*[I believe] Atheism is an absurd worldview

Blastcat · Mar 9, 2016

Gambit said:
*[I believe]The atheistic worldview is an absurd one. Why? Because *[I believe] the atheist views the world as ultimately meaningless and therefore as absurd.

*[bracketed red text = staff edit]

Some people mistakenly think that what they BELIEVE is always real.

Blastcat · Mar 9, 2016

ADigitalArtist said:
ab·surd
əbˈsərd,əbˈzərd/
adjective

(of an idea or suggestion) wildly unreasonable, illogical, or inappropriate.
"the allegations are patently absurd"
synonyms: preposterous, ridiculous, ludicrous, farcical, laughable, risible, idiotic, stupid, foolish, silly, inane, imbecilic, insane, harebrained, cockamamie;

As an atheist I do not believe the world or universe is any of those things.

Nice eye.
I agree with you.

Some people think that whatever they happen to believe is true.

Blastcat · Mar 9, 2016

ADigitalArtist said:
Meaningless isn't a synonym for absurd. I also don't think the world is meaningless. But is a very logical and beautiful thing to behold, worthy of discovery and understanding. I just don't think there is a deity providing meaning.

I think it's the norm that religious people get their "meaning" from outside of themselves. They project their own values onto some anthropomorphic image that they then revere. I believe that this represents a more naive experience of reality.

Blastcat · Mar 9, 2016

Mestemia said:
What myths have I created?

Maybe he means "metaphor"... we look at a painting and then describe the experience in metaphors... if we tell a STORY about the painting.. as many people do ( as I do in art museums ), that's creating a myth.

You may not ever invent a story about an experience. I think you probably have the capacity for that. Most do.

Blastcat · Mar 9, 2016

Thana said:
Um neither, since morality is as made up as the meaning you give it.

I think it would be more proper to say both.
We have our own set of moral principles, and then we live in societies, so we have to attend to the objective laws, too.
Crime and punishment go hand and hand when we live with others.

To deny that there are moral laws is to court punishment.

ArtieE · Mar 9, 2016

savagewind said:
God exists with people or without people. See Genesis. OK?

Genesis wouldn't exist without people.

Some gods have to be physical because they handle physical things. God is Spirit. So God is different than other imagined things.

People imagined that God is Spirit.

savagewind · Mar 9, 2016

ArtieE said:
Genesis wouldn't exist without people.

The story would not exist without people, right.

People imagined that God is Spirit.

I have experienced spirit many times. It exists. That it exists means to me that God is possible.

skl · Mar 9, 2016

savagewind said:
You believe something with no proof. You say no one has "substantial evidence" but I do, and I trust others who say they do too.
Then I hear the challenge to give you my proof. That is like asking a person who has seen a movie to play it for you. It is not possible.

Sorry but no comparison can be made because I can at least find the movie that was seen and see that it exists, it is real, I can see it....unlike an imagined object, person or god. When your mind has a strong emotional control on certain facets of your thinking and you join people of the same situation it becomes a mass delusion similar to a hard-line political belief. This usually only becomes a problem when families are negatively affected or violence and crimes are committed in the name of the ideology they embrace.

savagewind · Mar 9, 2016

skl said:
Sorry but no comparison can be made because I can at least find the movie that was seen and see that it exists, it is real, I can see it....unlike an imagined object, person or god. When your mind has a strong emotional control on certain facets of your thinking and you join people of the same situation it becomes a mass delusion similar to a hard-line political belief. This usually only becomes a problem when families are negatively affected or violence and crimes are committed in the name of the ideology they embrace.

If you would be willing you CAN find it and see for yourself.
Sometimes a person is willing but before he finds it he stops searching.
Psalms 22:26

Blastcat · Mar 9, 2016

savagewind said:
The story would not exist without people, right.
I have experienced spirit many times. It exists. That it exists means to me that God is possible.

Correction:

You BELIEVE that you have experienced "spirit" many times.

Blastcat · Mar 9, 2016

savagewind said:
If you would be willing you CAN find it and see for yourself.
Sometimes a person is willing but before he finds it he stops searching.
Psalms 22:26

I used to be perfectly willing.. never happened. So..your hypothesis fails.

savagewind · Mar 9, 2016

Blastcat said:
Correction:

You BELIEVE that you have experienced "spirit" many times.

No. I doubt it every time it happens. Do you think I wouldn't love to be normal?

savagewind · Mar 9, 2016

Blastcat said:
I used to be perfectly willing.. never happened. So..your hypothesis fails.

What? Please listen to yourself. It never happened because you quit.

Desert Snake · Mar 9, 2016

savagewind said:
No. I doubt it every time it happens. Do you think I wouldn't love to be normal?

How are you defining 'normal'? Most people aren't atheists.

savagewind · Mar 9, 2016

q konn said:
How are you defining 'normal'? Most people aren't atheists.

Most people consider Earth's affairs or do not consider anything. My mind isn't on the Earth. To be considering what is happening out of this Earth is abnormal.

Why are you yelling in blood colored letters?

Desert Snake · Mar 9, 2016

savagewind said:
Most people consider Earth's affairs or do not consider anything. My mind isn't on the Earth. To be considering what is happening out of this Earth is abnormal.

Religion considers such things. Most people aren't atheists.

savagewind · Mar 9, 2016

No, according to what I think I know religion does not consider such things. Religion causes discord. Heaven is for peace and everlasting life.

Are you yelling at me?

Religion STOPS the search for God. Doesn't it? I can explain why I think Religion stops the search but this is not the right thread for it.

Desert Snake · Mar 9, 2016

savagewind said:
No, according to what I think I know religion does not consider such things. Religion causes discord. Heaven is for peace and everlasting life.

This is semantics, and not necessarily even true. The religions generally deal with non-atheistic ideas.

Are you yelling at me?

No.

Religion STOPS the search for God. Doesn't it? I can explain why I think Religion stops the search but this is not the right thread for it.

That is not really what I was referring to. Religion is a very broad definition, it's used for religious beliefs, not merely doctrine , so forth.

savagewind · Mar 9, 2016

q konn said:
This is semantics, and not necessarily even true. The religions generally deal with non-atheistic ideas.

No.

That is not really what I was referring to. Religion is a very broad definition, it's used for religious beliefs, not merely doctrine , so forth.

Good discussion but, like I said, it isn't the thread for it.

Willamena · Mar 9, 2016

q konn said:
This is semantics, and not necessarily even true. The religions generally deal with non-atheistic ideas.

According to some, atheism is nothing more than lacking belief in god. So by that measure there either is no atheistic idea, or only the one.

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