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In Support of the Bible, pt.4: "Existence & Reign of Joseph."

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Hey, all! Greetings and Sautations!

With all the dispute regarding the Bible's authenticity, I though I'd post some evidences in favor of it being accurate. I don't agree with everything this website says, but I appreciate their honest endeavor to generate interest in reading and having an open mind about the Bible.

Hope you enjoy!


From http://www.2001translation.com/Authenticity.htm#_4


"The Existence and Reign of Joseph
Was there a man named Joseph who ruled Egypt under one of its Pharaoh's during the lifetime of his father Jacob and his eleven brothers? There is a famous waterway (which still exists today) that was created in Egypt around the period that the Bible shows he lived (the 12th Egyptian Dynasty, 1991-BCE to 1802-BCE) called Bahr Yussef, or Canal of Joseph. This is particularly interesting, because Joseph (Yussef) is a Hebrew name that likely hadn't even come into existence prior to the birth of Jacob's 11th son. Why do we say that? Because, Jacob's most-loved wife RachEl gave her son that name, which means in Hebrew, 'Jehovah (the Hebrew God) will Expand,' because she hoped that God would give her more sons. So you have to ask: Why would Egyptians have chosen a Hebrew name (which included the Name of the Hebrew God) for this waterway, other than because it was the name of its creator, a Hebrew man named Joseph (Yussef)?

Yes, Yussef (or Yusef) is in fact a common Egyptian name today, because the modern religion of Islam recognizes Joseph as having been a great prophet. However, it couldn't have been a name in the ancient Egyptian language, since the Egyptians worshiped other gods. And according to tradition, Bahr Yussef was for a fact built by 'the Prophet Yusef' to link 'the main branch of the River Nile to provide water permanently to the Lake Qarun, to avert famines.'

Note that according to our calculations, Joseph died around the year 1847-BCE (at 147 years old); so he lived during the reigns of Pharaohs AmenemHat 1, SenusRet I, AmenemHat II, and SenusRet II. Although some modern scholars say that Joseph lived at a much later date (during the reign of Thutmosis III, 1479-1425 BCE); look at what was said about SenusRet II in the link, 'Famous Pharaohs' (apparently, a poor English translation): 'King Senusret II (1897 BC-1878BC) or Senwosret II or Sesostris II was the fourth Pharaoh of the Dynasty 12. He was the first Pharaoh who [br]ought in drainage canal in Faiyum between bahr Yusuf and Lake Moeris. The purpose of Senusret II's project was to increase the amount of cultivable land here.'

So as you can see, the Canal of Joseph was already in existence well before 1878-BCE, which proves that our calculations for the dates of the life of Joseph (which many would like to argue, since this changes the dates they give for the Downpour of Noah's day and the creation on Adam) are at least very close to being correct.

You can find a photo of a statuary that has been found, which depicts an ancient Egyptian official who by his dress can be identified as of Semitic descent and who is thought to be Joseph, at the site, http://individual.utoronto.ca/mfkolarcik/jesuit/Josephjpg.jpg. Unfortunately, however, its location and finding is not properly identified or described there.

So yes; Abraham's great grandson is also quite well documented in history."
 
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buddhist

Well-Known Member
Wow, a river named "Canal of Joseph" today, and an obscure statue which may (or may not) look Semitic ... apparently proves Joseph of the Bible and the whole Bible story! :confused:
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Wow, a river named "Canal of Joseph" today, and an obscure statue which may (or may not) look Semitic ... apparently proves Joseph of the Bible and the whole Bible story! :confused:
No, you apparently overlooked this:
"....according to tradition, Bahr Yussef was for a fact built by 'the Prophet Yusef' to link 'the main branch of the River Nile to provide water permanently to the Lake Qarun, to avert famines."
And:
"...the Canal of Joseph was already in existence well before 1878-BCE,"

So it's not a "new" name.
And I said these were evidences, not proof.
 

buddhist

Well-Known Member
No, you apparently overlooked this:
"....according to tradition, Bahr Yussef was for a fact built by 'the Prophet Yusef' to link 'the main branch of the River Nile to provide water permanently to the Lake Qarun, to avert famines."
And:
"...the Canal of Joseph was already in existence well before 1878-BCE,"

So it's not a "new" name.
And I said these were evidences, not proof.
"Tradition" does not equal "fact". Since I can't travel back in time, I don't personally know for myself that the river was called that before I came into existence ... do you? ;)
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
"Tradition" does not equal "fact". Since I can't travel back in time, I don't personally know for myself that the river was called that before I came into existence ... do you? ;)
Do you apply that same standard to evolution?
 

greentwiga

Active Member
Hey, all! Greetings and Sautations!

With all the dispute regarding the Bible's authenticity, I though I'd post some evidences in favor of it being accurate. I don't agree with everything this website says, but I appreciate their honest endeavor to generate interest in reading and having an open mind about the Bible.

Hope you enjoy!


From http://www.2001translation.com/Authenticity.htm#_4


"The Existence and Reign of Joseph
Was there a man named Joseph who ruled Egypt under one of its Pharaoh's during the lifetime of his father Jacob and his eleven brothers? There is a famous waterway (which still exists today) that was created in Egypt around the period that the Bible shows he lived (the 12th Egyptian Dynasty, 1991-BCE to 1802-BCE) called Bahr Yussef, or Canal of Joseph. This is particularly interesting, because Joseph (Yussef) is a Hebrew name that likely hadn't even come into existence prior to the birth of Jacob's 11th son. Why do we say that? Because, Jacob's most-loved wife RachEl gave her son that name, which means in Hebrew, 'Jehovah (the Hebrew God) will Expand,' because she hoped that God would give her more sons. So you have to ask: Why would Egyptians have chosen a Hebrew name (which included the Name of the Hebrew God) for this waterway, other than because it was the name of its creator, a Hebrew man named Joseph (Yussef)?

Yes, Yussef (or Yusef) is in fact a common Egyptian name today, because the modern religion of Islam recognizes Joseph as having been a great prophet. However, it couldn't have been a name in the ancient Egyptian language, since the Egyptians worshiped other gods. And according to tradition, Bahr Yussef was for a fact built by 'the Prophet Yusef' to link 'the main branch of the River Nile to provide water permanently to the Lake Qarun, to avert famines.'

Note that according to our calculations, Joseph died around the year 1847-BCE (at 147 years old); so he lived during the reigns of Pharaohs AmenemHat 1, SenusRet I, AmenemHat II, and SenusRet II. Although some modern scholars say that Joseph lived at a much later date (during the reign of Thutmosis III, 1479-1425 BCE); look at what was said about SenusRet II in the link, 'Famous Pharaohs' (apparently, a poor English translation): 'King Senusret II (1897 BC-1878BC) or Senwosret II or Sesostris II was the fourth Pharaoh of the Dynasty 12. He was the first Pharaoh who [br]ought in drainage canal in Faiyum between bahr Yusuf and Lake Moeris. The purpose of Senusret II's project was to increase the amount of cultivable land here.'

So as you can see, the Canal of Joseph was already in existence well before 1878-BCE, which proves that our calculations for the dates of the life of Joseph (which many would like to argue, since this changes the dates they give for the Downpour of Noah's day and the creation on Adam) are at least very close to being correct.

You can find a photo of a statuary that has been found, which depicts an ancient Egyptian official who by his dress can be identified as of Semitic descent and who is thought to be Joseph, at the site, http://individual.utoronto.ca/mfkolarcik/jesuit/Josephjpg.jpg. Unfortunately, however, its location and finding is not properly identified or described there.

So yes; Abraham's great grandson is also quite well documented in history."
If you follow the Septuagint's timeline, which fits better with other times stated in the Bible, the Exodus was about 1410 BC, and the Entrance into Jerusalem was about 1625 BC. This puts the Entrance three years after Santorini erupted, the third year of famine. It also puts Joseph at exactly the time of obscure "Pharaohs" that had names like Jacob is my lord (or father). These Pharaohs are thought to be secondary rulers to the main rulers. Since Pharaohs had several names, for Joseph to use one that acknowledged his father is possible. Some of your other stuff is difficult to date. For example, when a new ruler reworked something made by a previous ruler, he often renamed it as if he made it originally. Thus Your canal could have been made centuries before, but renamed in a much later reworking. Further, later people would mentioned the canal by the current name, even if they knew that the original Pharaoh didn't use that name, They want the reader to understand the right canal.
 
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