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John the Baptist was the groom at the wedding in Cana

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
The spirit of Ama uses the physical body of Maria Liwayway Alvaran or Ka Apaz as platform or "talaytayan" to talk to people. To "channel" is to convey communication through a "channel" the dead person's or the spirit of a dead person to a living person and vice versa. I did not notice that with Ka Apaz. What happens is that the spirit of Ka Apaz leaves her physical body and is taken over by the spirit of Ama. I call this as "lakip" and not "sanib". There is a hissing sound as this happens. The same thing happens when Ama leaves His platform and Ka Apaz returns to her physical body.

That is "channeling." And that is exactly why we have said it is "channeled" baloney.

This kind of perpetrated farce has been going on for thousands of years.

Here is International Skeptics page - which mentions PeaceCrusader. Very interesting.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275866

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outhouse

Atheistically
Why is it that the wedding in Cana in the Gospel of John only?

Part of that communities theology and mythology.

The book was written in three different parts, by different communities. Finished into the second century.

This may be allegory and a metaphor to parallel moses turning the river red
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Isn't the family members who were at the foot of the cross of Jesus? How is Jesus related to Mary? To the disciple that He loved?

You have to reword this so I know what you are actually asking.

It says several women including Mary Magdalene were at the crucifixion, and also associates.

We know from the texts that Mary M. is not a family member.

Mary is his mother.

Mary M. is possibly his mate, and/or the disciple he loved.

We don't know.

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psychoslice

Veteran Member
I believe the wedding story was a metaphor, its simply when we become One with God, we are made new, as the new wine, its the marriage of our inner Christ with the father, or the Source.
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
I believe the wedding story was a metaphor, its simply when we become One with God, we are made new, as the new wine, its the marriage of our inner Christ with the father, or the Source.

Yep, that is the last one I suggested.

That the name of the Beloved is purposely left out so that we can place ourselves in the story - as the Beloved.

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psychoslice

Veteran Member
Yep, that is the last one I suggested.

That the name of the Beloved is purposely left out so that we can place ourselves in the story - as the Beloved.

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And yet so many cannot see this, they keep shoving Jesus up onto a pedestal and completely missing out on the whole story, and they even have the nerve to call us sinner for thinking that way. I believe this thinking is the so called anti-Christ, those who put the Christ as a idol, and make it that only Jesus can ever be the Christ, and completely miss out on themselves becoming the Christ, or Christ Consciousness.
 

roger1440

I do stuff
According to the spirit of Ama, John the Baptist was the groom at the wedding in Cana of Galilee (John 2:1-12). He also said that John the Baptist was John the Evangelist and was the disciple that Jesus loved.

I believe Him for we (plural), most if not all, who listen to Him and talk to Him, believe that He is the spirit of Jesus Christ Himself.
The story isn't about who is the groom, the story is about who isn't the groom.
 

peacecrusader888

Active Member
That is "channeling." And that is exactly why we have said it is "channeled" baloney.

This kind of perpetrated farce has been going on for thousands of years.

Here is International Skeptics page - which mentions PeaceCrusader. Very interesting.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275866

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What is happening to Ka Apaz is not the usual form of "channeling". In the usual form of "channeling", the spirit of the person is still in his/her physical body. For Ka Apaz, her spirit leaves her physical body and the spirit of Ama takes over. There is a hissing sound when this takes place.

So it is not http://www.randi.com/ anymore. It is now called International Skeptics. Thanks for the info. I have not been there maybe since 2013.
 
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Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
What is happening to Ka Apaz is not the usual form of "channeling". In the usual form of "channeing", the spirit of the person is still in his/her physical body. For Ka Apaz, her spirit leaves her physical body and the spirit of Ama takes over. There is a hissing sound when this takes place.

So it is not http://www.randi.com/ anymore. It is now called International Skeptics. Thanks for the info. I have not been there maybe since 2013.

The point there was that other logical people also found channeling of spirits to be bogus.

Channeling - The act or practice of serving as a medium through which a spirit guide purportedly communicates with living persons.

Doesn't matter that there is a claim of leaving the body to the spirit. Same thing.

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peacecrusader888

Active Member
You have to reword this so I know what you are actually asking.

It says several women including Mary Magdalene were at the crucifixion, and also associates.

We know from the texts that Mary M. is not a family member.

Mary is his mother.

Mary M. is possibly his mate, and/or the disciple he loved.

We don't know.

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You don't know? Why? If it is just human beings that you will rely upon, you may end us in pure speculation. How about if it is a spirit who will tell you these? A spirit lives forever, especially that of Jesus.

Why did you not mention about Mary Magdalene in Matthew 27:56 and Mark 15:40? Luke 23:49 did not state the names of the women that followed Him from Galilee.
 

peacecrusader888

Active Member
The point there was that other logical people also found channeling of spirits to be bogus.

Channeling - The act or practice of serving as a medium through which a spirit guide purportedly communicates with living persons.

Doesn't matter that there is a claim of leaving the body to the spirit. Same thing.

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No, "sanib" and "lakip" are different things. You must understand that there is the physical body, spirit, and soul. The spirit has life. So in "sanib", the spirit of the person remains in the body. In "lakip", the spirit leaves the body; and this is what happens to Ka Apaz.
 

peacecrusader888

Active Member
According to the spirit of Ama, John the Baptist was the disciple that Jesus loved. He was also John the Evangelist. And the groom at the wedding in Cana in Galilee.

The disciple that Jesus loved was not the Apostle John, who was the brother of James, and sons of Zebedee.

Jesus took the apostles Peter, James, and John on a high mountain. They were present in the transfiguration: Matthew 17:1-13, Mark 9:2-13, and Luke 9:28-36.

Matthew 17:1 said: "Peter, James, and John his brother".
Mark 9:2 said: "Peter, and James, and John".
Luke 9:28 said: "Peter and John and James".
So it was the brothers James and John who were with Peter and Jesus at the transfiguration.

In 2 Peters 1:16-18, it states:
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

If the apostle John, the brother of James, was the evangelist, he would have written this down in his Gospel. But it was not because the apostle John was not John the Evangelist and the disciple that Jesus loved.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
According to the spirit of Ama,

YOUR ama is not credible for anything historical. Your making claims of faith and nothing more.


John the Baptist was the disciple that Jesus loved. He was also John the Evangelist. And the groom at the wedding in Cana in Galilee

John the Baptist was not a disciple :rolleyes:

He was not john the E :rolleyes:

He was not a groom in Cana :rolleyes:



YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY OR CREDIBILITY to change anything biblical or historical.
 

peacecrusader888

Active Member
YOUR ama is not credible for anything historical. Your making claims of faith and nothing more.




John the Baptist was not a disciple :rolleyes:

He was not john the E :rolleyes:

He was not a groom in Cana :rolleyes:



YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY OR CREDIBILITY to change anything biblical or historical.
Then tell me who the disciple that Jesus loved (John 19:26).
 
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