's best chance may come from disaffected Republicans who jump ship rather than go down with it.

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After 8 years of boredom, the USA should have a president again with which they can live their lives. The last years were only rationalizing policies, no big decisions were made. 8 years ago the Americans chose a clown as president, to divert attention away from the fact that the USA mostly caused the global recession what with the mortgage fiasco. Then 4 years later they chose the clown again, which was really only some kind of courtesy because 1-term presidents are said to be loser presidents.

It is very clear that Republicans pay much attention to emotion, while Democrats might as well be running for the presidency of Sweden. Both Cruz and Trump are outstanding candidates in my opinion, which makes me very jealous not to have such kind of politicians in my own country the Netherlands. You can't find these sorts of politicians anywhere in the world except in the USA. One can pull open a can of Clinton's or Sanders like politicians in any country in Europe.

I would have to say Trump is the better one, because he will be better to deal with the viciousness of some parts of the American population. The viciousness, mostly shown on the internet, coming from a certain part of the population is the new political reality that politicians have to deal with. Screechers who try to manipulate the political process through viciousness. Cruz is a more classy guy than Trump, however in my estimation he will not be able to deal with this new visciousness.